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Old 03-11-2005, 23:44   #1 (permalink)
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Re: 98 Contour Chokes when Accellerating

Contour/Mystique have a recall for bad cat converter (free).
I just got $2500 free parts and labour for a 95 Mystique V6 Duratec
complete exhaust manifold and cat, and tubes back to muffler.


"RunBoris" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote in
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> 1998 Ford Contour SE, 2.0L 4-Cylinder DOHC
>
> Ok, here's a quick run-down of the past 2 weeks or so:
>
> Problem 1) Check Engine Light: Bad O2 Sensor
> Symptons) Slightly jerky driving
> Solution) Replaced both O2 sensors
> Problem Fixed!
>
> Problem 2) Check Engine Light: Misfire Cylinders 3 & 4
> Symptons) REALLY jerky driving
> Solution) Replaced all 4 spark plugs AND wires
> Problem Fixed! Runs better than ever!
>
> 3-4 days later...
> Problem 3) Check Engine Light: Ignition System Malfunction or Misfire
> Symtpons) When accelerating from a complete stop, RPMs drop to almost
> nil, sometimes (becoming more frequent) stalling out. Also, on the
> interstate when I hit around 75ish, I begin slowing down. If I try to
> punch the gas, it drops in RPMs, then when I let up a little, it
> downshifts and accellerates. Also, when giving it gas, it has a much
> louder/deeper roar/moan than it used to.
> And since I'm not very car-litterate, I'm gonna try hard to describe
> this next symptom... When I start my car, it seems like the engine is
> about 1/2 second off from everything else. I can here the starter
> finish it's thing, but don't actually here the engine immediately.
> The guy at auto zone said the engine code was a generic manufacturer
> code that could mean anything. He suggested something about my
> ignition coil and come ind of controller something-or-other.
>
> Any clues? Thanks!
>
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Old 03-11-2005, 23:45   #2 (permalink)
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"Snowman" wrote:
> Contour/Mystique have a recall for bad cat converter (free).
> I just got $2500 free parts and labour for a 95 Mystique V6
> Duratec
> complete exhaust manifold and cat, and tubes back to muffler.
>
>
> "RunBoris" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums -
> AutoForumz.com> wrote in
> message news:4224995e$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> > 1998 Ford Contour SE, 2.0L 4-Cylinder DOHC
> >
> > Ok, here's a quick run-down of the past 2 weeks or so:
> >
> > Problem 1) Check Engine Light: Bad O2 Sensor
> > Symptons) Slightly jerky driving
> > Solution) Replaced both O2 sensors
> > Problem Fixed!
> >
> > Problem 2) Check Engine Light: Misfire Cylinders 3 & 4
> > Symptons) REALLY jerky driving
> > Solution) Replaced all 4 spark plugs AND wires
> > Problem Fixed! Runs better than ever!
> >
> > 3-4 days later...
> > Problem 3) Check Engine Light: Ignition System Malfunction

> or Misfire
> > Symtpons) When accelerating from a complete stop, RPMs drop

> to almost
> > nil, sometimes (becoming more frequent) stalling out. Also,

> on the
> > interstate when I hit around 75ish, I begin slowing down. If

> I try to
> > punch the gas, it drops in RPMs, then when I let up a

> little, it
> > downshifts and accellerates. Also, when giving it gas, it

> has a much
> > louder/deeper roar/moan than it used to.
> > And since I'm not very car-litterate, I'm gonna try hard to

> describe
> > this next symptom... When I start my car, it seems like the

> engine is
> > about 1/2 second off from everything else. I can here the

> starter
> > finish it's thing, but don't actually here the engine

> immediately.
> > The guy at auto zone said the engine code was a generic

> manufacturer
> > code that could mean anything. He suggested something about

> my
> > ignition coil and come ind of controller something-or-other.
> >
> > Any clues? Thanks!
> >
> > --
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Really??? That sounds great, even if that isnít the real problem! Is
this a recall only for cars that have a problem? Reason I ask is
because I have checked the available recalls on Fordís website, and
the only thing listed was the blower resister, which Iíve recently
done. Thanks for the info! Iíll see what the mechanic says about me
car this morning; tow truck is en route. Thanks again!
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Old 03-11-2005, 23:46   #3 (permalink)
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"RunBoris" wrote:
> Really??? That sounds great, even if that isn't the real
> problem! Is this a recall only for cars that have a problem?
> Reason I ask is because I have checked the available recalls
> on Ford's website, and the only thing listed was the blower
> resister, which I've recently done. Thanks for the info! I'll
> see what the mechanic says about me car this morning; tow
> truck is en route. Thanks again!


I nearly crapped my pants when the mechanic called me back... He said
he believes the timing belt has jumped, and the estimate was $1550+.
So, how difficult would this be to fix myself? And is $1550 a
realistic price from a mechanic, or is he BSing me?
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Old 03-11-2005, 23:46   #4 (permalink)
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"RunBoris" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote in
message news:42277efd_1@alt.athenanews.com...
> "RunBoris" wrote:
> > Really??? That sounds great, even if that isn't the real
> > problem! Is this a recall only for cars that have a problem?
> > Reason I ask is because I have checked the available recalls
> > on Ford's website, and the only thing listed was the blower
> > resister, which I've recently done. Thanks for the info! I'll
> > see what the mechanic says about me car this morning; tow
> > truck is en route. Thanks again!

>
> I nearly crapped my pants when the mechanic called me back... He said
> he believes the timing belt has jumped, and the estimate was $1550+.
> So, how difficult would this be to fix myself? And is $1550 a
> realistic price from a mechanic, or is he BSing me?


The V6 has a timing chain. If it jumped, it might cause damage to the
pistons, cylinder heads and valves. However, if it is an non-interference
engine, it might not cause any harm, other than require replacing the
chain.

Jeff


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Old 03-11-2005, 23:46   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 98 Contour Chokes when Accellerating

Jeff wrote:
> "RunBoris" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote in
> message news:42277efd_1@alt.athenanews.com...
>
>>"RunBoris" wrote:
>>
>>>Really??? That sounds great, even if that isn't the real
>>>problem! Is this a recall only for cars that have a problem?
>>>Reason I ask is because I have checked the available recalls
>>>on Ford's website, and the only thing listed was the blower
>>>resister, which I've recently done. Thanks for the info! I'll
>>>see what the mechanic says about me car this morning; tow
>>>truck is en route. Thanks again!

>>
>>I nearly crapped my pants when the mechanic called me back... He said
>>he believes the timing belt has jumped, and the estimate was $1550+.
>>So, how difficult would this be to fix myself? And is $1550 a
>>realistic price from a mechanic, or is he BSing me?

>
>
> The V6 has a timing chain. If it jumped, it might cause damage to the
> pistons, cylinder heads and valves. However, if it is an non-interference
> engine, it might not cause any harm, other than require replacing the
> chain.
>
> Jeff
>
>

His car has a 2.0L 4 cyl. They were "supposed" to be non-interference, but they
aren't. If the cam timing jumps they usually trash a couple of valves.
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Old 03-11-2005, 23:47   #6 (permalink)
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>
> Well, unfortunately I have the 4-cylinder which has the timing belt.
> Now, can someone explain to me how my timing belt just decided to jump
> off, or whatever it is that it did? And would that really cause the
> choking during accelleration? And also, why did it gradually get worse
> over a period of a couple days? Shouldnít it have just died? This
> whole thing is very confusing and frustrating...
>


What usually happens on the 2.0 is the bearing siezes on the timing belt tensioner ,
the belt then wears the plastic wheel down until it gets loose enough to slip a tooth
or two. This throws off the valve timing. Eventually the teeth shear off of part of
the belt or it breaks,and the camshafts stop moving. The crankshaft keeps moving for a
little while. Any valves held open by the camshafts become intimate with the still
moving pistons.

You are supposed to replace the timing belt every 50K miles or so to prevent this
kind of failure. You probably had a kind of rattling noise coming from the motor at
idle for a while. That was the timing belt slapping the plastic cover between the
camshaft gears. Many people don't notice the noise until it's too late.
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Old 03-11-2005, 23:47   #7 (permalink)
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Re: 98 Contour Chokes when Accellerating


"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
>> "RunBoris" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote
>> in message news:42277efd_1@alt.athenanews.com...
>>
>>>"RunBoris" wrote:
>>>
>>>>Really??? That sounds great, even if that isn't the real
>>>>problem! Is this a recall only for cars that have a problem?
>>>>Reason I ask is because I have checked the available recalls
>>>>on Ford's website, and the only thing listed was the blower
>>>>resister, which I've recently done. Thanks for the info! I'll
>>>>see what the mechanic says about me car this morning; tow
>>>>truck is en route. Thanks again!
>>>
>>>I nearly crapped my pants when the mechanic called me back... He said
>>>he believes the timing belt has jumped, and the estimate was $1550+.
>>>So, how difficult would this be to fix myself? And is $1550 a
>>>realistic price from a mechanic, or is he BSing me?

>>
>>
>> The V6 has a timing chain. If it jumped, it might cause damage to the
>> pistons, cylinder heads and valves. However, if it is an non-interference
>> engine, it might not cause any harm, other than require replacing the
>> chain.
>>
>> Jeff

> His car has a 2.0L 4 cyl. They were "supposed" to be non-interference,
> but they aren't. If the cam timing jumps they usually trash a couple of
> valves.


The original poster had a V6. Sorry for the confusion.

Jeff


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Old 03-24-2005, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
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"Jeff41" wrote:
> "Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:j_ydnfRqCZRpALrfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> > Jeff wrote:

> &nbsp;>> "RunBoris" &lt;UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums
> - AutoForumz.com&gt; wrote
> &nbsp;>> in message news:42277efd_1@alt.athenanews.com...
> &nbsp;>>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>"RunBoris" wrote:
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>Really??? That sounds great, even if that
> isn't the real
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>problem! Is this a recall only for cars that
> have a problem?
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>Reason I ask is because I have checked the
> available recalls
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>on Ford's website, and the only thing listed
> was the blower
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>resister, which I've recently done. Thanks for
> the info! I'll
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>see what the mechanic says about me car this
> morning; tow
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>>truck is en route. Thanks again!
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>I nearly crapped my pants when the mechanic
> called me back... He said
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>he believes the timing belt has jumped, and the
> estimate was $1550+.
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>So, how difficult would this be to fix myself?
> And is $1550 a
> &nbsp;&nbsp;>>>realistic price from a mechanic, or is he BSing
> me?
> &nbsp;>>
> &nbsp;>>
> &nbsp;>> The V6 has a timing chain. If it jumped, it might
> cause damage to the
> &nbsp;>> pistons, cylinder heads and valves. However, if it is
> an non-interference
> &nbsp;>> engine, it might not cause any harm, other than
> require replacing the
> &nbsp;>> chain.
> &nbsp;>>
> &nbsp;>> Jeff
> > His car has a 2.0L 4 cyl. They were "supposed" to be

> non-interference,
> > but they aren't. If the cam timing jumps they usually trash

> a couple of
> > valves.

>
> The original poster had a V6. Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Jeff


Iím curious to know if the car got fixed..what was the outcome?

I have the exact same problem with my 98 cotour with 145K. My timing
belt did go out about 6 months ago, but did not damage the engine.
Belt was replaced and car ran fine for about a month. Then the same
problem youíre desrcibing happend. I changed the sparkplug wires...ran
good for a while and it started hesitating on accelaration
again...also got a #4 misfire code...I suspect car is running lean,
which is why the spark plugs are fouling. The questin is why?

Not sure what the problem is. Itís driving me nuts. I have read all
types of soltuions (O2 sensor, MAF, fuel filter etc), but have not
seen one yet that seems to fix it.

Mike

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Old 03-27-2005, 10:01   #9 (permalink)
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"mmux" wrote:
> I'm curious to know if the car got fixed..what was the
> outcome?
>
> I have the exact same problem with my 98 cotour with 145K. My
> timing belt did go out about 6 months ago, but did not damage
> the engine. Belt was replaced and car ran fine for about a
> month. Then the same problem you're desrcibing happend. I
> changed the sparkplug wires...ran good for a while and it
> started hesitating on accelaration again...also got a #4
> misfire code...I suspect car is running lean, which is why the
> spark plugs are fouling. The questin is why?
>
> Not sure what the problem is. It's driving me nuts. I have
> read all types of soltuions (O2 sensor, MAF, fuel filter etc),
> but have not seen one yet that seems to fix it.
>
> Mike


Yes, I did get the car fixed. My total bill, including the tow, was
right at $1800. Now, I donít think what I was told is right because if
my timing belt broke or fell off while the car was running, I imagine
the car would stop at that time. But, I was able to make it from place
to place for a long time. The car didnít stop working until one
morning before work. I have never seen a belt break or fall off while
sitting still... Also, even if the belt magically fell/broke, how
could the valves be damaged? The engine wasnít running!

If someone can explain how this happened, that would be wonderful...
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Old 03-27-2005, 19:01   #10 (permalink)
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On 27 Mar 2005 10:57:49 -0500, RunBoris <DoNotEmail@AutoForumz.com>
wrote:

>"mmux" wrote:
> > I'm curious to know if the car got fixed..what was the
> > outcome?
> >
> > I have the exact same problem with my 98 cotour with 145K. My
> > timing belt did go out about 6 months ago, but did not damage
> > the engine. Belt was replaced and car ran fine for about a
> > month. Then the same problem you're desrcibing happend. I
> > changed the sparkplug wires...ran good for a while and it
> > started hesitating on accelaration again...also got a #4
> > misfire code...I suspect car is running lean, which is why the
> > spark plugs are fouling. The questin is why?
> >
> > Not sure what the problem is. It's driving me nuts. I have
> > read all types of soltuions (O2 sensor, MAF, fuel filter etc),
> > but have not seen one yet that seems to fix it.
> >
> > Mike

>
>Yes, I did get the car fixed. My total bill, including the tow, was
>right at $1800. Now, I donít think what I was told is right because if
>my timing belt broke or fell off while the car was running, I imagine
>the car would stop at that time. But, I was able to make it from place
>to place for a long time. The car didnít stop working until one
>morning before work. I have never seen a belt break or fall off while
>sitting still... Also, even if the belt magically fell/broke, how
>could the valves be damaged? The engine wasnít running!
>
>If someone can explain how this happened, that would be wonderful...


Usually what happens is the belt jumps a tooth or two, and the car
still runs, but it is pretty guttless. The engine may also get noisy -
and the pistons and valves start to "shake hands"
Eventually the valves bend enough that they don't seal well enough to
start the car, or when you go to start it one morning, it jumps
another tooth and the piston gives the valves the "kiss of death".

As for the engine running lean and throwing codes, my 2.5 Mystique was
throwing a code every 5 days or so. Two codes actually, bank 1 lean
and bank 2 lean.

I had a "motorvac" fuel system cleaner run on it 3 weeks ago, and the
light has not come on since. I strongly suspect I had a few dirty
injectors (car has 94000km on it)
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