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Old 06-14-2005, 00:02   #1 (permalink)
mcalister
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
leak from there.

<george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
> where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from sittting
> in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
> oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local parts
> house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
> gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
> generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and also
> that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the tube
> enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
> there.
>
> Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the dip
> tube enters the oil pan.
>
> By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on all
> their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
> them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
> Ford's screwups.....
>
> Thanks
>
> George
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with most
other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so it
will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil leak is
coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter, fuel
pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from the
dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust hole in
it.
"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
> leak from there.
>
> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from sittting
> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local parts
> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and also
> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the tube
> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
> > there.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the dip
> > tube enters the oil pan.
> >
> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on all
> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
> > Ford's screwups.....
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > George
> >

>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:03   #3 (permalink)
george@_nospam_.com
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
that special one from Ford.

I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
parked.

Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.

Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.

George

--------------

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
wrote:

>the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with most
>other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so it
>will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil leak is
>coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter, fuel
>pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from the
>dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust hole in
>it.
>"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
>> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
>> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
>> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
>> leak from there.
>>
>> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
>> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
>> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
>> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from sittting
>> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
>> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local parts
>> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
>> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
>> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and also
>> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the tube
>> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the dip
>> > tube enters the oil pan.
>> >
>> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on all
>> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
>> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
>> > Ford's screwups.....
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > George
>> >

>>
>>

>


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:03   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

good follow-up George. I never paid attention to the dipstick tube on the
351's I have. I just assumed they were press in like most other engines, but
then again the 351-400 was not that great to begin with, with the poor
oiling and bad wristpins.
<george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
news:0760a1lh7il3c7uq7btcdivpqq4182bco7@4ax.com...
> I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
> thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
> brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
> tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
> this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
> to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
> around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
> called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
> confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
> remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
> makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
> get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
> and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
> the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
> them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
> not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
> because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
> and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
> there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
> the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
> it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
> that special one from Ford.
>
> I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
> definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
> about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
> that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
> oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
> parked.
>
> Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
> know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
> block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.
>
> Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
> likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
> they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.
>
> George
>
> --------------
>
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with most
> >other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so it
> >will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil leak

is
> >coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter,

fuel
> >pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from the
> >dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust hole

in
> >it.
> >"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
> >> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
> >> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
> >> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
> >> leak from there.
> >>
> >> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
> >> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
> >> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from sittting
> >> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
> >> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local parts
> >> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
> >> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
> >> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and also
> >> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the tube
> >> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
> >> > there.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the

dip
> >> > tube enters the oil pan.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on

all
> >> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
> >> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
> >> > Ford's screwups.....
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > George
> >> >
> >>
> >>

> >

>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:03   #5 (permalink)
george@_nospam_.com
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

So the 351's are like that too, I didnt know that. I also did not
know about the poor oiling and bad wristpins. I will keep that in
mind. Is there anything one can do to make for better oiling, besides
the obvious like changing oil regularly? As old as this truck is, I
have not had any major problems with the engine other than the usual
stuff, water pump, fuel pump, carburetor rebuilding, several starters,
etc. The most major problem was replacing the timing chain and gears.

Take care

George

--------------

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:00:35 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
wrote:

>good follow-up George. I never paid attention to the dipstick tube on the
>351's I have. I just assumed they were press in like most other engines, but
>then again the 351-400 was not that great to begin with, with the poor
>oiling and bad wristpins.
><george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
>news:0760a1lh7il3c7uq7btcdivpqq4182bco7@4ax.com...
>> I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
>> thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
>> brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
>> tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
>> this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
>> to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
>> around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
>> called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
>> confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
>> remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
>> makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
>> get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
>> and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
>> the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
>> them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
>> not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
>> because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
>> and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
>> there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
>> the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
>> it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
>> that special one from Ford.
>>
>> I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
>> definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
>> about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
>> that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
>> oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
>> parked.
>>
>> Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
>> know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
>> block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.
>>
>> Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
>> likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
>> they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.
>>
>> George
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with most
>> >other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so it
>> >will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil leak

>is
>> >coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter,

>fuel
>> >pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from the
>> >dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust hole

>in
>> >it.
>> >"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
>> >> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
>> >> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
>> >> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
>> >> leak from there.
>> >>
>> >> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
>> >> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
>> >> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from sittting
>> >> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
>> >> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local parts
>> >> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
>> >> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
>> >> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and also
>> >> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the tube
>> >> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
>> >> > there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the

>dip
>> >> > tube enters the oil pan.
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on

>all
>> >> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
>> >> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
>> >> > Ford's screwups.....
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > George
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >

>>

>


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:03   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

Not all the 351's. There are/were two. The more common is the 351 Windsor,
which survived into the nineties and is related to the 302.

There was also the 351M which is identical to the 400 except 1/2 inch
shorter in stroke. They are nearly identical to the 351C but have larger
diameter crank bearings. They were used mostly in heavy applications like
trucks and LTD's. I think the last 351M/400 style engine was produced in
the early 80's, maybe 1982.

All that is from memory, so I'm sure there are additions/corrections others
can make.

CJB


<george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
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> So the 351's are like that too, I didnt know that. I also did not
> know about the poor oiling and bad wristpins. I will keep that in
> mind. Is there anything one can do to make for better oiling, besides
> the obvious like changing oil regularly? As old as this truck is, I
> have not had any major problems with the engine other than the usual
> stuff, water pump, fuel pump, carburetor rebuilding, several starters,
> etc. The most major problem was replacing the timing chain and gears.
>
> Take care
>
> George
>
> --------------
>
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:00:35 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>good follow-up George. I never paid attention to the dipstick tube on the
>>351's I have. I just assumed they were press in like most other engines,
>>but
>>then again the 351-400 was not that great to begin with, with the poor
>>oiling and bad wristpins.
>><george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
>>news:0760a1lh7il3c7uq7btcdivpqq4182bco7@4ax.com...
>>> I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
>>> thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
>>> brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
>>> tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
>>> this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
>>> to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
>>> around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
>>> called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
>>> confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
>>> remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
>>> makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
>>> get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
>>> and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
>>> the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
>>> them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
>>> not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
>>> because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
>>> and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
>>> there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
>>> the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
>>> it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
>>> that special one from Ford.
>>>
>>> I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
>>> definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
>>> about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
>>> that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
>>> oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
>>> parked.
>>>
>>> Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
>>> know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
>>> block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.
>>>
>>> Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
>>> likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
>>> they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with most
>>> >other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so
>>> >it
>>> >will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil
>>> >leak

>>is
>>> >coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter,

>>fuel
>>> >pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from the
>>> >dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust hole

>>in
>>> >it.
>>> >"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
>>> >> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
>>> >> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
>>> >> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
>>> >> leak from there.
>>> >>
>>> >> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
>>> >> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking from
>>> >> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from
>>> >> > sittting
>>> >> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart of
>>> >> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local
>>> >> > parts
>>> >> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it just
>>> >> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
>>> >> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and
>>> >> > also
>>> >> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the
>>> >> > tube
>>> >> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what was
>>> >> > there.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the

>>dip
>>> >> > tube enters the oil pan.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on

>>all
>>> >> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
>>> >> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one of
>>> >> > Ford's screwups.....
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks
>>> >> >
>>> >> > George
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>

>>

>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:03   #7 (permalink)
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"CJB" <colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote in message
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> Not all the 351's. There are/were two. The more common is the 351
> Windsor, which survived into the nineties and is related to the 302.
>
> There was also the 351M which is identical to the 400 except 1/2 inch
> shorter in stroke. They are nearly identical to the 351C but have larger
> diameter crank bearings. They were used mostly in heavy applications like
> trucks and LTD's. I think the last 351M/400 style engine was produced in
> the early 80's, maybe 1982.


The 400 was built from 1971 to 1982.

The was 351 Cleavland produced from 1971 to 1974.

And the 351 M (Modified) was produced from 1975 to 1982.

So these were the same engine, except the main bearings and crankshaft main
journals were bigger and the 400 had a longer stroke. I don't know if there
were any other differences between the engines.

The 351 Windsor was produced from 1969 to 1998.

They all had 4 inch bores.

Jeff


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Old 06-14-2005, 00:04   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

a friend of mine has 4 78 to 81 F350's with 351's and 400's in them, and
they all have over 300k miles on them. my 79 only has 80k on it but they all
get regular oil changes at 2500-3000 miles. for the low oil pressure we
have been adding 1 quart of lucas to them for what seems like forever, and
it keeps the pressure up.
<george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
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> So the 351's are like that too, I didnt know that. I also did not
> know about the poor oiling and bad wristpins. I will keep that in
> mind. Is there anything one can do to make for better oiling, besides
> the obvious like changing oil regularly? As old as this truck is, I
> have not had any major problems with the engine other than the usual
> stuff, water pump, fuel pump, carburetor rebuilding, several starters,
> etc. The most major problem was replacing the timing chain and gears.
>
> Take care
>
> George
>
> --------------
>
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:00:35 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >good follow-up George. I never paid attention to the dipstick tube on the
> >351's I have. I just assumed they were press in like most other engines,

but
> >then again the 351-400 was not that great to begin with, with the poor
> >oiling and bad wristpins.
> ><george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> >news:0760a1lh7il3c7uq7btcdivpqq4182bco7@4ax.com...
> >> I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
> >> thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
> >> brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
> >> tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
> >> this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
> >> to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
> >> around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
> >> called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
> >> confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
> >> remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
> >> makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
> >> get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
> >> and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
> >> the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
> >> them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
> >> not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
> >> because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
> >> and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
> >> there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
> >> the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
> >> it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
> >> that special one from Ford.
> >>
> >> I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
> >> definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
> >> about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
> >> that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
> >> oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
> >> parked.
> >>
> >> Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
> >> know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
> >> block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.
> >>
> >> Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
> >> likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
> >> they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >> --------------
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with

most
> >> >other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so

it
> >> >will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil

leak
> >is
> >> >coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter,

> >fuel
> >> >pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from

the
> >> >dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust

hole
> >in
> >> >it.
> >> >"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
> >> >> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
> >> >> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
> >> >> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
> >> >> leak from there.
> >> >>
> >> >> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
> >> >> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking

from
> >> >> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from

sittting
> >> >> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart

of
> >> >> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local

parts
> >> >> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it

just
> >> >> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
> >> >> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and

also
> >> >> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the

tube
> >> >> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what

was
> >> >> > there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where the

> >dip
> >> >> > tube enters the oil pan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan on

> >all
> >> >> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and on
> >> >> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one

of
> >> >> > Ford's screwups.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > George
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>

> >

>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:04   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

sorry about that, I was referring to the 351-400M, not the 351 windsor
"CJB" <colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote in message
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> Not all the 351's. There are/were two. The more common is the 351

Windsor,
> which survived into the nineties and is related to the 302.
>
> There was also the 351M which is identical to the 400 except 1/2 inch
> shorter in stroke. They are nearly identical to the 351C but have larger
> diameter crank bearings. They were used mostly in heavy applications like
> trucks and LTD's. I think the last 351M/400 style engine was produced in
> the early 80's, maybe 1982.
>
> All that is from memory, so I'm sure there are additions/corrections

others
> can make.
>
> CJB
>
>
> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> news:hnl0a15kn2vhk15n7fetambifl995fi24p@4ax.com...
> > So the 351's are like that too, I didnt know that. I also did not
> > know about the poor oiling and bad wristpins. I will keep that in
> > mind. Is there anything one can do to make for better oiling, besides
> > the obvious like changing oil regularly? As old as this truck is, I
> > have not had any major problems with the engine other than the usual
> > stuff, water pump, fuel pump, carburetor rebuilding, several starters,
> > etc. The most major problem was replacing the timing chain and gears.
> >
> > Take care
> >
> > George
> >
> > --------------
> >
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:00:35 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>good follow-up George. I never paid attention to the dipstick tube on

the
> >>351's I have. I just assumed they were press in like most other engines,
> >>but
> >>then again the 351-400 was not that great to begin with, with the poor
> >>oiling and bad wristpins.
> >><george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> >>news:0760a1lh7il3c7uq7btcdivpqq4182bco7@4ax.com...
> >>> I crawled under the truck today to see what I could do with this
> >>> thing. The tube has a nut around it, sort of like the end of a steel
> >>> brake or fuel line. It takes a 5/8" wrench. This tells me that the
> >>> tube must be flared on the end. However, the indent in the pan where
> >>> this nut goes, is too small for a normal open end wrench. I was able
> >>> to slightly move it with my wrench, but there is not enough space
> >>> around it to get it to turn more than maybe 1/12th of a turn. I
> >>> called a ford service garage and spoke with the mechanic. He
> >>> confirmed that the tube is flared, and that nut needs to come out to
> >>> remove the tube. When I asked about the wrench, he said that Ford
> >>> makes a special wrench, but they are costly and could takes months to
> >>> get it from special order. He suggested taking a standard box wrench
> >>> and grinding away most of the metal around the opening, then bending
> >>> the handle. He said he made his own like that. He said that removing
> >>> them is a "major bitch" (in those words). He was honest and told me
> >>> not to bring it in to his shop unless I can not do it any other way,
> >>> because its very time consuming to turn that nut a little at a time,
> >>> and he said that's at $65 an hour they charge. He went on to say that
> >>> there is a good chance all I need to do is tighten that nut against
> >>> the flare a little tighter. However, he said there is no way I can do
> >>> it with a standard wrench. I have to either modify a wrench, or buy
> >>> that special one from Ford.
> >>>
> >>> I carefully checked around the whole engine, and that oil is
> >>> definately leaking from where that dip tube enters the pan. It's only
> >>> about 3 1/2 to 4 inches from the bottom of the pan, so I still think
> >>> that the oil is that deep in there. If not, it's darn close, and the
> >>> oil is being forced out while I drive and then drips down when it's
> >>> parked.
> >>>
> >>> Why Ford ever decided to put the dip tube in the oil pan, I will never
> >>> know. Every other car I have ever worked on has it in the engine
> >>> block. This is NOT one of Fords better ideas.
> >>>
> >>> Come to think of it, it's a real stupid setup, because that tube most
> >>> likely has to be removed every time the oil pan is removed, and since
> >>> they make it so hard to remove, that makes the whole job difficult.
> >>>
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>> --------------
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:39:50 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >the dipstick goes into the pan with a press fit, like it does with

most
> >>> >other motors. there is no seal, because it is above the oil level, so
> >>> >it
> >>> >will not leak from there. if you look closer, you will find the oil
> >>> >leak
> >>is
> >>> >coming from somewhere else,like front or rear main seals, oil filter,
> >>fuel
> >>> >pump, things like that. or if it still looks like it is coming from

the
> >>> >dipstick, check the pan itself .it could be cracked or have a rust

hole
> >>in
> >>> >it.
> >>> >"mcalister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >>> >news:_nxne.48950$gc6.47047@okepread04...
> >>> >> So, if we give you an answer you don't like, are we idiots also?
> >>> >> Look again. The point the dipstick tube enters the pan is above
> >>> >> the level of the oil (when the engine is not running), oil cannot
> >>> >> leak from there.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> <george@_nospam_.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:ee5q91drmgilvdi8jai110bmsdcnf8c9ge@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >I have a 1979 F150 pickup with the 400 engine. Oil is leaking

from
> >>> >> > where the dipstick tube goes into the engine pan. Just from
> >>> >> > sittting
> >>> >> > in the garage for a week, I had what looks to be about 1/2 quart

of
> >>> >> > oil in the drip pan I put under the truck. I went to the local
> >>> >> > parts
> >>> >> > house and they told me that there is no seal around it, and it

just
> >>> >> > gets pushed into the pan. However, the guys that work there are
> >>> >> > generally idiots anyhow, so I do not believe what they say, and
> >>> >> > also
> >>> >> > that makes no sense since something must seal the spot where the
> >>> >> > tube
> >>> >> > enters the pan. They did not even look in the book to see what

was
> >>> >> > there.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Can someone please tell me what seals that junction spot where

the
> >>dip
> >>> >> > tube enters the oil pan.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > By the way, does Ford have the dipstick tube going into the pan

on
> >>all
> >>> >> > their engines? I have owned mostly GM vehicles in the past and

on
> >>> >> > them the dip tube goes in the block. In my opinion, this is one

of
> >>> >> > Ford's screwups.....
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > George
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>

> >

>
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 00:04   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Leak around dipstick tube

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:02:47 -0400, "tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net>
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>a friend of mine has 4 78 to 81 F350's with 351's and 400's in them, and
>they all have over 300k miles on them. my 79 only has 80k on it but they all
>get regular oil changes at 2500-3000 miles. for the low oil pressure we
>have been adding 1 quart of lucas to them for what seems like forever, and
>it keeps the pressure up.


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