3 dog nite@swatch.com

>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
>an alignment every time he loads his vehicle different? If your customer
>loads his axle to max capacity, is he doomed to running his tire at a less
>than ideal pressure because of a "recommendation" on the door sticker?
>Steerike One!!!
>


lmfao
what happens to alignment when you change pressur??

also what do you do to the built in understeer condition

LMFAO

better take a course in alignment

BTW
max load of vehicle does NOT mean add more air to tires


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Some ga

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:54:40 GMT, 3 dog nite@swatch.com wrote:

>>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
>>an alignment every time he loads his vehicle different? If your customer
>>loads his axle to max capacity, is he doomed to running his tire at a less
>>than ideal pressure because of a "recommendation" on the door sticker?
>>Steerike One!!!
>>
>
>
>lmfao
>what happens to alignment when you change pressur??

Uniformly? or side to side?
Radial or Bias Belted?
With many newer vehicles Caster isn't adjustable so I'd reckon that
would stay the same
>
>also what do you do to the built in understeer condition

What exactly do you mean by this? If the vehicle is intended to be
driven by 'joe/jane public' you leave the settings stock. If it's
going to be raced the goal more often tends towards neutral.
>
>LMFAO
>
>better take a course in alignment
>
>BTW
>max load of vehicle does NOT mean add more air to tires

Perhaps you should learn something about tyre construction and
dynamics. Failing that read a few owners manual. (try the section
under towing/high speed conditions).


Duuuhhhh !

Jim Warman

Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change in
ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
degree of caster change (also being equal) isn't going to amount to a hill
of beens since typical caster windows are about 2 degrees. Bump steer
characteristics wont change since I haven't changed tie rod angle.
Understeer/oversteer is more an effect of front to rear weight bias than
most alignment settings (though negative camber and toe out will make them
turn in better).... not forgetting that this characteristic is also affected
by other suspension geometry that is largely unadjustable (or has no
provision made for adjustment).

We'll pose a question that you wont answer anyway... what affect does camber
spread and caster spread have on steering?

You're coming up limper and lamer with each passing post. You appear to be
using a shovel to try and get out of a hole.

3 dog nite@swatch.com

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:38:20 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:

>Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change in
>ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
>degree of caster change (also being equal) isn't going to amount to a hill
>of beens since typical caster windows are about 2 degrees. Bump steer
>characteristics wont change since I haven't changed tie rod angle.
>Understeer/oversteer is more an effect of front to rear weight bias than
>most alignment settings (though negative camber and toe out will make them
>turn in better).... not forgetting that this characteristic is also affected
>by other suspension geometry that is largely unadjustable (or has no
>provision made for adjustment).
>
>We'll pose a question that you wont answer anyway... what affect does camber
>spread and caster spread have on steering?
>
spread which way?


>You're coming up limper and lamer with each passing post. You appear to be
>using a shovel to try and get out of a hole.
>
>

lmfao
you better redo your math
and show me your work

Jim Warman

It doesn't matter "which way"... caster and camber have an
inter-relationship... caster spread and camber spread have their own unique
effects.

Notice I have done no math to show and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be
shown to you.


<3 dog nite@swatch.com> wrote in message
news:bagt31phscivenvfcltnlijbcb6ntnonhn@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:38:20 GMT, "Jim Warman"
> <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change
in
> >ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
> >degree of caster change (also being equal) isn't going to amount to a
hill
> >of beens since typical caster windows are about 2 degrees. Bump steer
> >characteristics wont change since I haven't changed tie rod angle.
> >Understeer/oversteer is more an effect of front to rear weight bias than
> >most alignment settings (though negative camber and toe out will make
them
> >turn in better).... not forgetting that this characteristic is also
affected
> >by other suspension geometry that is largely unadjustable (or has no
> >provision made for adjustment).
> >
> >We'll pose a question that you wont answer anyway... what affect does
camber
> >spread and caster spread have on steering?
> >
> spread which way?
>
>
> >You're coming up limper and lamer with each passing post. You appear to
be
> >using a shovel to try and get out of a hole.
> >
> >
>
> lmfao
> you better redo your math
> and show me your work

3 dog nite@swatch.com

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:24:45 -0500, Some ga <someguy@address.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:54:40 GMT, 3 dog nite@swatch.com wrote:
>
>>>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>>>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
>>>an alignment every time he loads his vehicle different? If your customer
>>>loads his axle to max capacity, is he doomed to running his tire at a less
>>>than ideal pressure because of a "recommendation" on the door sticker?
>>>Steerike One!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>>lmfao
>>what happens to alignment when you change pressur??
>
>Uniformly? or side to side?
>Radial or Bias Belted?
>With many newer vehicles Caster isn't adjustable so I'd reckon that
>would stay the same
>>

lmfao
castor does not change with pressure on most vehicles
TARD
>>also what do you do to the built in understeer condition
>
>What exactly do you mean by this? If the vehicle is intended to be
>driven by 'joe/jane public' you leave the settings stock. If it's
>going to be raced the goal more often tends towards neutral.
>>

lmfao
public roads are not a race track


>>LMFAO
>>
>>better take a course in alignment
>>
>>BTW
>>max load of vehicle does NOT mean add more air to tires
>
>Perhaps you should learn something about tyre construction and
>dynamics. Failing that read a few owners manual. (try the section
>under towing/high speed conditions).
>
>
>Duuuhhhh !

3 dog nite@swatch.com

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:52:33 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:

>It doesn't matter "which way"... caster and camber have an
>inter-relationship... caster spread and camber spread have their own unique
>effects.
>

um yea it does
i can off set a camber pull with castor

you see the numbers can be in the green
but you can still have a half ass alignment


>Notice I have done no math to show and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be
>shown to you.
>
yup ya made up a bunch of numbers

thats what I thought

hurc ast

hurc ast

Jim Warman

Which "numbers" are fabricated? Have someone read the manual for you....
caster "windows" are typically along the lines of 2 degrees with some even
being larger.

I would suggest that you are certainly in no position to pretend to play
'high and mighty'.....

Some ga

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:13:03 GMT, 3 dog nite@swatch.com wrote:

><snip>
>>
>>What exactly do you mean by this? If the vehicle is intended to be
>>driven by 'joe/jane public' you leave the settings stock. If it's
>>going to be raced the goal more often tends towards neutral.
>>>
>
>lmfao
>public roads are not a race track

hence my initial "leave it stock"

BUT ! if it's going to be raced or used otherwise, you adapt it for
what it's going to be used for. Simple serving the customers needs.

Some ga

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:26:58 GMT, 3 dog nite@swatch.com wrote:

><snip>
>you see the numbers can be in the green
>but you can still have a half ass alignment
><snip>

They give you a colour coded alignment rack?

I suppose they've got to make it for who's using it
;-)