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Old 01-22-2006, 12:01   #1 (permalink)
Adam
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timing chain on cougar

ok,
I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me to
believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I called a
local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was Over head cam
and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this car worth the time
and money of fixing it?



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Old 01-22-2006, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
Jim Warman
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Re: timing chain on cougar

These engines have two timing chains and are what is known as "interference
cycle".... meaning the valves and the pistons occupy the same space at
different times. If timing has jumped, you are looking at some bent valves
and, possibly, damaged pistons.

YMMV..

FWIW, I'd likely perform at least a compression test and code scan before I
jumped to too many conclusions.


"Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> ok,
> I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
> engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me to
> believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I called
> a local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was Over head
> cam and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this car worth the
> time and money of fixing it?
>
>
>



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Old 01-22-2006, 18:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: timing chain on cougar

we cant perform a code check, the battery has been out of the car since it
stopped running last march.

so is this a deffinate thing? Does this ALWAYS happen when the timing jumps?
So if what your saying is true than this car isnt worth an entire engine.


"Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> These engines have two timing chains and are what is known as
> "interference cycle".... meaning the valves and the pistons occupy the
> same space at different times. If timing has jumped, you are looking at
> some bent valves and, possibly, damaged pistons.
>
> YMMV..
>
> FWIW, I'd likely perform at least a compression test and code scan before
> I jumped to too many conclusions.
>
>
> "Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:8kRAf.11743$jd5.1179@trnddc02...
>> ok,
>> I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
>> engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me to
>> believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I called
>> a local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was Over head
>> cam and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this car worth the
>> time and money of fixing it?
>>
>>
>>

>
>



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Old 01-22-2006, 18:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: timing chain on cougar

Where is the car? I can take it off your hands.

CJB

"Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> we cant perform a code check, the battery has been out of the car since it
> stopped running last march.
>
> so is this a deffinate thing? Does this ALWAYS happen when the timing
> jumps? So if what your saying is true than this car isnt worth an entire
> engine.
>
>
> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:nFRAf.109735$6K2.18680@edtnps90...
>> These engines have two timing chains and are what is known as
>> "interference cycle".... meaning the valves and the pistons occupy the
>> same space at different times. If timing has jumped, you are looking at
>> some bent valves and, possibly, damaged pistons.
>>
>> YMMV..
>>
>> FWIW, I'd likely perform at least a compression test and code scan before
>> I jumped to too many conclusions.
>>
>>
>> "Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:8kRAf.11743$jd5.1179@trnddc02...
>>> ok,
>>> I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
>>> engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me to
>>> believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I
>>> called a local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was
>>> Over head cam and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this car
>>> worth the time and money of fixing it?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 01-22-2006, 20:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: timing chain on cougar

As it stands right now, you only THINK that the timing has jumped.. more
common would be a broken valve spring or a cam follower problem.


"Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:l5WAf.30301$RK3.4584@trnddc06...
> we cant perform a code check, the battery has been out of the car since it
> stopped running last march.
>
> so is this a deffinate thing? Does this ALWAYS happen when the timing
> jumps? So if what your saying is true than this car isnt worth an entire
> engine.
>
>
> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> news:nFRAf.109735$6K2.18680@edtnps90...
>> These engines have two timing chains and are what is known as
>> "interference cycle".... meaning the valves and the pistons occupy the
>> same space at different times. If timing has jumped, you are looking at
>> some bent valves and, possibly, damaged pistons.
>>
>> YMMV..
>>
>> FWIW, I'd likely perform at least a compression test and code scan before
>> I jumped to too many conclusions.
>>
>>
>> "Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:8kRAf.11743$jd5.1179@trnddc02...
>>> ok,
>>> I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
>>> engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me to
>>> believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I
>>> called a local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was
>>> Over head cam and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this car
>>> worth the time and money of fixing it?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 01-23-2006, 05:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: timing chain on cougar

I was told also the computer could be bad, what about that?

"Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> As it stands right now, you only THINK that the timing has jumped.. more
> common would be a broken valve spring or a cam follower problem.
>
>
> "Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:l5WAf.30301$RK3.4584@trnddc06...
>> we cant perform a code check, the battery has been out of the car since
>> it stopped running last march.
>>
>> so is this a deffinate thing? Does this ALWAYS happen when the timing
>> jumps? So if what your saying is true than this car isnt worth an entire
>> engine.
>>
>>
>> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
>> news:nFRAf.109735$6K2.18680@edtnps90...
>>> These engines have two timing chains and are what is known as
>>> "interference cycle".... meaning the valves and the pistons occupy the
>>> same space at different times. If timing has jumped, you are looking at
>>> some bent valves and, possibly, damaged pistons.
>>>
>>> YMMV..
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'd likely perform at least a compression test and code scan
>>> before I jumped to too many conclusions.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Adam" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:8kRAf.11743$jd5.1179@trnddc02...
>>>> ok,
>>>> I have a 97 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6 v8 in it, when you crank the
>>>> engine the thing backfires through the throttle body. Which leads me
>>>> to believe that the timeing chain has slipped and its jumped time. I
>>>> called a local shop to see if they would fix it, the asked if it was
>>>> Over head cam and I said yes they said they wouldnt fix it. Is this
>>>> car worth the time and money of fixing it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

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>



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Old 01-23-2006, 13:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: timing chain on cougar

Without performing some tests, it will only ever be a guess. Many have found
that guessing gets to be very, very expensive.



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