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Old 11-19-2005, 06:01   #1 (permalink)
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Toyota beating Ford in U.S. retail market share

Reuters / November 18, 2005

DETROIT -- Toyota Motor Corp. grabbed more U.S. retail market share than
Ford Motor Co. in early November and it was less than one share point behind
General Motors, J.D. Power and Associates said on Friday.

A report from the industry tracking firm's closely watched Power Information
Network said GM had the highest retail market share in the first 13 days of
November at 18.8 percent.

However, retail share at the world's largest automaker was down 24 percent
from the same period a year ago, and Toyota was running close behind with a
retail share of 17.9 percent. Toyota, Japan's largest automaker, had a 15.4
percent U.S. retail market share a year earlier.

The report said Ford, which has seen its retail sales decline 30 percent
from the year-ago period, placed a distant third with a U.S. retail share of
15.3 percent.

GM and Ford both reported 23 percent declines in their U.S. sales last
month, as high gasoline prices hurt demand for their big SUVs and
industrywide sales fell to their slowest pace in seven years.

DaimlerChrysler was in fourth place in early November, with a retail share
of 13.6 percent, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd. took the No. 5 spot with a 12.2
percent share.

Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., which suffered a 13 percent decline in October sales,
appears to be in line for more disappointing results in November, according
to the Power Information Network. It said Nissan's retail sales were down 15
percent from the same period last year and its share was holding flat at 7.8
percent.

On an industrywide basis, the report said retail sales in the first 13 days
of November were down 15 percent compared with the same time period a year
ago.


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Old 11-19-2005, 07:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Toyota beating Ford in U.S. retail market share

Not that it's a panacea for blame... but how often do you hear "Toyota
recalls....." leading the news on your local radio stations?

As if it doesnt happen:

http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/toyota/

Couple that with really UNINSPIRED styling by Ford in the 500 and
whatever that new model's name is...{get my meaning, there?}

No, Mr Ford.. your company is shooting itself in both feet with help from
the Media.

Perhaps it would be worth the significant costs, in the long term, to
dissolve the American Corporation and re-incorporate your company in
Germany.



"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Reuters / November 18, 2005
>
> DETROIT -- Toyota Motor Corp. grabbed more U.S. retail market share
> than Ford Motor Co. in early November and it was less than one share
> point behind General Motors, J.D. Power and Associates said on Friday.
>
> A report from the industry tracking firm's closely watched Power
> Information Network said GM had the highest retail market share in the
> first 13 days of November at 18.8 percent.
>
> However, retail share at the world's largest automaker was down 24
> percent from the same period a year ago, and Toyota was running close
> behind with a retail share of 17.9 percent. Toyota, Japan's largest
> automaker, had a 15.4 percent U.S. retail market share a year earlier.
>
> The report said Ford, which has seen its retail sales decline 30
> percent from the year-ago period, placed a distant third with a U.S.
> retail share of 15.3 percent.
>
> GM and Ford both reported 23 percent declines in their U.S. sales last
> month, as high gasoline prices hurt demand for their big SUVs and
> industrywide sales fell to their slowest pace in seven years.
>
> DaimlerChrysler was in fourth place in early November, with a retail
> share of 13.6 percent, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd. took the No. 5 spot
> with a 12.2 percent share.
>
> Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., which suffered a 13 percent decline in October
> sales, appears to be in line for more disappointing results in
> November, according to the Power Information Network. It said Nissan's
> retail sales were down 15 percent from the same period last year and
> its share was holding flat at 7.8 percent.
>
> On an industrywide basis, the report said retail sales in the first 13
> days of November were down 15 percent compared with the same time
> period a year ago.
>
>
>




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Old 11-19-2005, 08:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Toyota beating Ford in U.S. retail market share

They would do better incorporating in Japan to escape US tax laws ;)


"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97136124DFD2Bpettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
> Not that it's a panacea for blame... but how often do you hear "Toyota
> recalls....." leading the news on your local radio stations?
>
> As if it doesnt happen:
>
> http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/toyota/
>
> Couple that with really UNINSPIRED styling by Ford in the 500 and
> whatever that new model's name is...{get my meaning, there?}
>
> No, Mr Ford.. your company is shooting itself in both feet with help from
> the Media.
>
> Perhaps it would be worth the significant costs, in the long term, to
> dissolve the American Corporation and re-incorporate your company in
> Germany.
>
>
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Reuters / November 18, 2005
>>
>> DETROIT -- Toyota Motor Corp. grabbed more U.S. retail market share
>> than Ford Motor Co. in early November and it was less than one share
>> point behind General Motors, J.D. Power and Associates said on Friday.
>>
>> A report from the industry tracking firm's closely watched Power
>> Information Network said GM had the highest retail market share in the
>> first 13 days of November at 18.8 percent.
>>
>> However, retail share at the world's largest automaker was down 24
>> percent from the same period a year ago, and Toyota was running close
>> behind with a retail share of 17.9 percent. Toyota, Japan's largest
>> automaker, had a 15.4 percent U.S. retail market share a year earlier.
>>
>> The report said Ford, which has seen its retail sales decline 30
>> percent from the year-ago period, placed a distant third with a U.S.
>> retail share of 15.3 percent.
>>
>> GM and Ford both reported 23 percent declines in their U.S. sales last
>> month, as high gasoline prices hurt demand for their big SUVs and
>> industrywide sales fell to their slowest pace in seven years.
>>
>> DaimlerChrysler was in fourth place in early November, with a retail
>> share of 13.6 percent, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd. took the No. 5 spot
>> with a 12.2 percent share.
>>
>> Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., which suffered a 13 percent decline in October
>> sales, appears to be in line for more disappointing results in
>> November, according to the Power Information Network. It said Nissan's
>> retail sales were down 15 percent from the same period last year and
>> its share was holding flat at 7.8 percent.
>>
>> On an industrywide basis, the report said retail sales in the first 13
>> days of November were down 15 percent compared with the same time
>> period a year ago.
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
> you pay..DEAL with it!



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Old 11-19-2005, 11:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Toyota beating Ford in U.S. retail market share

I guess you don't think Ford 500 gas tank falling off cars deserves a
headline?

By the way, the 500 could have been a success if it came with an engine.


"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97136124DFD2Bpettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
> Not that it's a panacea for blame... but how often do you hear "Toyota
> recalls....." leading the news on your local radio stations?
>
> As if it doesnt happen:
>
> http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/toyota/
>
> Couple that with really UNINSPIRED styling by Ford in the 500 and
> whatever that new model's name is...{get my meaning, there?}
>
> No, Mr Ford.. your company is shooting itself in both feet with help from
> the Media.
>
> Perhaps it would be worth the significant costs, in the long term, to
> dissolve the American Corporation and re-incorporate your company in
> Germany.
>
>
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Reuters / November 18, 2005
>>
>> DETROIT -- Toyota Motor Corp. grabbed more U.S. retail market share
>> than Ford Motor Co. in early November and it was less than one share
>> point behind General Motors, J.D. Power and Associates said on Friday.
>>
>> A report from the industry tracking firm's closely watched Power
>> Information Network said GM had the highest retail market share in the
>> first 13 days of November at 18.8 percent.
>>
>> However, retail share at the world's largest automaker was down 24
>> percent from the same period a year ago, and Toyota was running close
>> behind with a retail share of 17.9 percent. Toyota, Japan's largest
>> automaker, had a 15.4 percent U.S. retail market share a year earlier.
>>
>> The report said Ford, which has seen its retail sales decline 30
>> percent from the year-ago period, placed a distant third with a U.S.
>> retail share of 15.3 percent.
>>
>> GM and Ford both reported 23 percent declines in their U.S. sales last
>> month, as high gasoline prices hurt demand for their big SUVs and
>> industrywide sales fell to their slowest pace in seven years.
>>
>> DaimlerChrysler was in fourth place in early November, with a retail
>> share of 13.6 percent, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd. took the No. 5 spot
>> with a 12.2 percent share.
>>
>> Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., which suffered a 13 percent decline in October
>> sales, appears to be in line for more disappointing results in
>> November, according to the Power Information Network. It said Nissan's
>> retail sales were down 15 percent from the same period last year and
>> its share was holding flat at 7.8 percent.
>>
>> On an industrywide basis, the report said retail sales in the first 13
>> days of November were down 15 percent compared with the same time
>> period a year ago.
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
> Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
> you pay..DEAL with it!



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Old 11-19-2005, 11:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Toyota beating Ford in U.S. retail market share

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I guess you don't think Ford 500 gas tank falling off cars deserves a
> headline?
>
> By the way, the 500 could have been a success if it came with an
> engine.
>


It DIDNT where you are?!!! It is that 'headline' to which I was referring.

And if you read what I wrote.. oh, never mind!

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Old 11-20-2005, 09:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>I guess you don't think Ford 500 gas tank falling off cars deserves a
>headline?


None have "fallen off" except in extended life testing at Ford - "The
automaker discovered the problem during durability testing of a future model
of the Five Hundred at very high mileage. The company's investigation found
that the strap's manufacturer changed to a weaker grade of steel in December
2004 that could not meet Ford's durability requirements. Ford declined to
disclose the supplier's identity. At mileage levels of 100,000 and more, the
automaker was concerned the strap would separate and cause the fuel tank to
drop. Most 2005 vehicles likely would not have approached those mileage
levels yet, but "it's still not a risk that we want to take," Kinley said."

When Toyota recalls hundreds of thousands vehicles, no one seems to notice
(http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...C01-186791.htm). Ford
recalls 50 Foci, and it is another example of how Americans can't build
cars.

As I have suggest to others, go to the NHTSA website and read the documents
available regarding the Toyota truck balljoint recall. Toyota knew there was
a problem, and instead of getting out front like Ford did with the 500 Gas
Tank recall, they lied, denied and delayed until NHTSA finally forced them
kicking and screaming into recall the affected vehicles.

> By the way, the 500 could have been a success if it came with an engine.


BS. As I recall you drive an older Avalon with a 210 (inflated) Hp. The 500
has a 203 Hp (verified rating). The Avalon's 0-60 was around 8.6 sec. The
500's (a larger car) 8.7 sec. Not a big difference there. Why is the 203 HP
500 underpowered and the 210 (really 195 hp) Avalon not? Especially when
they have virtually the same 0-60 time (and if the 500 had the CVT instead
of the 6 speed, it was even faster). And further more, the Avalon engine is
a user hostile design that is so backwards it still requires routine valve
adjustments.

This is exactly the sort of crap that pisses me off when I talk to Toyota
fanatics. No matter how ordinary their Toyota is, they always assume it is
the best. And what is worse, they are willing to spend thousand extra for a
average or worse designs.

Ed


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Old 11-20-2005, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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The 2001 Avalon is incredibly quick.... faster then my 300M. I don't know
what the hp numbers are but hp is not the full story... torque and AT
efficiency count even more. As for headlines.... there are plenty of
headlines about Toyota's sludge problems. You guys just remember what you
want to remember to make your argument. There are no valve adjustment
requirements for the Avalon according to my owners manual. They were
required for my 1983 Tercels and if not done (typical of lazy dealers) the
inadequate engine performed even worse. Even so I don't like the Avalon at
all. It was designed by a former GM designer and has the quality to show.


"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:IOJff.10443$2y.5629@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>I guess you don't think Ford 500 gas tank falling off cars deserves a
>>headline?

>
> None have "fallen off" except in extended life testing at Ford - "The
> automaker discovered the problem during durability testing of a future
> model of the Five Hundred at very high mileage. The company's
> investigation found that the strap's manufacturer changed to a weaker
> grade of steel in December 2004 that could not meet Ford's durability
> requirements. Ford declined to disclose the supplier's identity. At
> mileage levels of 100,000 and more, the automaker was concerned the strap
> would separate and cause the fuel tank to drop. Most 2005 vehicles likely
> would not have approached those mileage levels yet, but "it's still not a
> risk that we want to take," Kinley said."
>
> When Toyota recalls hundreds of thousands vehicles, no one seems to notice
> (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...C01-186791.htm). Ford
> recalls 50 Foci, and it is another example of how Americans can't build
> cars.
>
> As I have suggest to others, go to the NHTSA website and read the
> documents available regarding the Toyota truck balljoint recall. Toyota
> knew there was a problem, and instead of getting out front like Ford did
> with the 500 Gas Tank recall, they lied, denied and delayed until NHTSA
> finally forced them kicking and screaming into recall the affected
> vehicles.
>
>> By the way, the 500 could have been a success if it came with an engine.

>
> BS. As I recall you drive an older Avalon with a 210 (inflated) Hp. The
> 500 has a 203 Hp (verified rating). The Avalon's 0-60 was around 8.6 sec.
> The 500's (a larger car) 8.7 sec. Not a big difference there. Why is the
> 203 HP 500 underpowered and the 210 (really 195 hp) Avalon not? Especially
> when they have virtually the same 0-60 time (and if the 500 had the CVT
> instead of the 6 speed, it was even faster). And further more, the Avalon
> engine is a user hostile design that is so backwards it still requires
> routine valve adjustments.
>
> This is exactly the sort of crap that pisses me off when I talk to Toyota
> fanatics. No matter how ordinary their Toyota is, they always assume it
> is the best. And what is worse, they are willing to spend thousand extra
> for a average or worse designs.
>
> Ed
>



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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The 2001 Avalon is incredibly quick.... faster then my 300M. I don't
> know what the hp numbers are but hp is not the full story... torque and AT
> efficiency count even more. As for headlines.... there are plenty of
> headlines about Toyota's sludge problems. You guys just remember what you
> want to remember to make your argument. There are no valve adjustment
> requirements for the Avalon according to my owners manual. They were
> required for my 1983 Tercels and if not done (typical of lazy dealers) the
> inadequate engine performed even worse. Even so I don't like the Avalon
> at all. It was designed by a former GM designer and has the quality to
> show.



Incredibly quick? - Yet it is only 0.1 sec faster to 60 than a Ford 500
which seem to think is underpowered? Have you ever driven a 500? My Father
has a Fresstyle, and I don't find it underpowered at all.

Your Toyota does require routine valve clearance and adjustment for your
engine. I suggest you read your owners guide carefully. I copied the
following from http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/index.php for a 2001
Avalon:

2001 Avalon
60,000 Miles - 48 Months

Replace engine oil and oil filter
Replace engine air filter
Replace engine coolant
Replace air conditioning filter
Rotate tires
Inspect the following:
Ball joints and dust covers
Brake lines and hoses
Brake linings/drums and brake pads/discs
Differential oil
Drive belts 4
Drive shaft boots
Engine valve clearance <---------------------READ
Exhaust pipes and mountings
Fuel lines and connections, fuel tank band and fuel tank vapor vent system
hoses
Fuel tank cap gasket
Steering gear box
Steering linkage and boots
Transmission fluid or oil

Additional Maintenance Items for Special Operating Conditions:

Driving on Rough, Muddy or Snow-Melted Roads
Inspect nuts and bolts on chassis and body
Towing a Trailer or Using a Camper or Car-Top Carrier
Inspect nuts and bolts on chassis and body
Replace automatic transmission fluid
Replace differential oil
Replace manual transmission oil

Applicable Footnotes:
4) Initial inspection at 60,000 miles. Inspect every 15,000 miles
thereafter.

It was ridiculous for Toyota to continue to use solid lifters into the 21st
century. The "new" Avalon does have hydraulic lifter. And it is much faster.
And much more expensive.

Ed

> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:_X1gf.3247$N45.146@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:IOJff.10443$2y.5629@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>I guess you don't think Ford 500 gas tank falling off cars deserves a
>>>headline?

>>
>> None have "fallen off" except in extended life testing at Ford - "The
>> automaker discovered the problem during durability testing of a future
>> model of the Five Hundred at very high mileage. The company's
>> investigation found that the strap's manufacturer changed to a weaker
>> grade of steel in December 2004 that could not meet Ford's durability
>> requirements. Ford declined to disclose the supplier's identity. At
>> mileage levels of 100,000 and more, the automaker was concerned the strap
>> would separate and cause the fuel tank to drop. Most 2005 vehicles likely
>> would not have approached those mileage levels yet, but "it's still not a
>> risk that we want to take," Kinley said."
>>
>> When Toyota recalls hundreds of thousands vehicles, no one seems to
>> notice (http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...C01-186791.htm).
>> Ford recalls 50 Foci, and it is another example of how Americans can't
>> build cars.
>>
>> As I have suggest to others, go to the NHTSA website and read the
>> documents available regarding the Toyota truck balljoint recall. Toyota
>> knew there was a problem, and instead of getting out front like Ford did
>> with the 500 Gas Tank recall, they lied, denied and delayed until NHTSA
>> finally forced them kicking and screaming into recall the affected
>> vehicles.
>>
>>> By the way, the 500 could have been a success if it came with an engine.

>>
>> BS. As I recall you drive an older Avalon with a 210 (inflated) Hp. The
>> 500 has a 203 Hp (verified rating). The Avalon's 0-60 was around 8.6 sec.
>> The 500's (a larger car) 8.7 sec. Not a big difference there. Why is the
>> 203 HP 500 underpowered and the 210 (really 195 hp) Avalon not?
>> Especially when they have virtually the same 0-60 time (and if the 500
>> had the CVT instead of the 6 speed, it was even faster). And further
>> more, the Avalon engine is a user hostile design that is so backwards it
>> still requires routine valve adjustments.
>>
>> This is exactly the sort of crap that pisses me off when I talk to Toyota
>> fanatics. No matter how ordinary their Toyota is, they always assume it
>> is the best. And what is worse, they are willing to spend thousand extra
>> for a average or worse designs.
>>
>> Ed
>>

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>



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Old 12-25-2005, 20:01   #9 (permalink)
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Yeah, lets give all our money to the Japs and we will all be
unemployed in the USA. Besides that, Toyota builds crappy engines.


On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:46:13 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Reuters / November 18, 2005
>
>DETROIT -- Toyota Motor Corp. grabbed more U.S. retail market share than
>Ford Motor Co. in early November and it was less than one share point behind
>General Motors, J.D. Power and Associates said on Friday.
>
>A report from the industry tracking firm's closely watched Power Information
>Network said GM had the highest retail market share in the first 13 days of
>November at 18.8 percent.
>
>However, retail share at the world's largest automaker was down 24 percent
>from the same period a year ago, and Toyota was running close behind with a
>retail share of 17.9 percent. Toyota, Japan's largest automaker, had a 15.4
>percent U.S. retail market share a year earlier.
>
>The report said Ford, which has seen its retail sales decline 30 percent
>from the year-ago period, placed a distant third with a U.S. retail share of
>15.3 percent.
>
>GM and Ford both reported 23 percent declines in their U.S. sales last
>month, as high gasoline prices hurt demand for their big SUVs and
>industrywide sales fell to their slowest pace in seven years.
>
>DaimlerChrysler was in fourth place in early November, with a retail share
>of 13.6 percent, while Honda Motor Co. Ltd. took the No. 5 spot with a 12.2
>percent share.
>
>Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., which suffered a 13 percent decline in October sales,
>appears to be in line for more disappointing results in November, according
>to the Power Information Network. It said Nissan's retail sales were down 15
>percent from the same period last year and its share was holding flat at 7.8
>percent.
>
>On an industrywide basis, the report said retail sales in the first 13 days
>of November were down 15 percent compared with the same time period a year
>ago.
>


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