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Old 12-14-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
aniramca@yahoo.com
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Washer liquid warmer

I read an article about a washer liquid warmer in some of the new Buick
Lucerne. My quick response was.... what a good idea. I noticed that
some of the luxurious GM car (Cadillac) also has this feature. I wonder
if this is really a good idea, especially if you live in a cold winter
area, where temperature drop to 0 deg.F. Why haven't others (especially
those luxurious brand name model cars) come up with the same idea, or
have they?
My related question is : If the ambient temperature is about 0 to minus
10 deg F, and you drive your car for about 20-30 minutes.... what would
then be for the ambient temperature under the hood? Will the engine
warm up the area under the hood to above 32F quickly?
I notice that block heater is used in cold weather to jacket and warm
the engine block, and it seems to work very well.... but will similar
device be useful to warm up the container of the windshield liquid, so
that the liquid comes out warm (above 32F) and melt the ice and snow in
the windshield right away?
Thanks for comment and discussion

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Old 12-14-2005, 18:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

aniramca@yahoo.com wrote:
> I read an article about a washer liquid warmer in some of the new Buick
> Lucerne. My quick response was.... what a good idea. I noticed that
> some of the luxurious GM car (Cadillac) also has this feature. I wonder
> if this is really a good idea, especially if you live in a cold winter
> area, where temperature drop to 0 deg.F. Why haven't others (especially
> those luxurious brand name model cars) come up with the same idea, or
> have they?
> My related question is : If the ambient temperature is about 0 to minus
> 10 deg F, and you drive your car for about 20-30 minutes.... what would
> then be for the ambient temperature under the hood? Will the engine
> warm up the area under the hood to above 32F quickly?
> I notice that block heater is used in cold weather to jacket and warm
> the engine block, and it seems to work very well.... but will similar
> device be useful to warm up the container of the windshield liquid, so
> that the liquid comes out warm (above 32F) and melt the ice and snow in
> the windshield right away?
> Thanks for comment and discussion
>


Many (most?) BMWs (and many other cars as well) have washer jet heaters
also. The point is not so much to heat the liquid as to keep the liquid
from freezing and blocking the jets.

--
-Fred W
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Old 12-14-2005, 18:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

the "liquid" is also good for temps of -40celcius.
so it is not really an issue, until it hits the cold windshield... then it
will sometimes freeze.


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Old 12-14-2005, 18:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer


<aniramca@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134608959.867324.140830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I read an article about a washer liquid warmer in some of the new Buick
> Lucerne. My quick response was.... what a good idea. I noticed that
> some of the luxurious GM car (Cadillac) also has this feature. I wonder
> if this is really a good idea, especially if you live in a cold winter
> area, where temperature drop to 0 deg.F. Why haven't others (especially
> those luxurious brand name model cars) come up with the same idea, or
> have they?
> My related question is : If the ambient temperature is about 0 to minus
> 10 deg F, and you drive your car for about 20-30 minutes.... what would
> then be for the ambient temperature under the hood? Will the engine
> warm up the area under the hood to above 32F quickly?
> I notice that block heater is used in cold weather to jacket and warm
> the engine block, and it seems to work very well.... but will similar
> device be useful to warm up the container of the windshield liquid, so
> that the liquid comes out warm (above 32F) and melt the ice and snow in
> the windshield right away?
> Thanks for comment and discussion


A simple method to warm up the washer fluid is to get about 5 or 10 feet of
extra tubing the same diameter as the washer tubing to the nozzles and a
couple of tubing connectors. Wrap the extra tubing around a heater or
radiator hose and connect in-line to the washer tubing. The heat from the
radiator will warm up the washer fluid before spraying it out.


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Old 12-14-2005, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

Just use straight methanol when it gets REALLY cold. Or methanol and
undyed ethylene or propylene glycol. Put in just a little water and a
dollop of clear soap. I use Palmolive.

M100-straight methanol-is available from some gas stations. Don't use
M85, it has gasoline in it.

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Old 12-14-2005, 19:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

SharkmanBMW wrote:

> the "liquid" is also good for temps of -40celcius.
> so it is not really an issue, until it hits the cold windshield...
> then it will sometimes freeze.




The problem is, that -40 fluid sits in the nozzles overnight,
evaporating off the methanol fraction. Minus the alcohol, washer fluid
is just water and detergent.

And guess what water does at -40? Nozzles /can/ and /do/ freeze up.

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Old 12-14-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:36:16 -0500, Peter Daly
<grayfox24@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Huge Goat Schmeisser" <invalid@invalid.c0m> wrote in message
>news:49qdnUWJe_lLUz3eRVn-qA@magma.ca...
>
>
> > SharkmanBMW wrote:
> >
> >
> >> the "liquid" is also good for temps of -40celcius.
> >> so it is not really an issue, until it hits the cold windshield...
> >> then it will sometimes freeze.

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is, that -40º fluid sits in the nozzles overnight,
> > evaporating off the methanol fraction. Minus the alcohol, washer fluid
> > is just water and detergent.
> >
> > And guess what water does at -40º? Nozzles /can/ and /do/ freeze up.
> >

>
>Huge Goat, if we were to believe that tripe, we wouldn't bother using
>windshield washers at all, because following your theory, the "fluid
>sits in the nozzles overnight, evaporating off the methanol fraction"!
>Nonesense Huge Goat! "the metanol fraction" does not evaporate
>overnight! Give your head a shake Huge Goat!


On an Aerostar, it does not matter WHAT WSW antifreeze you use. the
nozzles freeze up. In order to freeze, the freeze point MUST increase
- and the only way that happens is loss of the "methanol fraction".
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Old 12-14-2005, 20:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

Interesting replies..

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Old 12-14-2005, 20:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

Peter Daly wrote:

> "Huge Goat Schmeisser" <invalid@invalid.c0m> wrote in message
> news:49qdnUWJe_lLUz3eRVn-qA@magma.ca...
>
>
> > SharkmanBMW wrote:
> >
> >
> >> the "liquid" is also good for temps of -40celcius.
> >> so it is not really an issue, until it hits the cold windshield...
> >> then it will sometimes freeze.

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem is, that -40 fluid sits in the nozzles overnight,
> > evaporating off the methanol fraction. Minus the alcohol, washer

> fluid > is just water and detergent.
> >
> > And guess what water does at -40? Nozzles can and do freeze up.
> >

>
> Huge Goat, if we were to believe that tripe, we wouldn't bother using
> windshield washers at all, because following your theory, the "fluid
> sits in the nozzles overnight, evaporating off the methanol
> fraction"! Nonesense Huge Goat! "the metanol fraction" does not
> evaporate overnight! Give your head a shake Huge Goat!




Perhaps you need to give your own head a shake.

I live in Ontario, Canada. I suppose I'm imaging the frozen nozzles I
/personally/ experience at least a couple of times every single winter?

By the way, a quick fix is to place a (warm) thumb over the nozzles for
a minute (or as long as you can stand). This is often enough to thaw
the fluid so as to allow the nozzles to function again. Once they start
working, they're normally fine for the rest of the day, even if the
temperature stays low.
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Old 12-14-2005, 21:01   #10 (permalink)
Art
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Re: Washer liquid warmer

Ethylene glycol is a sweet tasting poison and should not be used unless you
like dead dogs in your neighborhood,


"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134611369.202069.307580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Just use straight methanol when it gets REALLY cold. Or methanol and
> undyed ethylene or propylene glycol. Put in just a little water and a
> dollop of clear soap. I use Palmolive.
>
> M100-straight methanol-is available from some gas stations. Don't use
> M85, it has gasoline in it.
>



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