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Old 04-20-2005, 03:01   #1 (permalink)
K9KO
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Back window fence guard???

Anyone know if there is a back window fence available to install in my
93 explorer to prevent canines from jumping out with the rear window
open?

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Old 04-20-2005, 11:01   #2 (permalink)
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"K9KO" <K9KO@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Anyone know if there is a back window fence available to install in my
> 93 explorer to prevent canines from jumping out with the rear window
> open?
>


I don't know about a guard.

What I do know is that driving with tailgate open presents a serious health
risk.
As you drive along, you generate a vacuum at the rear of the vehicle. This
tends to draw in exhaust fumes and has been known to cause fatalities.

Before the Explorer came into the family, we had been part of the station
wagon set starting in 1969. That's a lot of wagons over the years. The
hazard was well known and well documented.

The worst story I ever read about was a family going on vacation. Their
wagon had the rear facing seats (an option that would let you seat up to
nine). The kids wanted to sit in back with the window open ( lot of those
retracted into the tailgate). When they arrived at their destination two of
the kids had died of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Even now if I have a long load that sticks out beyond the tailgate, I always
am careful to be sure that the front windows are down and there is good
airflow through the car.

Charlie


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Old 04-20-2005, 11:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Back window fence guard???

Not to mention risk of wacking the window on a low lying tree branch or
stress on those cheapy struts that hold it open.

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Old 04-20-2005, 14:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Back window fence guard???

Do you have any documentation of this incident? While I'm not a rocket
scientist, I find it difficult to believe that a sufficient CO concentration
can be built up with a window open on a moving vehicle, even if it were a
rear window. It may get high enough to cause sleepiness, headaches, and
nausea, however.

I think the greater risk of having the rear window open would be a
broken rear window.


"Charlie Bress" <cbress@paamail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "K9KO" <K9KO@webtv.net> wrote in message
| news:4365-42660BAD-739@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
| > Anyone know if there is a back window fence available to install in my
| > 93 explorer to prevent canines from jumping out with the rear window
| > open?
| >
|
| I don't know about a guard.
|
| What I do know is that driving with tailgate open presents a serious
health
| risk.
| As you drive along, you generate a vacuum at the rear of the vehicle. This
| tends to draw in exhaust fumes and has been known to cause fatalities.
|
| Before the Explorer came into the family, we had been part of the station
| wagon set starting in 1969. That's a lot of wagons over the years. The
| hazard was well known and well documented.
|
| The worst story I ever read about was a family going on vacation. Their
| wagon had the rear facing seats (an option that would let you seat up to
| nine). The kids wanted to sit in back with the window open ( lot of those
| retracted into the tailgate). When they arrived at their destination two
of
| the kids had died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
|
| Even now if I have a long load that sticks out beyond the tailgate, I
always
| am careful to be sure that the front windows are down and there is good
| airflow through the car.
|
| Charlie
|
|


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Old 04-21-2005, 01:01   #5 (permalink)
Bad Dog
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Re: Back window fence guard???

Had a 150# dog that threw off more heat than the AC could handle. So
I've driven with the back window open in warm weather for over 10
years. No fumes when parked. And never had fume problems when exhaust
was intact, and windows open anyway.
Did replace the window pistons once.(Wish every replacement part was
that cheap and easy!)

Now that the new dog is not as trustworthy, to not jump out the window,
I'm looking for a way to keep the back window open without having to
secure the dog.

Guessing I have to make my own because, no one sells rear window guards
cause of liability.

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Old 04-21-2005, 06:01   #6 (permalink)
Charlie Bress
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Re: Back window fence guard???

John, I do not have any documentation on the tragic story.
As I recall, it happened in the mid 80's.
I place the time on where I was working at the time. The incident was widely
reported on the news and discussed it with my boss at the time. We both had
wagons and were already aware of the problem.
The symptoms you describe are accurate, but do you want to play a game
called "You bet your life" to se if it really gets bad enough.

Charlie

"John Riggs" <johnri60626@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:4266a7f1_2@x-privat.org...
> Do you have any documentation of this incident? While I'm not a rocket
> scientist, I find it difficult to believe that a sufficient CO
> concentration
> can be built up with a window open on a moving vehicle, even if it were a
> rear window. It may get high enough to cause sleepiness, headaches, and
> nausea, however.
>
> I think the greater risk of having the rear window open would be a
> broken rear window.
>
>
> "Charlie Bress" <cbress@paamail.com> wrote in message
> news:ap-dndpxpfKB4_vfRVn-oA@comcast.com...
> |
> | "K9KO" <K9KO@webtv.net> wrote in message
> | news:4365-42660BAD-739@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
> | > Anyone know if there is a back window fence available to install in my
> | > 93 explorer to prevent canines from jumping out with the rear window
> | > open?
> | >
> |
> | I don't know about a guard.
> |
> | What I do know is that driving with tailgate open presents a serious
> health
> | risk.
> | As you drive along, you generate a vacuum at the rear of the vehicle.
> This
> | tends to draw in exhaust fumes and has been known to cause fatalities.
> |
> | Before the Explorer came into the family, we had been part of the
> station
> | wagon set starting in 1969. That's a lot of wagons over the years. The
> | hazard was well known and well documented.
> |
> | The worst story I ever read about was a family going on vacation. Their
> | wagon had the rear facing seats (an option that would let you seat up to
> | nine). The kids wanted to sit in back with the window open ( lot of
> those
> | retracted into the tailgate). When they arrived at their destination two
> of
> | the kids had died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
> |
> | Even now if I have a long load that sticks out beyond the tailgate, I
> always
> | am careful to be sure that the front windows are down and there is good
> | airflow through the car.
> |
> | Charlie
> |
> |
>
>



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Old 04-21-2005, 08:01   #7 (permalink)
John Riggs
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Re: Back window fence guard???

Yup, I'll take my chances with it. I grew up with those wagons, and I
don't recall any news on such a thing.


"Charlie Bress" <cbress@paamail.com> wrote in message
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| John, I do not have any documentation on the tragic story.
| As I recall, it happened in the mid 80's.
| I place the time on where I was working at the time. The incident was
widely
| reported on the news and discussed it with my boss at the time. We both
had
| wagons and were already aware of the problem.
| The symptoms you describe are accurate, but do you want to play a game
| called "You bet your life" to se if it really gets bad enough.
|
| Charlie
|
| "John Riggs" <johnri60626@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:4266a7f1_2@x-privat.org...
| > Do you have any documentation of this incident? While I'm not a
rocket
| > scientist, I find it difficult to believe that a sufficient CO
| > concentration
| > can be built up with a window open on a moving vehicle, even if it were
a
| > rear window. It may get high enough to cause sleepiness, headaches, and
| > nausea, however.
| >
| > I think the greater risk of having the rear window open would be a
| > broken rear window.
| >
| >
| > "Charlie Bress" <cbress@paamail.com> wrote in message
| > news:ap-dndpxpfKB4_vfRVn-oA@comcast.com...
| > |
| > | "K9KO" <K9KO@webtv.net> wrote in message
| > | news:4365-42660BAD-739@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
| > | > Anyone know if there is a back window fence available to install in
my
| > | > 93 explorer to prevent canines from jumping out with the rear window
| > | > open?
| > | >
| > |
| > | I don't know about a guard.
| > |
| > | What I do know is that driving with tailgate open presents a serious
| > health
| > | risk.
| > | As you drive along, you generate a vacuum at the rear of the vehicle.
| > This
| > | tends to draw in exhaust fumes and has been known to cause fatalities.
| > |
| > | Before the Explorer came into the family, we had been part of the
| > station
| > | wagon set starting in 1969. That's a lot of wagons over the years.
The
| > | hazard was well known and well documented.
| > |
| > | The worst story I ever read about was a family going on vacation.
Their
| > | wagon had the rear facing seats (an option that would let you seat up
to
| > | nine). The kids wanted to sit in back with the window open ( lot of
| > those
| > | retracted into the tailgate). When they arrived at their destination
two
| > of
| > | the kids had died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
| > |
| > | Even now if I have a long load that sticks out beyond the tailgate, I
| > always
| > | am careful to be sure that the front windows are down and there is
good
| > | airflow through the car.
| > |
| > | Charlie
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|


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Old 04-21-2005, 15:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Back window fence guard???

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:41:09 -0400, "Charlie Bress"
<cbress@paamail.com> wrote:

>John, I do not have any documentation on the tragic story.
>As I recall, it happened in the mid 80's.
>I place the time on where I was working at the time. The incident was widely
>reported on the news and discussed it with my boss at the time. We both had
>wagons and were already aware of the problem.
>The symptoms you describe are accurate, but do you want to play a game
>called "You bet your life" to se if it really gets bad enough.
>
>Charlie


I rememeber well many such stories. Snopes.com is full of them.
Here's a story about a 140-year-old dinosaur:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=585429
I don't believe that, either.

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Old 04-21-2005, 15:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Back window fence guard???

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 02:41:17 -0400, AA3333@webtv.net (Bad Dog) wrote:

>Had a 150# dog that threw off more heat than the AC could handle. So
>I've driven with the back window open in warm weather for over 10
>years. No fumes when parked. And never had fume problems when exhaust
>was intact, and windows open anyway.
> Did replace the window pistons once.(Wish every replacement part was
>that cheap and easy!)
>
>Now that the new dog is not as trustworthy, to not jump out the window,
>I'm looking for a way to keep the back window open without having to
>secure the dog.
>
>Guessing I have to make my own because, no one sells rear window guards
>cause of liability.


A leash or harness does that very well.
It helps, of course, to fasten the loose end to something such that
there's not enough slack for the dog to get out the window. :-)

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Old 04-21-2005, 18:01   #10 (permalink)
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"Big Bill" <bill@pipping.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:41:09 -0400, "Charlie Bress"
> <cbress@paamail.com> wrote:
>
>>John, I do not have any documentation on the tragic story.
>>As I recall, it happened in the mid 80's.
>>I place the time on where I was working at the time. The incident was
>>widely
>>reported on the news and discussed it with my boss at the time. We both
>>had
>>wagons and were already aware of the problem.
>>The symptoms you describe are accurate, but do you want to play a game
>>called "You bet your life" to se if it really gets bad enough.
>>
>>Charlie

>
> I rememeber well many such stories. Snopes.com is full of them.
> Here's a story about a 140-year-old dinosaur:
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=585429
> I don't believe that, either.
>
> --
> Bill Funk


Well Bill, I invite you to post a link to Snopes regarding this subject. I
have searched under "carbon dioxide", "station wagon" and "tailgate" and
found no item on the story I posted.

I guess you should have done a little research instead of just shooting from
the hip.




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