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Old 01-23-2006, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
stevie
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firestone recall

Now that some time has passed since the Firestone situation, I think it is
interesting that you don't hear or read anything about Explorer rollovers.

As I recall, the Firestone company placed the blame on the Ford Explorer;
Ford said the rollovers were due to Firestone tire failure. Now that the
Firestone tires are have been removed, the press doesn't report any Explorer
rollover accidents. Wonder who was to blame??

I think almost any SUV would roll if the tires failed at a high speed. And
it seems that the Firestones failed at a much higher rate than most tires.
It's too bad that the Explorer got a bad reputation from the negative press.

At first I regretted my decision to purchase a 2000 Limited, mostly because
of the Firestone situation. However, it has been a pretty good car.

But I believe that both Ford and GM have to improve their quality to improve
car sales in the US.



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Old 01-23-2006, 16:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: firestone recall


"stevie" <sf@dum.org> wrote in message news:xScBf.356$F16.329@fe04.lga...
> Now that some time has passed since the Firestone situation, I think it

is
> interesting that you don't hear or read anything about Explorer rollovers.
>
> As I recall, the Firestone company placed the blame on the Ford Explorer;
> Ford said the rollovers were due to Firestone tire failure. Now that the
> Firestone tires are have been removed, the press doesn't report any

Explorer
> rollover accidents. Wonder who was to blame??
>
> I think almost any SUV would roll if the tires failed at a high speed.

And
> it seems that the Firestones failed at a much higher rate than most tires.
> It's too bad that the Explorer got a bad reputation from the negative

press.
>
> At first I regretted my decision to purchase a 2000 Limited, mostly

because
> of the Firestone situation. However, it has been a pretty good car.
>
> But I believe that both Ford and GM have to improve their quality to

improve
> car sales in the US.
>
>
>


They also don't tell you how many of them were raised or had oversized tires
on them. It's just the media. They go on about something for a while and
then pick something else. Sometimes it's high-speed chases, sometimes
freeway shootings, and sometimes Explorers rolling over. Just as long as
they get you to watch the show. Since the Explorer is the best-selling SUV
it's a good choice for stories.


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Old 01-25-2006, 19:01   #3 (permalink)
Al Tsiemers
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Re: firestone recall

"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:11taptlip2a3td6@corp.supernews.com:

>
> "stevie" <sf@dum.org> wrote in message
> news:xScBf.356$F16.329@fe04.lga...
>> Now that some time has passed since the Firestone situation, I think
>> it

> is
>> interesting that you don't hear or read anything about Explorer
>> rollovers.
>>
>> As I recall, the Firestone company placed the blame on the Ford
>> Explorer; Ford said the rollovers were due to Firestone tire failure.
>> Now that the Firestone tires are have been removed, the press
>> doesn't report any

> Explorer
>> rollover accidents. Wonder who was to blame??
>>
>> I think almost any SUV would roll if the tires failed at a high
>> speed.

> And
>> it seems that the Firestones failed at a much higher rate than most
>> tires. It's too bad that the Explorer got a bad reputation from the
>> negative

> press.
>>
>> At first I regretted my decision to purchase a 2000 Limited, mostly

> because
>> of the Firestone situation. However, it has been a pretty good car.
>>
>> But I believe that both Ford and GM have to improve their quality to

> improve
>> car sales in the US.
>>
>>
>>

>
> They also don't tell you how many of them were raised or had oversized
> tires on them. It's just the media. They go on about something for a
> while and then pick something else. Sometimes it's high-speed chases,
> sometimes freeway shootings, and sometimes Explorers rolling over.
> Just as long as they get you to watch the show. Since the Explorer is
> the best-selling SUV it's a good choice for stories.
>
>
>

Most of the stories seemed to disappear fairly quickly after people
started pointing out to the media that the photos they were running on
the front page under the headlines about the killer Firestones showed an
unside-down Explorer wearing Goodyear shoes.

Look closely at the SUVs being driven today. Almost every other one has
at least one seriously underinflated tire.

If you don't think an underinflated tire overheats and falls apart, then
you probably still believe that those big chunks on the freeway are from
"re-caps".
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Old 01-26-2006, 06:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: firestone recall

I had personal experience with defective Firestone tires on two
Explorers, a '92 and a '99. In the early 90's this newsgroup was full
of postings about problems with shaking. Various causes were
identified, such as radius arm bushings. My '92 was about two years
old when it started to have intermittent shaking problems. Around 55
the front end would begin to shake as if everything up there was
loose. The Ford dealer blamed the tires, the tire dealer blamed the
Ford. By this time, the shocks were ruined from all the shaking, so I
installed Bilsteins. This did not solve the problem. Finally, I
replaced the tires with another set of Firestones. Had the same
problem. My Firestone dealer then replaced the tires with Michelin
LTX M/S. The problem disappeared and stayed gone until I sold the
vehicle last year. I now know the shaking was caused by the beginning
of tread separation on the Firestones.

When I bought the '99, I had the Firestones replaced with Michelins
before I took delivery. However, the spare was not replaced. After
about three years, during which time the spare had never been on the
road, I looked closely at it and saw that there were significant
cracks all around the tire at the edge of the belt. This tire was
beginning to fail and had never been run. Obviously, inflation was
not a factor. I got a free Michelin to replace the spare when Ford
decided to recall all Firestones. As I recall, Ford spent around $2
billion replacing these tires before Firestone recalled them.

The three biggest tire recalls in history were all Firestone and all
involved tread separation. Of course there are other reasons for tire
failure, such as under-inflation, but it seems obvious that there
really was a severe problem with tires used on Explorers from '91
through '00.

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:52:27 GMT, Al Tsiemers
<Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote:

>"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:11taptlip2a3td6@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>
>> "stevie" <sf@dum.org> wrote in message
>> news:xScBf.356$F16.329@fe04.lga...
>>> Now that some time has passed since the Firestone situation, I think
>>> it

>> is
>>> interesting that you don't hear or read anything about Explorer
>>> rollovers.
>>>
>>> As I recall, the Firestone company placed the blame on the Ford
>>> Explorer; Ford said the rollovers were due to Firestone tire failure.
>>> Now that the Firestone tires are have been removed, the press
>>> doesn't report any

>> Explorer
>>> rollover accidents. Wonder who was to blame??
>>>
>>> I think almost any SUV would roll if the tires failed at a high
>>> speed.

>> And
>>> it seems that the Firestones failed at a much higher rate than most
>>> tires. It's too bad that the Explorer got a bad reputation from the
>>> negative

>> press.
>>>
>>> At first I regretted my decision to purchase a 2000 Limited, mostly

>> because
>>> of the Firestone situation. However, it has been a pretty good car.
>>>
>>> But I believe that both Ford and GM have to improve their quality to

>> improve
>>> car sales in the US.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> They also don't tell you how many of them were raised or had oversized
>> tires on them. It's just the media. They go on about something for a
>> while and then pick something else. Sometimes it's high-speed chases,
>> sometimes freeway shootings, and sometimes Explorers rolling over.
>> Just as long as they get you to watch the show. Since the Explorer is
>> the best-selling SUV it's a good choice for stories.
>>
>>
>>

>Most of the stories seemed to disappear fairly quickly after people
>started pointing out to the media that the photos they were running on
>the front page under the headlines about the killer Firestones showed an
>unside-down Explorer wearing Goodyear shoes.
>
>Look closely at the SUVs being driven today. Almost every other one has
>at least one seriously underinflated tire.
>
>If you don't think an underinflated tire overheats and falls apart, then
>you probably still believe that those big chunks on the freeway are from
>"re-caps".

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