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Old 01-26-2006, 21:01   #1 (permalink)
Thomas Cameron
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1968 Coupe - making huge headway!

Howdy All -

It's been a while since I posted, my new job keeps me traveling a lot.

You may or may not remember me - I have a '68 coupe that I have been
working on for several months. Today I went to the shop and checked it
out. The mechanic has completely removed everything in the engine bay and
under the chassis. He power-washed it three times, rotary wire-brushed
it and scraped seam sealer and other gunk between each washing. Once it
was pristine, he shot the underside and engine bay with sealer, primer and
then several coats of gloss black paint. It looks SO FREAKING GOOD!
Better than I expected!

I knew the car was in good shape when I got it, but my mechanic told me
that he could not find anything other than light surface rust anywhere
except where the master cylinder had been leaking, and that area was not
badly corroded. He was able to sand it down and seal, prime and paint it.

I also had him remove the cowl to check for and treat any rust. Once it
was off, he only found a small area of light surface rust. So he sanded
the whole area to remove all the surface rust and is sealing and painting
it tomorrow. He's going to put on several coats so it should last another
40 years! He's also tack-welding a screen inside the cowl so that leaves
and junk won't be able to get in and rot.

While he has the front fenders off, he's sanded and power washed
everything he can get to. He's repainting all of it and putting on new
seam sealer everywhere.

The engine going in is an EFI 351W roller motor out of an SVT Lightning.
We're putting in a cam, headers, 24# injectors, and a Mustang computer
which we're getting reprogrammed for performance.

The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
in the rear end. I wanted to go with a 9" rear end, but we're going to
stay with the 8" for now. If it breaks, I'll pony up for a 9".

The suspension is all Grab-a-Trak - new upper and lower control arms, 620
coil springs, 5-leaf rear springs and a Shelby drop. Right now it has
15x8 rims and 225/60s all around, but we figured out that I really need
17's unless I want to be at 2900RPM in 5th gear at highway speeds!

The power steering pump is shot, so it's being replaced, and I got the
"make it new" power steering kit from Mustangs Plus, so the steering
should be nice and tight.

I got the disc brake conversion from Mustangs Plus, so it will be disc
front. Disc rear is in my future, just not at this point.

Man, it's been a crazy ride. It's true. This kind of project is just
a hole in the road into which you pour money. But, man, when I saw that
car looking all smooth and glossy, it was all worth it. And it's still a
good month and a half or two from being done!

Anyway, just wanted to check in and thank everyone for all the great
advice. I am not anywhere close to being a mechanic, so I know I've
probably asked some really irritating questions, and you have all been
really great!

There are a ton of digital pix at the shop, I am going to go by soon with
my USB thumb drive and copy them, then I will put them on my web site and
send this newsgroup a link.

Cheers!
Thomas Cameron
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Old 01-26-2006, 22:01   #2 (permalink)
66 6F HCS
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"Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
> The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
> in the rear end.


Hope you don't toast the tranny with that setup and that motor. Stock T-5's
top out around 350tq then they scatter themselves.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/


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Old 01-26-2006, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:

>
> "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
>> The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
>> in the rear end.

>
> Hope you don't toast the tranny with that setup and that motor. Stock T-5's
> top out around 350tq then they scatter themselves.


Yeah, I've gone back and forth over that. I don't really know what my
alternative is, though. Is there a 5-speed tranny that would be a better
choice? I've drooled over the 6-speed T56, but that would apparently take
major surgery to make fit.

This engine should make about 340 ft/lbs torque, so it *should* be OK. I
am also not really going to thrash it very much at all. I suspect there
will be the occasional stop-light silliness, but nothing too hard-corps.

Thomas
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 1968 Coupe - making huge headway!

Thomas Cameron wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:
>
>> "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
>>> The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
>>> in the rear end.

>> Hope you don't toast the tranny with that setup and that motor. Stock T-5's
>> top out around 350tq then they scatter themselves.

>
> Yeah, I've gone back and forth over that. I don't really know what my
> alternative is, though. Is there a 5-speed tranny that would be a better
> choice? I've drooled over the 6-speed T56, but that would apparently take
> major surgery to make fit.


Just get a Tremec. It's a bit of work to shoehorn one in, but worth it.
Here's all you ever wanted to know about putting a modern trans in an
old Mustang:

http://www.moderndriveline.com/Techn...ic_mustang.htm

Cheers,
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Old 01-27-2006, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
> Yeah, I've gone back and forth over that. I don't really know what my
> alternative is, though. Is there a 5-speed tranny that would be a better
> choice?


The Tremec TKO.
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Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/


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Old 01-27-2006, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 1968 Coupe - making huge headway!

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:45 -0500, Ritz wrote:

> Thomas Cameron wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:
>>
>>> "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
>>>> The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
>>>> in the rear end.
>>> Hope you don't toast the tranny with that setup and that motor. Stock T-5's
>>> top out around 350tq then they scatter themselves.

>>
>> Yeah, I've gone back and forth over that. I don't really know what my
>> alternative is, though. Is there a 5-speed tranny that would be a better
>> choice? I've drooled over the 6-speed T56, but that would apparently take
>> major surgery to make fit.

>
> Just get a Tremec. It's a bit of work to shoehorn one in, but worth it.
> Here's all you ever wanted to know about putting a modern trans in an
> old Mustang:
>
> http://www.moderndriveline.com/Techn...ic_mustang.htm


Ouch. Twice the price I was planning on paying for a T-5.
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Old 01-27-2006, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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"Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
>> http://www.moderndriveline.com/Techn...ic_mustang.htm

>
> Ouch. Twice the price I was planning on paying for a T-5.


But you will KNOW it won't break. A lot can be said for confidence in your
equipment.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/


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Old 01-27-2006, 12:01   #8 (permalink)
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:51:47 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:

> But you will KNOW it won't break. A lot can be said for confidence in your
> equipment.


Very true. But I checked into it and a 92-93 T-5 from a 5.0 Mustang is
rated at 330 ft/lbs. This engine is projected to make only a little more
than that, and I am going to be driving it daily. It's not going to the
strip or anything like that.

I'm so far over budget on this, I'm willing to risk the T-5 for a year or
so. Then, once I save up a couple of grand of play money I will go for a
Procharger intercooled blower and a seriously built T600.

But that'll be phase II. :-)

TC
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Old 01-27-2006, 13:01   #9 (permalink)
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"Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.01.27.19.29.25.975868@camerontech.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:51:47 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:
>
>> But you will KNOW it won't break. A lot can be said for confidence in
>> your
>> equipment.

>
> Very true. But I checked into it and a 92-93 T-5 from a 5.0 Mustang is
> rated at 330 ft/lbs. This engine is projected to make only a little more
> than that, and I am going to be driving it daily. It's not going to the
> strip or anything like that.
>
> I'm so far over budget on this, I'm willing to risk the T-5 for a year or
> so. Then, once I save up a couple of grand of play money I will go for a
> Procharger intercooled blower and a seriously built T600.
>
> But that'll be phase II. :-)
>
> TC


I've trashed and worn out lots of transmissions, rearends and other parts, I
absolutely used many parts completely up. I destroyed, than replaced or
rebuilt more parts and pieces than I care to remember. You should get
plenty of warning of it's eminent failure. I don't know about that
transmission, but the 3 toploader 4-speeds I had to rebuild still got me
home after they rendered themselves ready for rebuild. Wish I could same
for the automatics, they generally leave you stranded when they go. Even if
you don't get fair warning, not a giant risk, you coast to the side and tow
it home, no harm, no foul. It is after all not a boat or even a plane for
that matter.

Good Luck


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Old 01-27-2006, 19:01   #10 (permalink)
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Thomas Cameron wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:26:45 -0500, Ritz wrote:
>
>> Thomas Cameron wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0700, 66 6F HCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron@camerontech.com> wrote
>>>>> The tranny is a T-5 out of a 5.0 Mustang. We're putting 3.73 locker gears
>>>>> in the rear end.
>>>> Hope you don't toast the tranny with that setup and that motor. Stock T-5's
>>>> top out around 350tq then they scatter themselves.
>>> Yeah, I've gone back and forth over that. I don't really know what my
>>> alternative is, though. Is there a 5-speed tranny that would be a better
>>> choice? I've drooled over the 6-speed T56, but that would apparently take
>>> major surgery to make fit.

>> Just get a Tremec. It's a bit of work to shoehorn one in, but worth it.
>> Here's all you ever wanted to know about putting a modern trans in an
>> old Mustang:
>>
>> http://www.moderndriveline.com/Techn...ic_mustang.htm

>
> Ouch. Twice the price I was planning on paying for a T-5.



You won't think it's twice the price when you've got to buy one anyway
after you've roached the T-5. A stock T-5 is not meant to handle a
worked up 351. It'll break. Just do it right the first time and spare
yourself from having to do the job twice.

Cheers,

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