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Old 12-01-2005, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
RSCamaro
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2000 GT Vert - Issues with Ford Dealer (long)

(RANT ON)

Murphy has been less than kind to me lately. Had like a week strait
rain storm here a few weeks back and of course some seepage got into
the car. My problem was that I started it up and left my house only
to discover that I had lost my dash board a couple of miles down the
road. I pull it into a church lot and shut it down and of course it
won't restart. Tow strapped it home the next day and tore the dash
apart looking for water stains or what part got washed out. I
couldn't find any signs of wetness.

I had to build up some cash before I sent it to my local Dealer so it
sat for a couple of weeks. I tried to start it every other day or so
and got it to run a couple of times, but the next day or even that
same day it wouldn't restart. Off she goes to the dealership on
Monday.

Get a call from wifey on Tuesday that they say that it's the fuel pump
and I told her to have them make the repairs. I was busy at the time
of the call... Anyway I get home and immediately call the dealership
and get in touch with the service manager and ask what a bad fuel pump
has to do with the dash assembly not operating.

I get put on hold while he goes out and asks the mechanic a question.
Comes back and says the PID says that the fuel pump is bad. This is
what they have found so far. There could be other problems.

I ask again what that has to do with the dash assembly not working? I
get the answer that they found a cracked fillerneck... ??? Ok, OK, So
what does that have to do with my car being able to start up at least
twice with a complete dash and running for 2 to 3 hours and revving it
up to 5 grand a few times to see if it had a weak fuel pump?

I was put on hold again...

He comes back on and tells me that he has 3 mechanics working
dilligently on it right now, to which I reply that I don't need you
guys chasing parts around the shop and that was why I was giving them
a call to make sure that they knew all of the information that could
be had.

I get the next call today from my wife. She called looking for an
estimated time of repair, and was told that the mechanic (singular)
left sick and went to the doctors. She also told my wife that she only
knows that there is something wrong with the dash assembly.

I know that the dash works fine when the car is running, which pipe
wrench should I carry into the dealership when I can't stand it no
more, the aluminum 18", aluminum 24", or the cast steel 36" one?

I've spent tons of cash in this car since I bought it. Replaced 4
tires, 4 rotors, brake shoes on all 4 corners, shocks and struts on
all 4 corners, had to replace the axles due to the tires which was a
fiasco thanks to Summit Racing Equiptment. They sent me 31 spline
shafts instead of the 28 spline that a regular GT uses. 3 corners
have been repaired from the wifes misshaps and one that needs to be
repaired, caused by me(the reason I had to replace the axles).

(RANT Off)

Sorry to have bothered anyone who read this far but i had to get it
out of my system. Thanks for reading.

...Ron
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88' Firebird Formula
00' Mustang GT Vert
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Old 12-01-2005, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 2000 GT Vert - Issues with Ford Dealer (long)

rscamero@hotmail.com (RSCamaro) wrote:

> which pipe
> wrench should I carry into the dealership when I can't stand it no
> more, the aluminum 18", aluminum 24", or the cast steel 36" one?
>


Go to odd/big lots and get a cheap 16" caststeel pipe wrench, easier to
wind up, and still does damage. Plus you're less likely to sprain
something.

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Old 12-01-2005, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 2000 GT Vert - Issues with Ford Dealer (long)

I can understand your frustration..... you are getting the run-around and
the people you are dealing with appear to be something quite a bit less than
professional.

Now, I'm going to sound like a Yankee basher, but (in all honesty) I do hold
the United States and its citizenry in high regard...... However, just
because it's "your" way, doesn't mean it's the "right" way.

In Canada, to become a journeyman auto tech, I go through a 4 year
apprenticeship. Two months of each year is spent at a learning
institution... the idea being that I will be taught the theory that my
mentor may have trouble relating or overlooking. In the remaing 10 months I
must acquire 1200 hours of practical experience so that I am allowed to
attend the next level classroom training. In the US, all I need is a hammer
and a crescent wrench and I can set up shop.....

Add (and I am going to catch supreme shit for this thought....) that it
appears, from watching the evening news and such, that it is almost
acceptable for a Yank to screw a Yank but woe betide anyone messing with the
status quo. Again, this is not a judgement... it is merely an outside
observation.... the face that the world sees....

I understand that some states have enacted legislation requiring mechanics
to prove, beyond a doubt, that a repair or parts replacement was justified.
This is cleaning up the mess after it has happened. To require tech
"wannabes" to undergo an apprenticeship period, may help to clean up the
mess "before" it happens.

Situations like these are much more complicated than they appear to be at
first glance..... this doesn't justify anything but I feel the need to
mention it because there is no simple fix for a system that allows any hack
to call him/herself a mechanic with no background to instill the knowledge,
the experience and the logic required to successfully persue this career
choice.


"RSCamaro" <rscamero@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:438f91de.90429234@news.verizon.net...
> (RANT ON)
>
> Murphy has been less than kind to me lately. Had like a week strait
> rain storm here a few weeks back and of course some seepage got into
> the car. My problem was that I started it up and left my house only
> to discover that I had lost my dash board a couple of miles down the
> road. I pull it into a church lot and shut it down and of course it
> won't restart. Tow strapped it home the next day and tore the dash
> apart looking for water stains or what part got washed out. I
> couldn't find any signs of wetness.
>
> I had to build up some cash before I sent it to my local Dealer so it
> sat for a couple of weeks. I tried to start it every other day or so
> and got it to run a couple of times, but the next day or even that
> same day it wouldn't restart. Off she goes to the dealership on
> Monday.
>
> Get a call from wifey on Tuesday that they say that it's the fuel pump
> and I told her to have them make the repairs. I was busy at the time
> of the call... Anyway I get home and immediately call the dealership
> and get in touch with the service manager and ask what a bad fuel pump
> has to do with the dash assembly not operating.
>
> I get put on hold while he goes out and asks the mechanic a question.
> Comes back and says the PID says that the fuel pump is bad. This is
> what they have found so far. There could be other problems.
>
> I ask again what that has to do with the dash assembly not working? I
> get the answer that they found a cracked fillerneck... ??? Ok, OK, So
> what does that have to do with my car being able to start up at least
> twice with a complete dash and running for 2 to 3 hours and revving it
> up to 5 grand a few times to see if it had a weak fuel pump?
>
> I was put on hold again...
>
> He comes back on and tells me that he has 3 mechanics working
> dilligently on it right now, to which I reply that I don't need you
> guys chasing parts around the shop and that was why I was giving them
> a call to make sure that they knew all of the information that could
> be had.
>
> I get the next call today from my wife. She called looking for an
> estimated time of repair, and was told that the mechanic (singular)
> left sick and went to the doctors. She also told my wife that she only
> knows that there is something wrong with the dash assembly.
>
> I know that the dash works fine when the car is running, which pipe
> wrench should I carry into the dealership when I can't stand it no
> more, the aluminum 18", aluminum 24", or the cast steel 36" one?
>
> I've spent tons of cash in this car since I bought it. Replaced 4
> tires, 4 rotors, brake shoes on all 4 corners, shocks and struts on
> all 4 corners, had to replace the axles due to the tires which was a
> fiasco thanks to Summit Racing Equiptment. They sent me 31 spline
> shafts instead of the 28 spline that a regular GT uses. 3 corners
> have been repaired from the wifes misshaps and one that needs to be
> repaired, caused by me(the reason I had to replace the axles).
>
> (RANT Off)
>
> Sorry to have bothered anyone who read this far but i had to get it
> out of my system. Thanks for reading.
>
> ...Ron
> --
> 68' Camaro RS
> 88' Firebird Formula
> 00' Mustang GT Vert



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Old 12-02-2005, 18:01   #4 (permalink)
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Shut up Warman. Oh and merry xmas you cantankerous old fart.


Jim Warman wrote:
> I can understand your frustration..... you are getting the run-around and
> the people you are dealing with appear to be something quite a bit less than
> professional.
>
> Now, I'm going to sound like a Yankee basher, but (in all honesty) I do hold
> the United States and its citizenry in high regard...... However, just
> because it's "your" way, doesn't mean it's the "right" way.
>
> In Canada, to become a journeyman auto tech, I go through a 4 year
> apprenticeship. Two months of each year is spent at a learning
> institution... the idea being that I will be taught the theory that my
> mentor may have trouble relating or overlooking. In the remaing 10 months I
> must acquire 1200 hours of practical experience so that I am allowed to
> attend the next level classroom training. In the US, all I need is a hammer
> and a crescent wrench and I can set up shop.....
>
> Add (and I am going to catch supreme shit for this thought....) that it
> appears, from watching the evening news and such, that it is almost
> acceptable for a Yank to screw a Yank but woe betide anyone messing with the
> status quo. Again, this is not a judgement... it is merely an outside
> observation.... the face that the world sees....
>
> I understand that some states have enacted legislation requiring mechanics
> to prove, beyond a doubt, that a repair or parts replacement was justified.
> This is cleaning up the mess after it has happened. To require tech
> "wannabes" to undergo an apprenticeship period, may help to clean up the
> mess "before" it happens.
>
> Situations like these are much more complicated than they appear to be at
> first glance..... this doesn't justify anything but I feel the need to
> mention it because there is no simple fix for a system that allows any hack
> to call him/herself a mechanic with no background to instill the knowledge,
> the experience and the logic required to successfully persue this career
> choice.
>
>
> "RSCamaro" <rscamero@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:438f91de.90429234@news.verizon.net...
>
>>(RANT ON)
>>
>>Murphy has been less than kind to me lately. Had like a week strait
>>rain storm here a few weeks back and of course some seepage got into
>>the car. My problem was that I started it up and left my house only
>>to discover that I had lost my dash board a couple of miles down the
>>road. I pull it into a church lot and shut it down and of course it
>>won't restart. Tow strapped it home the next day and tore the dash
>>apart looking for water stains or what part got washed out. I
>>couldn't find any signs of wetness.
>>
>>I had to build up some cash before I sent it to my local Dealer so it
>>sat for a couple of weeks. I tried to start it every other day or so
>>and got it to run a couple of times, but the next day or even that
>>same day it wouldn't restart. Off she goes to the dealership on
>>Monday.
>>
>>Get a call from wifey on Tuesday that they say that it's the fuel pump
>>and I told her to have them make the repairs. I was busy at the time
>>of the call... Anyway I get home and immediately call the dealership
>>and get in touch with the service manager and ask what a bad fuel pump
>>has to do with the dash assembly not operating.
>>
>>I get put on hold while he goes out and asks the mechanic a question.
>>Comes back and says the PID says that the fuel pump is bad. This is
>>what they have found so far. There could be other problems.
>>
>>I ask again what that has to do with the dash assembly not working? I
>>get the answer that they found a cracked fillerneck... ??? Ok, OK, So
>>what does that have to do with my car being able to start up at least
>>twice with a complete dash and running for 2 to 3 hours and revving it
>>up to 5 grand a few times to see if it had a weak fuel pump?
>>
>>I was put on hold again...
>>
>>He comes back on and tells me that he has 3 mechanics working
>>dilligently on it right now, to which I reply that I don't need you
>>guys chasing parts around the shop and that was why I was giving them
>>a call to make sure that they knew all of the information that could
>>be had.
>>
>>I get the next call today from my wife. She called looking for an
>>estimated time of repair, and was told that the mechanic (singular)
>>left sick and went to the doctors. She also told my wife that she only
>>knows that there is something wrong with the dash assembly.
>>
>>I know that the dash works fine when the car is running, which pipe
>>wrench should I carry into the dealership when I can't stand it no
>>more, the aluminum 18", aluminum 24", or the cast steel 36" one?
>>
>>I've spent tons of cash in this car since I bought it. Replaced 4
>>tires, 4 rotors, brake shoes on all 4 corners, shocks and struts on
>>all 4 corners, had to replace the axles due to the tires which was a
>>fiasco thanks to Summit Racing Equiptment. They sent me 31 spline
>>shafts instead of the 28 spline that a regular GT uses. 3 corners
>>have been repaired from the wifes misshaps and one that needs to be
>>repaired, caused by me(the reason I had to replace the axles).
>>
>>(RANT Off)
>>
>>Sorry to have bothered anyone who read this far but i had to get it
>>out of my system. Thanks for reading.
>>
>> ...Ron
>>--
>>68' Camaro RS
>>88' Firebird Formula
>>00' Mustang GT Vert

>
>
>

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Old 12-02-2005, 23:01   #5 (permalink)
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:57:56 GMT, rscamero@hotmail.com (RSCamaro)
wrote:

It still isn't back yet. 4 days so far and they told my wife that the
Dash assembly is bad. Estimated at $900 so far in repairs. It's a
good thing I asked my wife to tell them that I want all of the old
parts back, asked her to call back again tomorrow morning to make sure
that they understand that I want all of the parts back. No hope for
getting it back until at least Monday and the rental car cost is
killing me too boot. Unacceptable! I'm a service technician in
another field and if I couldn't solve the problem in 4 days I'd be in
big doo doo trouble.

I guess I'll just haveto buy a laptop and the appropriate programs to
do my own work from now on.

...Ron
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88' Firebird Formula
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