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#1 ·
DOSE ANY ONE KNOW ANY SITE'S ON THE 5.0L CAMMER ENGINE??????
 
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#3 ·
bigblack wrote:
> DOSE ANY ONE KNOW ANY SITE'S ON THE 5.0L CAMMER ENGINE??????


Hey bigblack, first lose the all caps. Some folks are sensitive about
the use of those.

How's this?

Ford Racing Technology will revolutionize the crate-engine concept when
its new 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine becomes available in 2003.
Instead of modifying a standard production engine to suit non-stock
applications, Ford Racing specifically designed the Cammer to be one of
the most technologically advanced crate engines any manufacturer has
ever offered.

This high-performance retrofit is an all-aluminum, overhead-cam,
4-valve engine that is a perfect repowering upgrade for vintage
Mustangs, street rods, and classic truck projects.

According to Ford Racing Technology engine engineer Andy Schwartz,
"The 5.0-liter Cammer delivers a healthy 425-430 horsepower at 6700
rpm. The torque curve peaks with 370 foot-pounds at 4000 rpm."

The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine is based on the SVT Mustang Cobra's
4.6-liter 4-valve V-8. However, the crate version has several unique
qualities and components, including:

Larger cylinders (94mm vs. 90.2mm) for 5.0 liters of piston
displacement
Flanged cylinder liners
Reinforced crankcase web areas
Forged pistons
11.0:1 compression ratio
Ported heads
Higher-lift cams (12mm vs. 10mm)
Beehive-shaped valve springs to accommodate the higher lift
Modified roller-finger followers
Multi-layer steel-insert head gaskets
Higher-flow fuel injectors
3-piece cast-magnesium variable geometry intake manifold
Higher-flow, dual-cone-spray fuel injectors
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will be shipped with a stock Mustang
Cobra oil pan and exhaust manifolds. Installation will be eased
substantially by a choice of six different 4.6-liter 4-valve modular
wiring harnesses being created specifically for the 5.0-liter Cammer
crate engine.

"We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam technology," said
Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing Technology. "This is the future for
tuners, project-vehicle builders and aftermarket car and truck
enthusiasts. There's no reason why a crate engine can't start and
perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines in production
automobiles and trucks do. The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will
provide top performance, a slick underhood appearance and excellent
driveability without the hassles attached to carburetors and
distributors."

Patrick
'93 Cobra
 
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#4 ·
NoOp Patrick wrote:

> "We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam
> technology," said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing
> Technology. "This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle
> builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts.
> There's no reason why a crate engine can't start and
> perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines
> in production automobiles and trucks do.


Well I can think of one real big reason: MSRP $14,995.00. Others:
dimensions 39" wide, 37" tall, 35" long, and weight 669 lbs.

(
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=6787
).

Comparable numbers for a generic 400 hp $3500 iron head Chevy 383 are
26" wide, 27" tall, and 26" long and weight 535 lbs. Subtract 75 lbs
for aluminum heads.

(
http://www.westechperformance.com/pages/Tech_Library/Popular_Engine_Specs/dimensions.html
)

For $15,000 you can build a 700+ hp turbo motor.

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#5 ·
<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote
> For $15,000 you can build a 700+ hp turbo motor.


No Shit. I have ~450 for just over $4k. About $10/HP.
--
Scott W.
'66 Mustang HCS 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
 
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#6 ·
On 6 Apr 2005 18:14:55 -0700, one80out@hotmail.com wrote:

>NoOp Patrick wrote:
>
>> "We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam
>> technology," said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing
>> Technology. "This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle
>> builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts.
>> There's no reason why a crate engine can't start and
>> perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines
>> in production automobiles and trucks do.

>
>Well I can think of one real big reason: MSRP $14,995.00. Others:
>dimensions 39" wide, 37" tall, 35" long, and weight 669 lbs.
>
>(
>http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=6787
>).
>
>Comparable numbers for a generic 400 hp $3500 iron head Chevy 383 are
>26" wide, 27" tall, and 26" long and weight 535 lbs. Subtract 75 lbs
>for aluminum heads.
>
>(
>http://www.westechperformance.com/pages/Tech_Library/Popular_Engine_Specs/dimensions.html
>)
>
>For $15,000 you can build a 700+ hp turbo motor.
>
>180 Out


Or, $17,000 for a crate Hemi putting out about 650hp. But no a/c pump.
:)
-Rich
 
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#7 ·
"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> On 6 Apr 2005 18:14:55 -0700, one80out@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>NoOp Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> "We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam
>>> technology," said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing
>>> Technology. "This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle
>>> builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts.
>>> There's no reason why a crate engine can't start and
>>> perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines
>>> in production automobiles and trucks do.

>>
>>Well I can think of one real big reason: MSRP $14,995.00. Others:
>>dimensions 39" wide, 37" tall, 35" long, and weight 669 lbs.
>>
>>(
>>http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=6787
>>).
>>
>>Comparable numbers for a generic 400 hp $3500 iron head Chevy 383 are
>>26" wide, 27" tall, and 26" long and weight 535 lbs. Subtract 75 lbs
>>for aluminum heads.
>>
>>(
>>http://www.westechperformance.com/pages/Tech_Library/Popular_Engine_Specs/dimensions.html
>>)
>>
>>For $15,000 you can build a 700+ hp turbo motor.
>>
>>180 Out

>
> Or, $17,000 for a crate Hemi putting out about 650hp. But no a/c pump.
> :)
> -Rich


For $17,500 you can buy my very OT 74 Camaro ready to run. It runs 9.12 @
153 MPH. Runs SC, the dial is 9.18. Have the timing set at 36 to keep it
slow. With me in it weight is about 2,530. Calculate that horsepower:)

Al
 
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#8 ·
I get 707. ((153/234)^3 x 2530.) Yikes.

But at $17,500 that's $24 per hp. Scott's Ford has got you beat on
dollars/hp. :(

Do you think that Camaro would make a good training car for a beginner?
Does it have a/c?

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<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I get 707. ((153/234)^3 x 2530.) Yikes.
>
> But at $17,500 that's $24 per hp. Scott's Ford has got you beat on
> dollars/hp. :(
>
> Do you think that Camaro would make a good training car for a beginner?
> Does it have a/c?
>
> 180 Out


AC, no problem. I'll take off the Filter One and put on an AC filter:) Good
training car? Sure thing, especially if you have some good life insurance.
You will have to get an NHRA license. So you get some professional training
and a FAA like check up by a doctor. I'm a few months for my 60th birthday,
and I can drive it.

Search Racingjunk for it: Ad #401989

Al
 
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#10 ·
Big Al wrote:

> Search Racingjunk for it:  Ad #401989


I checked it out. That thing is scary lookin.
http://www.racingjunk.com/ui/2/9/694-1112052333029.jpg Too bad it's a
'78; if it were a '75 or older I could street license it in Cali. At
least the front suspension is on-topic, for a Mustang II anyway. I
guess I could Google this, but what's a "Ron's toilet"?

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(What happened to the "Big" in the sig? Should it be "Skinny Al"?)
 
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<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Big Al wrote:

> Search Racingjunk for it: Ad #401989


I checked it out. That thing is scary lookin.
http://www.racingjunk.com/ui/2/9/694-1112052333029.jpg Too bad it's a
'78; if it were a '75 or older I could street license it in Cali. At
least the front suspension is on-topic, for a Mustang II anyway. I
guess I could Google this, but what's a "Ron's toilet"?

180 Out

(What happened to the "Big" in the sig? Should it be "Skinny Al"?)

Yes, I lost 50 pounds:) Ron's Toilet is a fuel injection system. This thing
goes down the street fine, on my trailer. It's about 2 inches off the
ground.

Al
 
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#12 ·
Big Al wrote:
> <one80out@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> (What happened to the "Big" in the sig? Should it be "Skinny Al"?)
>
> Yes, I lost 50 pounds:)


Since your race car's carrying 3.6 lbs per hp, that's 14 horsepower.

Speaking of 5.0 Cammers (which we were), I just saw on the
Barrett-Jackson web site that the Ford Racing Performance Products '65
fb, that was commissioned for last year's SEMA show to introduce the
Cammer crate engine, went for $135,000 at the January Scottsdale
auction.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=179864
I like the part in the B-J blurb where they describe the car's Heidt
Mustang II conversion as giving it "modern handling ability." Yeah,
the M II design came out in '75, making it 30 yrs old and only 10 years
more "modern" than the OE stuff it replaced.

There was also a Boyd Coddington '65 (also an M II conversion) $156,600
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=178352
but the one I liked best was a restomod with a 377W that pretty much
anyone could build, that went for $42,200.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=180186
So maybe there's hope yet for us hobbyists out here with too much money
in our cars, that if we step it up just that little bit more we might
actually make some money.

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