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Old 04-20-2005, 21:01   #1 (permalink)
Kidd Andersson
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'66 Mustang

Does anyone here know much about the older 'Stangs or is it all for the
new ones?

K.
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Old 04-20-2005, 21:01   #2 (permalink)
Kathy and Erich Coiner
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Re: '66 Mustang

There are a few of us vintage owners around.
Whacha wanna know?

Erich
66 coupe proud second owner since 1978
69 Mach1 perpetual project

"Kidd Andersson" <LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone here know much about the older 'Stangs or is it all for the
> new ones?
>
> K.



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Old 04-20-2005, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: '66 Mustang

Whew! Okay, I have one major question. I know absolutely nothing about
watercooled vehicles. Only aircooled (VWs). I just picked up a 66
Mustang today. There is a problem with the engine (and thanks to an
owner who didn't know what a potential gem he had, sold it to me dirt
cheap). It will start, but it will only run for a minute and die. It
will always turn over and crank, but it just won't continue to run. My
first thought was maybe it isn't getting enough gas, but it doesn't make
the typical glug glug gurgle gurgle pfffft sound I have come to know as
fuel issues. It sounds great on start up, then just dies. It still gets
power though.
I'm sure there are a million and 1 reasons for this, but could we come
up with a starting point of things for me to check? I had a cracked
distributor cap once on a van and it did this.
The engine is from a '77, and I'm pretty sure it's a 351, but I could be
wrong. Any ideas on a starting point to search for the issue?

I will have many more questions to come, especially about that
disgusting interior. :)

Thanks in advance,
Kidd


Kathy and Erich Coiner wrote:
> There are a few of us vintage owners around.
> Whacha wanna know?
>
> Erich
> 66 coupe proud second owner since 1978
> 69 Mach1 perpetual project
>

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Old 04-21-2005, 03:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: '66 Mustang

Plugged carb or fuel filter?



"Kidd Andersson" <LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3conn9F6pcreqU1@individual.net...
> Whew! Okay, I have one major question. I know absolutely nothing about
> watercooled vehicles. Only aircooled (VWs). I just picked up a 66
> Mustang today. There is a problem with the engine (and thanks to an
> owner who didn't know what a potential gem he had, sold it to me dirt
> cheap). It will start, but it will only run for a minute and die. It
> will always turn over and crank, but it just won't continue to run. My
> first thought was maybe it isn't getting enough gas, but it doesn't make
> the typical glug glug gurgle gurgle pfffft sound I have come to know as
> fuel issues. It sounds great on start up, then just dies. It still gets
> power though.
> I'm sure there are a million and 1 reasons for this, but could we come
> up with a starting point of things for me to check? I had a cracked
> distributor cap once on a van and it did this.
> The engine is from a '77, and I'm pretty sure it's a 351, but I could be
> wrong. Any ideas on a starting point to search for the issue?
>
> I will have many more questions to come, especially about that
> disgusting interior. :)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Kidd
>
>
> Kathy and Erich Coiner wrote:
> > There are a few of us vintage owners around.
> > Whacha wanna know?
> >
> > Erich
> > 66 coupe proud second owner since 1978
> > 69 Mach1 perpetual project
> >



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Old 04-21-2005, 08:01   #5 (permalink)
Erik
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Re: '66 Mustang

I had the same problem with my 1966 Econoline, I also thought it was a
fuel problem but it was an ignition failure, points were badly burned. I
replaced spark plugs, points and condensor, after this the problem never
returned.

Erik



Kidd Andersson wrote:

> Whew! Okay, I have one major question. I know absolutely nothing about
> watercooled vehicles. Only aircooled (VWs). I just picked up a 66
> Mustang today. There is a problem with the engine (and thanks to an
> owner who didn't know what a potential gem he had, sold it to me dirt
> cheap). It will start, but it will only run for a minute and die. It
> will always turn over and crank, but it just won't continue to run. My
> first thought was maybe it isn't getting enough gas, but it doesn't
> make the typical glug glug gurgle gurgle pfffft sound I have come to
> know as fuel issues. It sounds great on start up, then just dies. It
> still gets power though.
> I'm sure there are a million and 1 reasons for this, but could we come
> up with a starting point of things for me to check? I had a cracked
> distributor cap once on a van and it did this.
> The engine is from a '77, and I'm pretty sure it's a 351, but I could
> be wrong. Any ideas on a starting point to search for the issue?
>
> I will have many more questions to come, especially about that
> disgusting interior. :)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Kidd
>
>
> Kathy and Erich Coiner wrote:
>
>> There are a few of us vintage owners around.
>> Whacha wanna know?
>>
>> Erich
>> 66 coupe proud second owner since 1978
>> 69 Mach1 perpetual project
>>

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Old 04-21-2005, 10:01   #6 (permalink)
Dinsdale
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Re: '66 Mustang

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:24:48 +0200, Erik <econostang@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I had the same problem with my 1966 Econoline, I also thought it was a
>fuel problem but it was an ignition failure, points were badly burned. I
>replaced spark plugs, points and condensor, after this the problem never
>returned.
>
>Erik
>
>
>
>Kidd Andersson wrote:
>
>> Whew! Okay, I have one major question. I know absolutely nothing about
>> watercooled vehicles. Only aircooled (VWs). I just picked up a 66
>> Mustang today. There is a problem with the engine (and thanks to an
>> owner who didn't know what a potential gem he had, sold it to me dirt
>> cheap). It will start, but it will only run for a minute and die. It
>> will always turn over and crank, but it just won't continue to run. My
>> first thought was maybe it isn't getting enough gas, but it doesn't
>> make the typical glug glug gurgle gurgle pfffft sound I have come to
>> know as fuel issues. It sounds great on start up, then just dies. It
>> still gets power though.
>> I'm sure there are a million and 1 reasons for this, but could we come
>> up with a starting point of things for me to check? I had a cracked
>> distributor cap once on a van and it did this.
>> The engine is from a '77, and I'm pretty sure it's a 351, but I could
>> be wrong. Any ideas on a starting point to search for the issue?
>>
>> I will have many more questions to come, especially about that
>> disgusting interior. :)
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Kidd
>>
>>
>> Kathy and Erich Coiner wrote:
>>
>>> There are a few of us vintage owners around.
>>> Whacha wanna know?
>>>
>>> Erich
>>> 66 coupe proud second owner since 1978
>>> 69 Mach1 perpetual project
>>>


And when talk turns to ignition and early Mustangs, we know the next
topic is probably Pertronix. ;)

Take a look at the Ignitor and IgnitorII systems:
http://www.vintageperformance.com/re...onversions.htm
(That link is not an endorsement of the seller, just one of the first
links that came up in a search.)

Other increasingly involved options are the Duraspark route and many
aftermarket sytems.

I've got a Ford Motorsport electronic ignition (made by MSD) in my '65
and it was well worth it. I haven't had to adjust or replace anything
since I installed it.

Even if your problem isn't the ignition, an upgrade is something to
consider.

DP
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http://tinyurl.com/4fcsn
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: '66 Mustang

Welcome, and you picked a good group of helpful people (although there
are some who are... welllll anyway.... stick around and you'll soon
see...)

If it is ignition system.... I highly endorse conversion to electronic
ignition, no matter what brand (Pertronix, MSD, etc).

You can either go with a complete distributor, or just use upgrade
components (the way I went).

If you go with the upgrade; keeping the old distributor and replacing
the points with a module; SAVE A SET OF POINTS and toss 'em in your
tool kit in a Ziploc. That way, if the module ever fails, in a few
minutes you can be back to points long enough to get you to a parts
store and a new module.

That said... the first thing you need to do is identify that power
plant. And we have some experts on identifying the 351. I'm not one of
them : )

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:28:06 -0400, Kidd Andersson
<LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote:

>Does anyone here know much about the older 'Stangs or is it all for the
>new ones?
>
>K.


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Old 04-21-2005, 11:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: '66 Mustang

Spike wrote:
> Welcome, and you picked a good group of helpful people (although there
> are some who are... welllll anyway.... stick around and you'll soon
> see...)
>


Hehe. I happened to notice already.

>
> If you go with the upgrade; keeping the old distributor and replacing
> the points with a module; SAVE A SET OF POINTS and toss 'em in your
> tool kit in a Ziploc. That way, if the module ever fails, in a few
> minutes you can be back to points long enough to get you to a parts
> store and a new module.


Good idea. Will do.
>
> That said... the first thing you need to do is identify that power
> plant. And we have some experts on identifying the 351. I'm not one of
> them : )


I did a little poking around and now I'm thinking it's a 302. Hell, I
dunno! I wish the guy had just left the 289 in it but spit happens. I'm
not completely sure how to tell by looking what the difference is yet.
I'm way out of my element on this, but I'm willing to learn.

If you (or anyone) has helpful hints or brand suggestions for a newbie,
feel free to pass them my way!


Kidd

>
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:28:06 -0400, Kidd Andersson
> <LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone here know much about the older 'Stangs or is it all for the
>>new ones?
>>
>>K.

>
>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

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Old 04-21-2005, 13:01   #9 (permalink)
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"Erik" <econostang@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I had the same problem with my 1966 Econoline, I also thought it was a fuel
>problem but it was an ignition failure, points were badly burned. I
>replaced spark plugs, points and condensor, after this the problem never
>returned.


It could also be the choke is too tight if it's cold out. It'll start hard,
then run a few seconds, then fall flat on it's face.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
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Old 04-21-2005, 14:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: '66 Mustang

If no one has mentioned it yet.... the 351 firing order is different
from the 289/302, the heads are taller. there's more, but it's for
sure not the engine I am familiar with. In fact, I'm just getting back
into the 289 after a bunch of years with a 350 EFI in my 91 TransAM
GTA... and a 305 Camaro before that. My last 289 was back in 70/71,
and I had a 302 in 74. So, I'm back in the re-learning phase.

302 is a very common swap. Easier to do than build up a 289. Just go
to about any wrecking yard. The 351 is also pretty common in a 65/66
because, without cutting away the shock towers it's about as big as
you can get in there before the change in 67 which allowed for 390s
and more.

While questions get answered or assistance gets rendered pretty
quickly around her, sometimes it can lag a bit, so if no answer comes
in right away, you aren't being ignored. And sometimes you may have to
ask again for help. Once you get to know who to go to, you'll be able
to go right to the sources.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:17:36 -0400, Kidd Andersson
<LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> Welcome, and you picked a good group of helpful people (although there
>> are some who are... welllll anyway.... stick around and you'll soon
>> see...)
>>

>
>Hehe. I happened to notice already.


And that's just one....: )
>
>>
>> If you go with the upgrade; keeping the old distributor and replacing
>> the points with a module; SAVE A SET OF POINTS and toss 'em in your
>> tool kit in a Ziploc. That way, if the module ever fails, in a few
>> minutes you can be back to points long enough to get you to a parts
>> store and a new module.

>
>Good idea. Will do.
>>
>> That said... the first thing you need to do is identify that power
>> plant. And we have some experts on identifying the 351. I'm not one of
>> them : )

>
>I did a little poking around and now I'm thinking it's a 302. Hell, I
>dunno! I wish the guy had just left the 289 in it but spit happens. I'm
>not completely sure how to tell by looking what the difference is yet.
>I'm way out of my element on this, but I'm willing to learn.
>
>If you (or anyone) has helpful hints or brand suggestions for a newbie,
>feel free to pass them my way!
>
>
>Kidd
>
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:28:06 -0400, Kidd Andersson
>> <LittleVWGoddess@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does anyone here know much about the older 'Stangs or is it all for the
>>>new ones?
>>>
>>>K.

>>
>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16


Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
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