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Old 03-17-2005, 00:16   #1 (permalink)
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I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working on a
fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't notice at the
time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock towers and the
engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I imagining this? If not,
what'd they do to the front suspension to do this?

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:16   #2 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

John opined in news:agDWd.253$014.54@fe03.lga:

> I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working
> on a fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't
> notice at the time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock
> towers and the engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I
> imagining this? If not, what'd they do to the front suspension to do
> this?
>


They went to a Mustang II {probably replica} front suspension...a favorite
for street rodders of all stripes do a google search.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:17   #3 (permalink)
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
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> John opined in news:agDWd.253$014.54@fe03.lga:
>
>> I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working
>> on a fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't
>> notice at the time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock
>> towers and the engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I
>> imagining this? If not, what'd they do to the front suspension to do
>> this?

>
> They went to a Mustang II {probably replica} front suspension...a favorite
> for street rodders of all stripes do a google search.


Thanks. Found several sources using Google. I also looked through a few of
my magazines and catalogs, this time with my eyes open to this. There's
even one that criticizes the Mustang II design and they have their own
design (Fat Man).

Sure opens up the engine compartment, and the ads say the ride and handling
are much improved. We all know ads don't lie, so has anyone here done this?
What say you?

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:17   #4 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

John opined in news:fKXWd.1776$xV4.823@fe02.lga:

> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96117484ECA32BkMch6d@207.115.63.158...
>> John opined in news:agDWd.253$014.54@fe03.lga:
>>
>>> I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working
>>> on a fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't
>>> notice at the time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock
>>> towers and the engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I
>>> imagining this? If not, what'd they do to the front suspension to do
>>> this?

>>
>> They went to a Mustang II {probably replica} front suspension...a
>> favorite for street rodders of all stripes do a google search.

>
> Thanks. Found several sources using Google. I also looked through a
> few of my magazines and catalogs, this time with my eyes open to this.
> There's even one that criticizes the Mustang II design and they have
> their own design (Fat Man).
>
> Sure opens up the engine compartment, and the ads say the ride and
> handling are much improved. We all know ads don't lie, so has anyone
> here done this? What say you?
>


Logic and word of mouth backs that up. Thousands have spent thousands doing
it, for years.

I havent done it, but it would be first on my list if I were doing a "plain
jane" restomod.

But you'd need to stiffen the rest of the car as well to get the full effect.

Do more reseearch... on google.. even on this group. Been discussed before.





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Old 03-17-2005, 00:17   #5 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
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> John opined in news:fKXWd.1776$xV4.823@fe02.lga:
>
>> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96117484ECA32BkMch6d@207.115.63.158...
>>> John opined in news:agDWd.253$014.54@fe03.lga:
>>>
>>>> I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working
>>>> on a fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't
>>>> notice at the time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock
>>>> towers and the engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I
>>>> imagining this? If not, what'd they do to the front suspension to do
>>>> this?
>>>
>>> They went to a Mustang II {probably replica} front suspension...a
>>> favorite for street rodders of all stripes do a google search.

>>
>> Thanks. Found several sources using Google. I also looked through a
>> few of my magazines and catalogs, this time with my eyes open to this.
>> There's even one that criticizes the Mustang II design and they have
>> their own design (Fat Man).
>>
>> Sure opens up the engine compartment, and the ads say the ride and
>> handling are much improved. We all know ads don't lie, so has anyone
>> here done this? What say you?
>>

>
> Logic and word of mouth backs that up. Thousands have spent thousands
> doing
> it, for years.
>
> I havent done it, but it would be first on my list if I were doing a
> "plain
> jane" restomod.
>
> But you'd need to stiffen the rest of the car as well to get the full
> effect.
>
> Do more reseearch... on google.. even on this group. Been discussed
> before.


I'll do that. I'm thinking of changing my future project from a '69 mach 1
to a '68 coupe W code (clone, of course). I figure that would save me about
$10K in the long run, if I buy a rust free recent restoration.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:17   #6 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

In article <KI6Xd.1858$cO4.364@fe02.lga>, John
<mooresjc@chartermi.deletethisandonedot.net> wrote:

> I'll do that. I'm thinking of changing my future project from a '69 mach 1
> to a '68 coupe W code (clone, of course). I figure that would save me about
> $10K in the long run, if I buy a rust free recent restoration.
>
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Sorry for jumping in late, but where would you be saving 10 grand?

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:18   #7 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

>From NADA classic car prices:

a '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $27,540 average retail.

a '68 2 door hardtop w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $11,875 average
retail.

The difference is > $15,000. (OK, I was low, but it'll probably take
some of that 5 grand to make them equal)

The demand for the Mach 1 is probably the cause.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:18   #8 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
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> John opined in news:fKXWd.1776$xV4.823@fe02.lga:
>
>> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@Yaywho.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96117484ECA32BkMch6d@207.115.63.158...
>>> John opined in news:agDWd.253$014.54@fe03.lga:
>>>
>>>> I saw a few minutes of American Hot Rod last night. They were working
>>>> on a fastback. The year, I'm guessing was a '67, right? I didn't
>>>> notice at the time, but afterwards I seem to remember it had no shock
>>>> towers and the engine compartment was straight and roomy. Am I
>>>> imagining this? If not, what'd they do to the front suspension to do
>>>> this?
>>>
>>> They went to a Mustang II {probably replica} front suspension...a
>>> favorite for street rodders of all stripes do a google search.

>>
>> Thanks. Found several sources using Google. I also looked through a
>> few of my magazines and catalogs, this time with my eyes open to this.
>> There's even one that criticizes the Mustang II design and they have
>> their own design (Fat Man).
>>
>> Sure opens up the engine compartment, and the ads say the ride and
>> handling are much improved. We all know ads don't lie, so has anyone
>> here done this? What say you?
>>

>
> Logic and word of mouth backs that up. Thousands have spent thousands
> doing
> it, for years.
>
> I havent done it, but it would be first on my list if I were doing a
> "plain
> jane" restomod.
>
> But you'd need to stiffen the rest of the car as well to get the full
> effect.
>
> Do more reseearch... on google.. even on this group. Been discussed
> before


Before I go searching, let me test my memory. You are referring to subframe
connectors, right? If I remove the shock towers, I can't use those that
connect there. Did I miss one?

Yep. I just google'd. The shock tower connectors are called export braces,
and did I miss the Monte Carlo bar?

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:18   #9 (permalink)
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Re: American Hot Rod

In article <1110249779.731307.276300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
John <mooresjc@chartermi.net> wrote:

> >From NADA classic car prices:

>
> a '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $27,540 average retail.
>
> a '68 2 door hardtop w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $11,875 average
> retail.
>
> The difference is > $15,000. (OK, I was low, but it'll probably take
> some of that 5 grand to make them equal)
>
> The demand for the Mach 1 is probably the cause.
>


OK, so you were talking about initial cost. If you were going to
make a W clone, you'd have to consider that it would eventually cost
you more than a Mach I, and that there is still no conclusive evidence
that any of those cars were ever produced. I know, Bill S. has claimed
to have seen one, but not a single legit accessible car is evident in
the hobby. You would basically have to use a W Cougar as an example.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:18   #10 (permalink)
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"CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote in message
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> In article <1110249779.731307.276300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> John <mooresjc@chartermi.net> wrote:
>
>> >From NADA classic car prices:

>>
>> a '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $27,540 average retail.
>>
>> a '68 2 door hardtop w/ 390 and 4 speed is reported as $11,875 average
>> retail.
>>
>> The difference is > $15,000. (OK, I was low, but it'll probably take
>> some of that 5 grand to make them equal)
>>
>> The demand for the Mach 1 is probably the cause.
>>

>
> OK, so you were talking about initial cost. If you were going to
> make a W clone, you'd have to consider that it would eventually cost
> you more than a Mach I, and that there is still no conclusive evidence
> that any of those cars were ever produced. I know, Bill S. has claimed
> to have seen one, but not a single legit accessible car is evident in
> the hobby. You would basically have to use a W Cougar as an example.


I was actually thinking total cost since no matter which one I eventually
do, it is going to have a W code in it, so that's going to be about about a
wash between the two options. I understand it'll be a ULC (urban legend
clone). Sorry Bill, I know you know what you saw, but that's the best
description I can think of. Yes, the W Cougar will be my go-by. Looks like
I need to shop for more manuals! It might be the same manual set for the
'68 Mustang and a W Cougar in '68. I'll look later.

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