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Old 09-14-2005, 22:01   #1 (permalink)
Rich
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Another safety scam on the way

Did you see it on the news? The car companies have been
working on it for 10 years. A hood that bucks upward at the back
when a pedestrian is struck by the front of the car. The hood
jumps upward on springs (or something) loaded at the rear.
The idea being that the person being throw onto the hood won't
impact with the hood and then the engine and instead will hit
a kind of compressible surface.
So, how much will these pistons cost to replace when they (inevitably)
fail or are used? $600 ea? $1000? Looks like accident preventatives
(like air bags) have become the cash cows of the auto industry. And
to think they used to turn up their noses at the idea of safety!
Who KNEW it could be so lucrative??
-Rich
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Old 09-14-2005, 23:01   #2 (permalink)
Jim Warman
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Re: Another safety scam on the way

What price is safety??? Crumple zones, Nader pins, SRS systems and God knows
how many other improvements/changes have been made over the life of the
automobile. The weak zones in a hood combined with the design of the hinges
that keep you from being decapitated, redundancy in braking systems, seats
designed to reduce the possibility of whiplash. Which of these safety
improvement would you like to see deleted in order to save money that you
might not get a chance to spend?

Each and every day, people abdicate their responsibility in their own
actions, they defy common sense and we, as a society, need to be protected
from them and from ourselves if we turn into them (some of us will).

Look at it this way... if you get jostled off a busy street corner. wouldn't
you be happy to find out that the car that hit you was equipped with a "cash
cow"?

FWIW, life safety has become de riguer in our daily lives.... I live and
work in industries that are quite a bit more dangerous than you will find in
Toronto. WCB, OSHA and NIOSH have each developed requirements to reduce the
incidence of lost time injuries and fatalities. These added steps, checks
and certifications have each added to the cost of consumer goods across the
board.... We can't put a price on human life or suffering and it is
shortsighted to complain about safety features when it may be that, someday,
it may be us as individuals that benefit from them...


"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:1grhi190ucdaboe0p254ik7p9tiv7iuv0a@4ax.com...
> Did you see it on the news? The car companies have been
> working on it for 10 years. A hood that bucks upward at the back
> when a pedestrian is struck by the front of the car. The hood
> jumps upward on springs (or something) loaded at the rear.
> The idea being that the person being throw onto the hood won't
> impact with the hood and then the engine and instead will hit
> a kind of compressible surface.
> So, how much will these pistons cost to replace when they (inevitably)
> fail or are used? $600 ea? $1000? Looks like accident preventatives
> (like air bags) have become the cash cows of the auto industry. And
> to think they used to turn up their noses at the idea of safety!
> Who KNEW it could be so lucrative??
> -Rich



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Old 09-14-2005, 23:01   #3 (permalink)
John Shepardson
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Re: Another safety scam on the way

I saw a VW commercial today that had this. I thought I was seeing
things. It was the dumbest ad I had ever seen. I thought the front
bumper fell off or something after a guy chasing a soccer ball ran into
the passat. Didn't get it at all.

My only thought was, I would never, in a hundred years buy a VW after
seeing this stoopid ad. Not that I would have in the first place.

John
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Old 09-15-2005, 13:01   #4 (permalink)
Backyard Mechanic
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Re: Another safety scam on the way

Come on, Jim

What's the chance of having that need? Far less than 5% of the actual
need for airbag deployment, would be my guess.

That guy ought'a just be happy he's hitting a windshield rather than
being impaled on a 55 or 56 chebby hood orno.

:)

"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in
news:Bw7We.239522$HI.182395@edtnps84:

> What price is safety??? Crumple zones, Nader pins, SRS systems and God
> knows how many other improvements/changes have been made over the life
> of the automobile. The weak zones in a hood combined with the design
> of the hinges that keep you from being decapitated, redundancy in
> braking systems, seats designed to reduce the possibility of whiplash.
> Which of these safety improvement would you like to see deleted in
> order to save money that you might not get a chance to spend?
>
> Each and every day, people abdicate their responsibility in their own
> actions, they defy common sense and we, as a society, need to be
> protected from them and from ourselves if we turn into them (some of
> us will).
>
> Look at it this way... if you get jostled off a busy street corner.
> wouldn't you be happy to find out that the car that hit you was
> equipped with a "cash cow"?
>
> FWIW, life safety has become de riguer in our daily lives.... I live
> and work in industries that are quite a bit more dangerous than you
> will find in Toronto. WCB, OSHA and NIOSH have each developed
> requirements to reduce the incidence of lost time injuries and
> fatalities. These added steps, checks and certifications have each
> added to the cost of consumer goods across the board.... We can't put
> a price on human life or suffering and it is shortsighted to complain
> about safety features when it may be that, someday, it may be us as
> individuals that benefit from them...
>
>
> "Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:1grhi190ucdaboe0p254ik7p9tiv7iuv0a@4ax.com...
>> Did you see it on the news? The car companies have been
>> working on it for 10 years. A hood that bucks upward at the back
>> when a pedestrian is struck by the front of the car. The hood
>> jumps upward on springs (or something) loaded at the rear.
>> The idea being that the person being throw onto the hood won't
>> impact with the hood and then the engine and instead will hit
>> a kind of compressible surface.
>> So, how much will these pistons cost to replace when they
>> (inevitably) fail or are used? $600 ea? $1000? Looks like accident
>> preventatives (like air bags) have become the cash cows of the auto
>> industry. And to think they used to turn up their noses at the idea
>> of safety! Who KNEW it could be so lucrative??
>> -Rich

>
>


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Old 09-15-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Another safety scam on the way

Those old hood ornaments in the rectum really wrecked 'em....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:55:44 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

>Come on, Jim
>
>What's the chance of having that need? Far less than 5% of the actual
>need for airbag deployment, would be my guess.


(The follow sarcasm about safety is intended......and Jim, this is not
knocking your view on safety.... it's my view on the whole quagmire
that safety has become. )

BM
It's sorta like.....
10 zillion kids have grown up riding bikes, wagons, skateboards,
scooters, roller skates and blades, and

half a mamaillion have been injured in all of modern history.

Of those injured; from road burn to broken heads, 237 have been
permanently debilitated

so let's pass a law that mandates that every kid wear a helmet... and
if your family can't afford a helmet... then you aren't allowed to
ride, etc... leave that for the affluent families....

What about the kids who slide down hills on cardboard sheets? Ride
sleds and toboggans? Play on the school yard equipment? Use a
trampoline at home?

There is safety, and then there is idiocy. Let's make sure nobody is
responsible for themselves and there own safety. Let's give people a
false sense of security and fool them into thinking it's Ok if their
kid rides a bike into the street without looking because he's got a
helmet, and cars have this fancy safety hood.... except not all cars
have them.

I recall the good ol' safety bumper. Know how many cops were injured
when those things let go. A warning was sent out nation wide to warn
cops not to stand between vehicles while copying a license plate
number.

OSHA regulations are OK to a point, but even those go way over the
top. (Then states and businesses add their own restrictions on top of
that... like AFOSH, Cal OSHA, etc) Back in the day, you could bring
your kid to the job site to learn the family business first hand.
Locally, a contractor had his kid on the site operating a Bobcat to
clean up debris. He got fined royally and the kid was prohibited from
being on any site.

Next we'll have cars with capsules like hydroplanes. Each person
wrapped in a cocoon. And why not an ejection system like an F-111...
where the entire cockpit is an escape capsule. At the first point of
impact, explosive bolts let go, and rocket motors propel the passenger
compartment high into the air, where 'chuts deploy to gently lower it
back to earth.

Just how far are we going to have the government regulate our daily
lives?

>
>That guy ought'a just be happy he's hitting a windshield rather than
>being impaled on a 55 or 56 chebby hood orno.
>
>:)
>
>"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in
>news:Bw7We.239522$HI.182395@edtnps84:
>
>> What price is safety??? Crumple zones, Nader pins, SRS systems and God
>> knows how many other improvements/changes have been made over the life
>> of the automobile. The weak zones in a hood combined with the design
>> of the hinges that keep you from being decapitated, redundancy in
>> braking systems, seats designed to reduce the possibility of whiplash.
>> Which of these safety improvement would you like to see deleted in
>> order to save money that you might not get a chance to spend?
>>
>> Each and every day, people abdicate their responsibility in their own
>> actions, they defy common sense and we, as a society, need to be
>> protected from them and from ourselves if we turn into them (some of
>> us will).
>>
>> Look at it this way... if you get jostled off a busy street corner.
>> wouldn't you be happy to find out that the car that hit you was
>> equipped with a "cash cow"?
>>
>> FWIW, life safety has become de riguer in our daily lives.... I live
>> and work in industries that are quite a bit more dangerous than you
>> will find in Toronto. WCB, OSHA and NIOSH have each developed
>> requirements to reduce the incidence of lost time injuries and
>> fatalities. These added steps, checks and certifications have each
>> added to the cost of consumer goods across the board.... We can't put
>> a price on human life or suffering and it is shortsighted to complain
>> about safety features when it may be that, someday, it may be us as
>> individuals that benefit from them...
>>
>>
>> "Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:1grhi190ucdaboe0p254ik7p9tiv7iuv0a@4ax.com...
>>> Did you see it on the news? The car companies have been
>>> working on it for 10 years. A hood that bucks upward at the back
>>> when a pedestrian is struck by the front of the car. The hood
>>> jumps upward on springs (or something) loaded at the rear.
>>> The idea being that the person being throw onto the hood won't
>>> impact with the hood and then the engine and instead will hit
>>> a kind of compressible surface.
>>> So, how much will these pistons cost to replace when they
>>> (inevitably) fail or are used? $600 ea? $1000? Looks like accident
>>> preventatives (like air bags) have become the cash cows of the auto
>>> industry. And to think they used to turn up their noses at the idea
>>> of safety! Who KNEW it could be so lucrative??
>>> -Rich

>>
>>


Spike
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Gad what fools these morons be....
Children are obscene but should not be heard
Give me a peperoni pizza... or give me a calzone!
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Old 09-15-2005, 18:01   #6 (permalink)
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I dunno.... like sprinklers in an office building, life jackets on a boat or
any other number of safety devices. None of these are ever installed with
the plan being to use them - rather we pray that we never have to use them.

So... we establish that few lives will be save by having these devices
around. If we imagine human life as being expendable..... especially in the
name of economy, we can abandon all manner of safety devices and checks....
It's a piffling detail that one of these devices *may* save our own sorry
asses one day.

Now.... do we continue to allow people to die even though we have the
technology to prevent these deaths? Would we feel the same if members of our
own families became "fodder"?

Do I plan on using my airbag? No.... Is there a chance I might use my
airbag? Yep...



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Old 09-15-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:20:33 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:

>What price is safety??? Crumple zones, Nader pins, SRS systems and God knows
>how many other improvements/changes have been made over the life of the
>automobile. The weak zones in a hood combined with the design of the hinges
>that keep you from being decapitated, redundancy in braking systems, seats
>designed to reduce the possibility of whiplash. Which of these safety
>improvement would you like to see deleted in order to save money that you
>might not get a chance to spend?


All except seat belts. Make them mandatory in every state. Six
demerit points if not worn, except for medical reasons.
You'll save FAR more lives than the air bags, etc, simply by enforcing
it better.
-Rich
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Old 09-15-2005, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:16:15 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote:

>I dunno.... like sprinklers in an office building, life jackets on a boat or
>any other number of safety devices. None of these are ever installed with
>the plan being to use them - rather we pray that we never have to use them.


If you installed huge airbags surrounding the bottom of every
building, you could save everyone threatened by fire, they'd simply
have to jump. Just think of the lives you could save!
At what point do we simply accept the "cost of doing business?"
When cars cost $40,000ea and up?
-Rich

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Old 09-15-2005, 19:01   #9 (permalink)
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I kind of wondered if it is one answer to road rage. How many people will
think of it as an open invitation to go ahead and try it out.

The driver is all pissed off, the idiot saunters across the street in front
of him/her, against the light, and giving him/her a kiss my ass grin. He/she
loses it, floors it and run the pedestrian dumbass down.

Yup... I can see it now. "Well, I hit him becaue my hood was supposed to
protect him!"
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"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:1grhi190ucdaboe0p254ik7p9tiv7iuv0a@4ax.com...
: Did you see it on the news? The car companies have been
: working on it for 10 years. A hood that bucks upward at the back
: when a pedestrian is struck by the front of the car. The hood
: jumps upward on springs (or something) loaded at the rear.
: The idea being that the person being throw onto the hood won't
: impact with the hood and then the engine and instead will hit
: a kind of compressible surface.
: So, how much will these pistons cost to replace when they (inevitably)
: fail or are used? $600 ea? $1000? Looks like accident preventatives
: (like air bags) have become the cash cows of the auto industry. And
: to think they used to turn up their noses at the idea of safety!
: Who KNEW it could be so lucrative??
: -Rich


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Old 09-15-2005, 19:01   #10 (permalink)
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Kate
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"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
: All except seat belts. Make them mandatory in every state.

Uhhhhhhh... they DID that.



Six
: demerit points if not worn, except for medical reasons.
: You'll save FAR more lives than the air bags, etc, simply by enforcing
: it better.
: -Rich


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