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Old 11-17-2005, 12:01   #1 (permalink)
unixzip@yahoo.com
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Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

http://www.steeda.ca/catalogue_product_768.asp

Here in Northern NJ, I have never seen a Mustang on a street with a
roll bar. Soon I will give my 2K GT 'vert to my son who is about to
get his license and wanted to make it a bit safer.

I'm just not sure if the absence of roll bars means they are too
difficult to install or Mustang drivers are just not that concerned
with rollovers. For $300 or so, having a roll bar would seem very
prudent to me. Before I order one, is there something important I'm
missing. According to Steeda rep, it's a piece of cake to install.

Thanks
Ron

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Old 11-17-2005, 14:01   #2 (permalink)
Bob Willard
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

unixzip@yahoo.com wrote:

>http://www.steeda.ca/catalogue_product_768.asp
>
>Here in Northern NJ, I have never seen a Mustang on a street with a
>roll bar. Soon I will give my 2K GT 'vert to my son who is about to
>get his license and wanted to make it a bit safer.
>
>I'm just not sure if the absence of roll bars means they are too
>difficult to install or Mustang drivers are just not that concerned
>with rollovers. For $300 or so, having a roll bar would seem very
>prudent to me. Before I order one, is there something important I'm
>missing. According to Steeda rep, it's a piece of cake to install.
>
>Thanks
>Ron
>
>
>


Giving a 140MPH car to a young male driver is nuts, IMHO, with or w/o
a roll bar. I suggest that you save the $300 on the roll bar, and spend
it on a governor and/or a black-box recorder. {I still remember what
this fool did as a teenage driver, and it wasn't pretty.}

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Old 11-17-2005, 16:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?


<unixzip@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132255883.100990.78910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.steeda.ca/catalogue_product_768.asp
>
> Here in Northern NJ, I have never seen a Mustang on a street with a
> roll bar. Soon I will give my 2K GT 'vert to my son who is about to
> get his license and wanted to make it a bit safer.
>
> I'm just not sure if the absence of roll bars means they are too
> difficult to install or Mustang drivers are just not that concerned
> with rollovers. For $300 or so, having a roll bar would seem very
> prudent to me. Before I order one, is there something important I'm
> missing. According to Steeda rep, it's a piece of cake to install.
>


Personally, I wouldn't put much faith in *any* "bolt-in" roll bar,
especially a 4-point bar. If you are really concerned that he might flip the
car, don't skimp, invest in a good 6-point welded bar.

It really would take a valiant effort, horrible luck or sheer stupidity to
roll these cars. You already know that, though, if you've been driving it
for 5 years.

Money well spent would be sending the youth to a reputable "performance"
driving school. There, he can safely explore a vehicles limits and his
capabilities. I'm not saying your boy is too young for a fast car, just
suggesting that some track time will satisfy some of that youthful curiosity
and teach him something more than parallel parking.
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Old 11-17-2005, 18:01   #4 (permalink)
Jimmy
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

Ron,

I think there's something *VERY* important you're missing. This is his
first car.

If you're worrying about doing the "prudent" thing to do, don't give
your son a car with that much power as a first car. He's probably the
best kid in the world, but unless he's getting his licence @ age 23 or
older, the SAFEST thing to do (you said you wanted to make it a bit
safer for) is store the car a few years and give it to him after he has
his licence for a long while.

Practically ALL of my friends their first cars and did INCREDIBLY STUPID
things with them. We thought it was fun at the time - now it gives me
the cold sweats. And these were cars with SIGNIFICANLY LESS horsepower
than a 2k GT 'vert.

Most welding shops can install a decent roll bar setup. But safety
always begins between the ears. There's a reason they want young kids in
the military. NO FEAR OF DANGER.

Good luck.

unixzip@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.steeda.ca/catalogue_product_768.asp
>
> Here in Northern NJ, I have never seen a Mustang on a street with a
> roll bar. Soon I will give my 2K GT 'vert to my son who is about to
> get his license and wanted to make it a bit safer.
>
> I'm just not sure if the absence of roll bars means they are too
> difficult to install or Mustang drivers are just not that concerned
> with rollovers. For $300 or so, having a roll bar would seem very
> prudent to me. Before I order one, is there something important I'm
> missing. According to Steeda rep, it's a piece of cake to install.
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>

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Old 11-17-2005, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
CBeech
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

I am 19 and drive a '91 5.0L for the 3 years I have had my license, and
I have never been in an accident. If your son is responsible, flipping
the car shoudn't be an issue, barring another driver doing something
incredibly stupid, which is actually likely given the state of all the
drivers on the road today. But anyway, I feel that the rollbar isn't
neccessary, as long as you trust your son.

Clark
'91 5.0 CHP Special Service

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Old 11-17-2005, 18:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

I think if kids want to be stupid, they'll do it in anything they get
their hands on.
Is Civic a better choice?
How long before his Rice Boy friends soup it up to do 10 sec 1/4 mile?

To me there is nothing more dangerous than an underpowered car. My GT
(stick) saved my ass quite a few times by letting me quickly move out
of the way.

The reason for bolt-on bar is mainly due to the fact that the closest
good weld shop is 2 hours away and I need to leave my car for the whole
day. I work almost every day and can't sit around all day at the shop
while my car is being worked on. I know this Steeda will not be as
strong as a 6 point bar, but it will be better that nothing at all
(IMHO).

Thanks
ROn

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Old 11-17-2005, 20:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

<unixzip@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132275750.042770.310950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I think if kids want to be stupid, they'll do it in anything they get
> their hands on.
> Is Civic a better choice?
> How long before his Rice Boy friends soup it up to do 10 sec 1/4 mile?
>
> To me there is nothing more dangerous than an underpowered car. My GT
> (stick) saved my ass quite a few times by letting me quickly move out
> of the way.
>
> The reason for bolt-on bar is mainly due to the fact that the closest
> good weld shop is 2 hours away and I need to leave my car for the whole
> day. I work almost every day and can't sit around all day at the shop
> while my car is being worked on. I know this Steeda will not be as
> strong as a 6 point bar, but it will be better that nothing at all
> (IMHO).
>
> Thanks
> ROn
>

There is one aspect of a rollbar or cage that noone has mentioned. Of course
it probably depends on your location, but most times if an insurance company
gets wind of that mod... they'll cancel your insurance. Rollbar/cage =
racing. Best you get something in writing from your agent before going ahead
with this.
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Old 11-17-2005, 21:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

Good point. And Northern NJ they pay the highest insurance around bar
none, I think.

Even more than us on the east side of the George Washington Bridge.

Jafo wrote:
> <unixzip@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1132275750.042770.310950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


>
> There is one aspect of a rollbar or cage that noone has mentioned. Of course
> it probably depends on your location, but most times if an insurance company
> gets wind of that mod... they'll cancel your insurance. Rollbar/cage =
> racing. Best you get something in writing from your agent before going ahead
> with this.

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Old 11-17-2005, 22:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Anyone install this Steeda roll bar?

It will take alot of money souping up a Civic to do 10's, where your son
wil be WELL ahead of the curve with the GT. WELL ahead.

And there is something more dangerous than an underpwoered car. An
overpowered car in the hands of a 17 year old male impressing his
girlfriend, his buddies, or some yuppie BMW'er on the Turnpike looking
to race. Just happened to me on the Taconic two weeks ago...yuppie BMW
535 tool trying to get me to race my camaro...I even slowed down and
this dope slowed down as well kept trying to get me to bite...he got to
race my cruise control...@ 55

But if a roll bar is what you're going to get for him, forget the bolt
in. A "prudent" roll cage needs to be welded. You're concerned about
him driving an underpowered car so you're giving him this one. Then go
one step further and the time to get the job done right. If you're in
Northern NJ, 2 hours from anywhere can out you in PA, NY, and or CT.
There's GOTTA be a good weld shop closer than 2 hours away from you.

Good luck in your choice.

unixzip@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think if kids want to be stupid, they'll do it in anything they get
> their hands on.
> Is Civic a better choice?
> How long before his Rice Boy friends soup it up to do 10 sec 1/4 mile?
>
> To me there is nothing more dangerous than an underpowered car. My GT
> (stick) saved my ass quite a few times by letting me quickly move out
> of the way.
>
> The reason for bolt-on bar is mainly due to the fact that the closest
> good weld shop is 2 hours away and I need to leave my car for the whole
> day. I work almost every day and can't sit around all day at the shop
> while my car is being worked on. I know this Steeda will not be as
> strong as a 6 point bar, but it will be better that nothing at all
> (IMHO).
>
> Thanks
> ROn
>

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Old 11-18-2005, 08:01   #10 (permalink)
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Sanity Check

Several others have made the point:

16 YO!

I dont care HOW responsible your son is, it ONLY takes ONE time!

And yes...I have raised FOUR sons through this... and I gave them ALL
Mustangs to drive.. but they were 2.3L Foxes
I gave them Mustnags because they were the safest cheapest easiest to
repair cars available.

And the Safety is a big key... TWO of them arguably owe their lives to
the Mustang build. Because, althoguh they were GENERALLY responsible
drivers, they made a FOOP.. one totally not at fault but saved,
nonethess.

If you INSIST on giving him that GT, then dont skimp. Besides welding in
that bar, ALSO send him to 'skidpad' school... to teach him how to REALLY
drive and how quickly he can lose control and gain it back.

I have a personal opinion that a good number of fatals occur due to the
driver 'freezing' when things get out of control. At least in an
advanced driving closed course skidpad, he might develop automatic
responses that save his life.

And he should practice skid control whenever possible... that is ONE
ticket I gladly paid for my kid when he was cited for doing do-nuts on a
snowy parking lot.


Just my opinion, from experience, including my own dumbass exploits.

unixzip@yahoo.com wrote:

> http://www.steeda.ca/catalogue_product_768.asp
>
> Here in Northern NJ, I have never seen a Mustang on a street with a
> roll bar. Soon I will give my 2K GT 'vert to my son who is about to
> get his license and wanted to make it a bit safer.
>
> I'm just not sure if the absence of roll bars means they are too
> difficult to install or Mustang drivers are just not that concerned
> with rollovers. For $300 or so, having a roll bar would seem very
> prudent to me. Before I order one, is there something important I'm
> missing. According to Steeda rep, it's a piece of cake to install.




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