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Old 06-14-2005, 00:24   #1 (permalink)
hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com
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archtaib fock up alternators

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think. battery
>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor there
>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only thing
>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a shop
>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an generator
>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i don't
>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
>

pssssssssssst foctard


read the ford manual
they call them generators

a sense line
you CRACK me up


LMFAO

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Old 06-14-2005, 11:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: archtaib fock up alternators

yeah so far two people have called them generators.. from the manual, no
less. :s though i don't think it is actually a generator. generators
don't produce enough power for new cars, unless they have overcome some of
the weaknesses of a generator, such as commutators. but as soon as one was
to elliminate the commutators, it becomes-- more or less-- an alternator.

and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual from
a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)


<hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e4ksa1plkf3h74rgkf05evtqspj99fbdn8@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think.
>>battery
>>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
>>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor
>>there
>>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only thing
>>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a shop
>>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an
>>generator
>>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i
>>don't
>>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
>>

> pssssssssssst foctard
>
>
> read the ford manual
> they call them generators
>
> a sense line
> you CRACK me up
>
>
> LMFAO
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 11:01   #3 (permalink)
Sharon K.Cooke
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Re: archtaib fock up alternators

ArchTaib wrote:
>
> yeah so far two people have called them generators.. from the manual, no
> less. :s though i don't think it is actually a generator. generators
> don't produce enough power for new cars, unless they have overcome some of
> the weaknesses of a generator, such as commutators. but as soon as one was
> to elliminate the commutators, it becomes-- more or less-- an alternator.
>
> and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual from
> a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)
>
> <hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e4ksa1plkf3h74rgkf05evtqspj99fbdn8@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think.
> >>battery
> >>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
> >>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor
> >>there
> >>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only thing
> >>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a shop
> >>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an
> >>generator
> >>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i
> >>don't
> >>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
> >>

> > pssssssssssst foctard
> >
> >
> > read the ford manual
> > they call them generators
> >
> > a sense line
> > you CRACK me up
> >
> >
> > LMFAO
> >


Alternator is a derivative of a generATOR that produces ALTERNating current;
ALTERN + ATOR = ALTERNATOR. The word's etymology goes back to Chrysler product
vehicles of around 1960. Ford & GM manuals still refer to them as generators,
which they actually are, since they GENERATE electricity.
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: archtaib fock up alternators


"Sharon K.Cooke" <scooke@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42AF1565.CECC141C@cox.net...
> ArchTaib wrote:
>>
>> yeah so far two people have called them generators.. from the manual, no
>> less. :s though i don't think it is actually a generator. generators
>> don't produce enough power for new cars, unless they have overcome some
>> of
>> the weaknesses of a generator, such as commutators. but as soon as one
>> was
>> to elliminate the commutators, it becomes-- more or less-- an alternator.
>>
>> and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual
>> from
>> a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)
>>
>> <hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:e4ksa1plkf3h74rgkf05evtqspj99fbdn8@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think.
>> >>battery
>> >>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
>> >>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor
>> >>there
>> >>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only
>> >>thing
>> >>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a
>> >>shop
>> >>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an
>> >>generator
>> >>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i
>> >>don't
>> >>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
>> >>
>> > pssssssssssst foctard
>> >
>> >
>> > read the ford manual
>> > they call them generators
>> >
>> > a sense line
>> > you CRACK me up
>> >
>> >
>> > LMFAO
>> >

>
> Alternator is a derivative of a generATOR that produces ALTERNating
> current;
> ALTERN + ATOR = ALTERNATOR. The word's etymology goes back to Chrysler
> product
> vehicles of around 1960. Ford & GM manuals still refer to them as
> generators,
> which they actually are, since they GENERATE electricity.


Good description, there rest of these were to say that they have balls and
know what they are talking about. Most were far from being correct, but they
do show the intelligence level of the posting mechanic????, yeah, right.

Mustang!!

(With a generator, don't argue, it does have a generator. Look it up).


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Old 06-14-2005, 16:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: archtaib fock up alternators

someone should seriously shoot the guy that first posted when tryng to heat
things up in here.

a gererator produces DC, an alternator produces AC that is converted to DC
through diodes.

in an alternator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by the
stationanary coils and is collected by the stationary coils, with power
supplied to the rotor via the slip rings to generate the field.

in a generator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by the
stationary coils, with power provided to the stationary coils to generate
the magnetic filed. power is collected by the rotor and passed to the
system through the bushes and commutators. the two are simply opposite.

alternators *are* superior, cheaper to manufacture, and less prone to wear.
though the current output isn't as clean as a generator-- thusly the
alternator produces three-phase power that is converted to DC for a cleaner
power.

this is as simple as i can put it, it has nothing to do with ford. if you
ARE HAVING POWER PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CAR, HAVE IT CHECKED OUT BY YOURSELF OR
SOMEONE QUALIFIED-- END OF STORY.

"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message
news:UpqdndClmPCAuzLfRVn-sQ@bright.net...
>
> "Sharon K.Cooke" <scooke@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:42AF1565.CECC141C@cox.net...
>> ArchTaib wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah so far two people have called them generators.. from the manual,
>>> no
>>> less. :s though i don't think it is actually a generator. generators
>>> don't produce enough power for new cars, unless they have overcome some
>>> of
>>> the weaknesses of a generator, such as commutators. but as soon as one
>>> was
>>> to elliminate the commutators, it becomes-- more or less-- an
>>> alternator.
>>>
>>> and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual
>>> from
>>> a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)
>>>
>>> <hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e4ksa1plkf3h74rgkf05evtqspj99fbdn8@4ax.com...
>>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think.
>>> >>battery
>>> >>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
>>> >>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor
>>> >>there
>>> >>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only
>>> >>thing
>>> >>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a
>>> >>shop
>>> >>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an
>>> >>generator
>>> >>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i
>>> >>don't
>>> >>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
>>> >>
>>> > pssssssssssst foctard
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > read the ford manual
>>> > they call them generators
>>> >
>>> > a sense line
>>> > you CRACK me up
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > LMFAO
>>> >

>>
>> Alternator is a derivative of a generATOR that produces ALTERNating
>> current;
>> ALTERN + ATOR = ALTERNATOR. The word's etymology goes back to Chrysler
>> product
>> vehicles of around 1960. Ford & GM manuals still refer to them as
>> generators,
>> which they actually are, since they GENERATE electricity.

>
> Good description, there rest of these were to say that they have balls and
> know what they are talking about. Most were far from being correct, but
> they do show the intelligence level of the posting mechanic????, yeah,
> right.
>
> Mustang!!
>
> (With a generator, don't argue, it does have a generator. Look it up).
>



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Old 06-14-2005, 16:01   #6 (permalink)
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:46:50 -0400, "Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote:

>
>"Sharon K.Cooke" <scooke@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:42AF1565.CECC141C@cox.net...
>> ArchTaib wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah so far two people have called them generators.. from the manual, no
>>> less. :s though i don't think it is actually a generator. generators
>>> don't produce enough power for new cars, unless they have overcome some
>>> of
>>> the weaknesses of a generator, such as commutators. but as soon as one
>>> was
>>> to elliminate the commutators, it becomes-- more or less-- an alternator.
>>>
>>> and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual
>>> from
>>> a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)
>>>
>>> <hueydewyandlouie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e4ksa1plkf3h74rgkf05evtqspj99fbdn8@4ax.com...
>>> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:00:31 GMT, "ArchTaib" <archtaib@hotmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>what's there to turn up? everything there makes sense.. i think.
>>> >>battery
>>> >>provides power to the car, alternator keeps batter charged, voltage
>>> >>regualtor keeps the power output in check, and there will be a sensor
>>> >>there
>>> >>somewhere to signal the guage on the dash what to display. the only
>>> >>thing
>>> >>that doesn't make sense is the term 'generator'.. i'm not sure why a
>>> >>shop
>>> >>manual would call it that, that's not what an alternator does. an
>>> >>generator
>>> >>is a simple device, really.. and incredibly inneficient and weak. i
>>> >>don't
>>> >>think they have used generators in cars in more than 25 years.
>>> >>
>>> > pssssssssssst foctard
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > read the ford manual
>>> > they call them generators
>>> >
>>> > a sense line
>>> > you CRACK me up
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > LMFAO
>>> >

>>
>> Alternator is a derivative of a generATOR that produces ALTERNating
>> current;
>> ALTERN + ATOR = ALTERNATOR. The word's etymology goes back to Chrysler
>> product
>> vehicles of around 1960. Ford & GM manuals still refer to them as
>> generators,
>> which they actually are, since they GENERATE electricity.

>
>Good description, there rest of these were to say that they have balls and
>know what they are talking about. Most were far from being correct, but they
>do show the intelligence level of the posting mechanic????, yeah, right.
>
>Mustang!!
>
>(With a generator, don't argue, it does have a generator. Look it up).


.......


Section 14-02: Generator, Integral Rear Mount Regulator-Internal Fan
Type
1998 Taurus/Sable Workshop Manual
DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION Procedure revision date: 03/16/1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charging System
The charging system is a negative ground electrical system consisting
of the
following:
a.. generator (GEN) (10300) with integral voltage regulator
b.. charging warning indicator
c.. battery (10655)
d.. associated wiring
Refer to the Wiring Diagrams for schematics and locations of
components and
wiring

hurc ast
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Old 06-14-2005, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: archtaib fock up alternators

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:05:48 +0000, ArchTaib rearranged some electrons to
form:

> and no, i'm not going to go to a ford dealer and ask to read the manual from
> a 2005 mustang. if i liked mustangs, i'd be in a mustang group ;)
>

Then stop cross posting into the mustang group please.


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Old 06-14-2005, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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ArchTaib wrote:
> someone should seriously shoot the guy that first posted when tryng to heat
> things up in here.
>
> a gererator produces DC, an alternator produces AC that is converted to DC
> through diodes.
>
> in an alternator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by the
> stationanary coils and is collected by the stationary coils, with power
> supplied to the rotor via the slip rings to generate the field.
>
> in a generator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by the
> stationary coils, with power provided to the stationary coils to generate
> the magnetic filed. power is collected by the rotor and passed to the
> system through the bushes and commutators. the two are simply opposite.
>


So what is that 8 HP Homelite thingy-majig that we fill up with gas,
start it up, and plug our appliances & lights into, when the power
fails, called?

Rob
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Old 06-14-2005, 20:01   #9 (permalink)
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ah! that's a generator. it's a self-contained unit for providing portable
power. take it apart, and you'll probably find an alternator that is good
for 120V.

"trainfan1" <lmsearing@usdatanet.net> wrote in message
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> ArchTaib wrote:
>> someone should seriously shoot the guy that first posted when tryng to
>> heat things up in here.
>>
>> a gererator produces DC, an alternator produces AC that is converted to
>> DC through diodes.
>>
>> in an alternator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by
>> the stationanary coils and is collected by the stationary coils, with
>> power supplied to the rotor via the slip rings to generate the field.
>>
>> in a generator, the electricity is generated by the rotor passing by the
>> stationary coils, with power provided to the stationary coils to generate
>> the magnetic filed. power is collected by the rotor and passed to the
>> system through the bushes and commutators. the two are simply opposite.
>>

>
> So what is that 8 HP Homelite thingy-majig that we fill up with gas, start
> it up, and plug our appliances & lights into, when the power fails,
> called?
>
> Rob



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