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Old 08-08-2005, 20:01   #1 (permalink)
NoOption5L@aol.com
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"Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
picture.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099

Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
Here were our rules:

"Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
the parking lots.

"Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).

"Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
arrested.

However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.

Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
your thoughts?

Patrick
'93 Cobra

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Old 08-08-2005, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
Richard
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

What video player does it use?

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Richard

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123552999.877511.34810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> picture.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
>
> Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
> done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
> In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
> control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
> the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
> drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
> around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
> truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
> getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
> distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
> cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
> being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
> in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
> street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
> Here were our rules:
>
> "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
> parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
> music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
> anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
> early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
> the parking lots.
>
> "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
> car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
> they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
> was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
> harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
> for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
>
> "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
> signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
> a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
> other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
> quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
> to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
> far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
> spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
> mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
> keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
> donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
> a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
> their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
> in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
> For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
> at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
> arrested.
>
> However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
> Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
> strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
> get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
> the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
>
> Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
> your thoughts?
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra
>



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Old 08-09-2005, 01:01   #3 (permalink)
Spike
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

I gotta ask, compared to Oakland, where the incidents in the article
took place, what size and demographic type town did you live in?

Places like Merced, Modesto, etc, (think American Graffiti if you have
never been there) are worlds away from Oakland, Vallejo, East LA, etc.
Totally different street codes. Totally different "machismo". Reps
mean more, and you can't let anyone cross the line into your space. If
they push you and you don't push back harder, you're a wimp and nobody
respects a wimp. All to often, as most city cops know, this is what
leads to shootings, stabbing's, gang fights, etc. Turf wars.

Yours is really American Graffiti style. I personally prefer i that
way. Everyone does a little of this, and a little of that, and they go
home in one piece. You might get popped if you hit on somebody's
girlfriend, but usually, you accepted the rebuke and moved on.

Of course, we who were in with the out crowd didn't have those kinds
of problems. We knew we'd be laughed at for drive the folks
stationwagon... or, if you were lucky enough to own a car, it was
probably something dorky like a Corvair, or A Neapolitan. LOL

On 8 Aug 2005 19:03:19 -0700, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

>Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
>picture.
>
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
>
>Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
>done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
> In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
>control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
>the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
>drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
>around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
>truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
>getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
>distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
>cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
>being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
>in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
>street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
>Here were our rules:
>
>"Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
>parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
>music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
>anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
>early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
>the parking lots.
>
>"Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
>car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
>they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
>was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
>harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
>for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
>
>"Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
>signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
>a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
>other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
>quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
>to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
>far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
>spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
>mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
>keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
>donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
>a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
>their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
>in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
> For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
>at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
>arrested.
>
>However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
>Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
>strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
>get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
>the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
>
>Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
>your thoughts?
>
>Patrick
>'93 Cobra


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Old 08-09-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

I think you're gettin' old Patrick.

Give them a place to do it, and let them have some fun.

We were going to do it anyway, they will too.

Here, there is a strip in Jackson that anyone can run anything as many times
as they want for $5.00 for the whole evening.
Last Friday night we saw Quads racing, a motorcycle that was doing some
amazing times with nitros, Hot Rods, and a dork in a PT Cruiser that had
everyone laughing but he never gave up and did better each time and so so
much more.

They get a shot at racing, get their time slips and they are in a controlled
environment. Meaning NOT on the street.

Some of the cars were pro quality, others were pretty sad, all had fun and
there were several groups having a beer along side the track and watching.
Families (like mine) everyone had fun. There was even a mom, her hubby and a
couple of her teenagers in a BMW that was not fast, but she ran about three
times and had a grin all over her face.

Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.

Kate


<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123552999.877511.34810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
: picture.
:
: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
:
: Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
: done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
: In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
: control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
: the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
: drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
: around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
: truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
: getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
: distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
: cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
: being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
: in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
: street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
: Here were our rules:
:
: "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
: parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
: music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
: anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
: early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
: the parking lots.
:
: "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
: car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
: they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
: was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
: harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
: for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
:
: "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
: signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
: a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
: other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
: quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
: to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
: far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
: spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
: mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
: keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
: donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
: a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
: their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
: in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
: For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
: at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
: arrested.
:
: However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
: Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
: strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
: get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
: the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
:
: Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
: your thoughts?
:
: Patrick
: '93 Cobra
:


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Old 08-09-2005, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
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You're lucky with something like that for only $5. They started a
street legal drag program here several years ago. I think it now costs
over $20 to get in and you're lucky to get many runs at all.

For the $5 program, do they just run the lights and forget about the
ET's? Or is it a full test-n-tune style setup?

I guess you need the ET's to determine safety equipment, to comply with
insurance, NHRA/IHRA rules for associated tracks, etc...

But it seems that it could still be stripped down to the minimum cost
for the track while keeping things within safety standards.

Unfortunately, when something like this gets popular, they immediately
start to jack up prices to turn profits. Thus it's back to the streets
where the price is free, but the risks are higher.

Steve
72 Skylark Custom455

SVTKate wrote:
> I think you're gettin' old Patrick.
>
> Give them a place to do it, and let them have some fun.
>
> We were going to do it anyway, they will too.
>
> Here, there is a strip in Jackson that anyone can run anything as many times
> as they want for $5.00 for the whole evening.
> Last Friday night we saw Quads racing, a motorcycle that was doing some
> amazing times with nitros, Hot Rods, and a dork in a PT Cruiser that had
> everyone laughing but he never gave up and did better each time and so so
> much more.
>
> They get a shot at racing, get their time slips and they are in a controlled
> environment. Meaning NOT on the street.
>
> Some of the cars were pro quality, others were pretty sad, all had fun and
> there were several groups having a beer along side the track and watching.
> Families (like mine) everyone had fun. There was even a mom, her hubby and a
> couple of her teenagers in a BMW that was not fast, but she ran about three
> times and had a grin all over her face.
>
> Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
> across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
> thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
>
> Kate
>
>
> <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1123552999.877511.34810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> : Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> : picture.
> :
> : http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
> :
> : Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
> : done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
> : In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
> : control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
> : the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
> : drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
> : around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
> : truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
> : getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
> : distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
> : cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
> : being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
> : in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
> : street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
> : Here were our rules:
> :
> : "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
> : parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
> : music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
> : anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
> : early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
> : the parking lots.
> :
> : "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
> : car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
> : they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
> : was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
> : harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
> : for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
> :
> : "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
> : signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
> : a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
> : other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
> : quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
> : to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
> : far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
> : spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
> : mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
> : keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
> : donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
> : a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
> : their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
> : in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
> : For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
> : at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
> : arrested.
> :
> : However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
> : Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
> : strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
> : get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
> : the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
> :
> : Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
> : your thoughts?
> :
> : Patrick
> : '93 Cobra
> :
>
>

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Old 08-09-2005, 18:01   #6 (permalink)
Joe
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NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1123552999.877511.34810
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> picture.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
>
> Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
> done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging

out.
> In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
> control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how

close
> the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be

either
> drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles

flinging
> around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
> truly stupid!


Totally agreed 100%. The (c)rap sound track of the video proves it.
;)

> And in the article where they are molesting women,
> getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
> distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
> cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
> being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every

once
> in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
> street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.


Absolutely.

> Here were our rules:
>
> "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in

the
> parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
> music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never

vandalized
> anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
> early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.)

in
> the parking lots.
>
> "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls

or a
> car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
> they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there

it
> was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
> harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a

reason
> for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
>
> "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
> signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised

by,
> a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if

the
> other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
> quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick

light
> to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on

the
> far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
> spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
> mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried

to
> keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are

doing
> donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did

to
> a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was

misdemeanor;
> their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump

once
> in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too

big.
> For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
> at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should

be
> arrested.


At the very least. Their cars should all be confiscated, too. Then
they should do 1200 hours of community service and never drive again.

The big difference is that these assholes have absolutely no respect
for anyone. The stuff you described above is very similar to what we
used to do - the unwritten rule was that no innocents ever got
involved. We'd take our shit away from anybody who wasn't directly
involved. Sure, we were all stupid to a degree (what kid isn't?), but
at least we respected others to the point where we didn't bother them
with our shit.

> However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.


It's a damn good start. ;)

> Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
> strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when

"exhibitions"
> get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes

to
> the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
>
> Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
> your thoughts?
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra


I totally agree - there are simply not enough outlets for what I'll
call "car enthusiasts". We need more tracks and areas for
"sideshows" that are all under controlled conditions. Hell, if some
of these idiot politicians would wake up, they'd realize they could
probably make a lot of money.

The only problem with controlled arenas is that the illegal element
won't be tolerated. That means no weed, drinking, drugs, etc.
There'd still be a large number who opt to go and do it on their own.
That's where the arrests should come in...

2 cents
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Old 08-09-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

Have a peek,
http://outlawten5.com/



"AGuyNamedSteve" <seeverist@GS455.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2KbKe.3717$RS.262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
: You're lucky with something like that for only $5. They started a
: street legal drag program here several years ago. I think it now costs
: over $20 to get in and you're lucky to get many runs at all.
:
: For the $5 program, do they just run the lights and forget about the
: ET's? Or is it a full test-n-tune style setup?
:
: I guess you need the ET's to determine safety equipment, to comply with
: insurance, NHRA/IHRA rules for associated tracks, etc...
:
: But it seems that it could still be stripped down to the minimum cost
: for the track while keeping things within safety standards.
:
: Unfortunately, when something like this gets popular, they immediately
: start to jack up prices to turn profits. Thus it's back to the streets
: where the price is free, but the risks are higher.
:
: Steve
: 72 Skylark Custom455
:
: SVTKate wrote:
: > I think you're gettin' old Patrick.
: >
: > Give them a place to do it, and let them have some fun.
: >
: > We were going to do it anyway, they will too.
: >
: > Here, there is a strip in Jackson that anyone can run anything as many
times
: > as they want for $5.00 for the whole evening.
: > Last Friday night we saw Quads racing, a motorcycle that was doing some
: > amazing times with nitros, Hot Rods, and a dork in a PT Cruiser that had
: > everyone laughing but he never gave up and did better each time and so
so
: > much more.
: >
: > They get a shot at racing, get their time slips and they are in a
controlled
: > environment. Meaning NOT on the street.
: >
: > Some of the cars were pro quality, others were pretty sad, all had fun
and
: > there were several groups having a beer along side the track and
watching.
: > Families (like mine) everyone had fun. There was even a mom, her hubby
and a
: > couple of her teenagers in a BMW that was not fast, but she ran about
three
: > times and had a grin all over her face.
: >
: > Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars
all
: > across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
: > thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: >
: > <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
: > news:1123552999.877511.34810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > : Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
: > : picture.
: > :
: > : http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
: > :
: > : Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
: > : done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging
out.
: > : In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
: > : control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
: > : the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
: > : drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
: > : around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
: > : truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
: > : getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
: > : distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
: > : cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
: > : being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every
once
: > : in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
: > : street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
: > : Here were our rules:
: > :
: > : "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
: > : parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
: > : music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
: > : anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
: > : early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
: > : the parking lots.
: > :
: > : "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or
a
: > : car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
: > : they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
: > : was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
: > : harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
: > : for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
: > :
: > : "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
: > : signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised
by,
: > : a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
: > : other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
: > : quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick
light
: > : to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
: > : far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
: > : spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
: > : mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
: > : keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are
doing
: > : donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did
to
: > : a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
: > : their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
: > : in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too
big.
: > : For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
: > : at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should
be
: > : arrested.
: > :
: > : However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
: > : Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
: > : strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
: > : get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
: > : the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
: > :
: > : Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
: > : your thoughts?
: > :
: > : Patrick
: > : '93 Cobra
: > :
: >
: >


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Old 08-09-2005, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

SVTKate wrote:

> Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
> across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
> thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
>
> Kate
>
>


"Kates Krazy Kar SideShow" Step right in and see it now!! :-P

--

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Old 08-09-2005, 22:01   #9 (permalink)
AGuyNamedSteve
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"

What kind of turnout do they get on $5 nights?

Are we talking dozens of cars or hundreds?

SVTKate wrote:
> Have a peek,
> http://outlawten5.com/
>
>
>
> "AGuyNamedSteve" <seeverist@GS455.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:2KbKe.3717$RS.262@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : You're lucky with something like that for only $5. They started a
> : street legal drag program here several years ago. I think it now costs
> : over $20 to get in and you're lucky to get many runs at all.
> :
> : For the $5 program, do they just run the lights and forget about the
> : ET's? Or is it a full test-n-tune style setup?
> :
> : I guess you need the ET's to determine safety equipment, to comply with
> : insurance, NHRA/IHRA rules for associated tracks, etc...
> :
> : But it seems that it could still be stripped down to the minimum cost
> : for the track while keeping things within safety standards.
> :
> : Unfortunately, when something like this gets popular, they immediately
> : start to jack up prices to turn profits. Thus it's back to the streets
> : where the price is free, but the risks are higher.
> :
> : Steve
> : 72 Skylark Custom455
> :
> : SVTKate wrote:
> : > I think you're gettin' old Patrick.
> : >
> : > Give them a place to do it, and let them have some fun.
> : >
> : > We were going to do it anyway, they will too.
> : >
> : > Here, there is a strip in Jackson that anyone can run anything as many
> times
> : > as they want for $5.00 for the whole evening.
> : > Last Friday night we saw Quads racing, a motorcycle that was doing some
> : > amazing times with nitros, Hot Rods, and a dork in a PT Cruiser that had
> : > everyone laughing but he never gave up and did better each time and so
> so
> : > much more.
> : >
> : > They get a shot at racing, get their time slips and they are in a
> controlled
> : > environment. Meaning NOT on the street.
> : >
> : > Some of the cars were pro quality, others were pretty sad, all had fun
> and
> : > there were several groups having a beer along side the track and
> watching.
> : > Families (like mine) everyone had fun. There was even a mom, her hubby
> and a
> : > couple of her teenagers in a BMW that was not fast, but she ran about
> three
> : > times and had a grin all over her face.
> : >
> : > Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars
> all
> : > across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
> : > thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
> : >
> : > Kate
> : >
> : >
> : > <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
> : > news:1123552999.877511.34810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> : > : Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> : > : picture.
> : > :
> : > : http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4791099
> : > :
> : > : Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
> : > : done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging
> out.
> : > : In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
> : > : control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
> : > : the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
> : > : drunk and/or high to have the ass-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
> : > : around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
> : > : truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
> : > : getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
> : > : distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
> : > : cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
> : > : being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every
> once
> : > : in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
> : > : street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
> : > : Here were our rules:
> : > :
> : > : "Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
> : > : parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
> : > : music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
> : > : anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
> : > : early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
> : > : the parking lots.
> : > :
> : > : "Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or
> a
> : > : car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
> : > : they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
> : > : was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
> : > : harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
> : > : for that guy to get his ass kicked (beat up, not killed).
> : > :
> : > : "Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
> : > : signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised
> by,
> : > : a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
> : > : other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
> : > : quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick
> light
> : > : to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
> : > : far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
> : > : spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
> : > : mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
> : > : keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are
> doing
> : > : donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did
> to
> : > : a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
> : > : their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
> : > : in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too
> big.
> : > : For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
> : > : at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should
> be
> : > : arrested.
> : > :
> : > : However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
> : > : Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
> : > : strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
> : > : get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
> : > : the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
> : > :
> : > : Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
> : > : your thoughts?
> : > :
> : > : Patrick
> : > : '93 Cobra
> : > :
> : >
> : >
>
>

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Old 08-10-2005, 08:01   #10 (permalink)
Backyard Mechanic
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Re: "Auto Side Shows" vs "Cruising"


In an age where some schools have prohibited "running on the playground"
during recess, and chase off neighborhood kids from their playgrounds..
while removing swings and climbing items or anything else where a kid might
get hurt..

Do we REALLY think that 'open comp' sanctioning for a few bucks will work?

Send a thank you note to your friendly negligence attorney... you only have
to watch tv for half an hour to find one.

And remember who votes for these things. It sure's he!! isnt usually
'fascist conservatives'. It's those people who consider it their duty to
'protect you from yourself'
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