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Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a connection
between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
melting.. apparently due to global warming.

When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
Martians.

Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a CIA
plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to hasten
the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.

Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
and New Orleans.
 
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#2 ·
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D95A76A396pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
>
>
> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a connection
> between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
> Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
> melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>
> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
> the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
> be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
>
> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
> Martians.
>
> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a CIA
> plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to hasten
> the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
>
> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
> demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
> and New Orleans.


Hmm, global warming on Mars...
That _must_ be why FEMA is stockpiling ice up in Gloucester, MA.

Now it all makes sense.
1.) Order waaaay too much ice for Katrina victims.
2.) Truck it around for a couple weeks at great expense.
3.) Hide it up in the corner of the country, in a deep freeze.
4.) Pay to store ice long enough so its value will justify the cost of a rocket
to Mars.

And I thought it was stupid to store ice, when it would be much cheaper to make
more. What a fool I've been.
--
John C.
'03 Cobra Convt.
 
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#3 ·
Oh My God!
I knew it!
I just KNEW it!

--
Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty


"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D95A76A396pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
:
:
: Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a
connection
: between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
: Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
: melting.. apparently due to global warming.
:
: When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
: the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
: be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
:
: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
: Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
: Martians.
:
: Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a
CIA
: plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to
hasten
: the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
:
: Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
: demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
: and New Orleans.
 
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#4 ·
http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW09-21-05.jpg

Backyard Mechanic wrote:
> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a connection
> between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
> Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
> melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>
> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
> the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
> be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
>
> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
> Martians.
>
> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a CIA
> plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to hasten
> the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
>
> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
> demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
> and New Orleans.
 
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#6 ·
Yeah.. it's funny, although..

Makes me wonder how many were watching Kennedy and Biden in the Roberts'
hearing and laughing along with me.

.....'cept I wasnt really laughing.. because the "Red State Idiots" look
at that boneheaded behavior and lose any trust they might have had in
their government.

"D.K.R." <stigremovethisnasty@gmail.com> wrote in
news:YdyYe.260312$HI.107355@edtnps84:

> http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW09-21-05.jpg
>
> Backyard Mechanic wrote:
>> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a
>> connection between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the
>> Bush Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are
>> rapidly melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>>
>> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the
>> cause of the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand
>> exclaimed: "Dont be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from
>> here?"
>>
>> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader
>> Attorney Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill
>> indigenous Martians.
>>
>> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting
>> a CIA plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in
>> order to hasten the economic disruptions already in the works for
>> Cuba and Venezuela.
>>
>> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey
>> Clark, demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in
>> addition to Iraq and New Orleans.
 
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#7 ·
Backyard Mechanic wrote:

> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
> Martians.
>


You know panther boy never DID answer the question "do you believe
there is a mother ship orbiting the Earth?" If that jackass
dirt-for-brains ever met a *real* Zulu, he would most certainly have a
feather laden spear shoved where the sun doesn't shine. He is an insult
to intelligant people all over the world, whether they be black or white.

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#8 ·
I am not republican or democrat, I cant be, I can't think in absolutes on
all the issues.
What I have issues with is our current president is a poor leader.
And I won't miss him when he goes.
The country is in a transition period, our mostly laxidazical ways of
raising our kids needs change.
Now this doesn't apply to all families of course because some do great jobs.
Our country still has smart people after all we created the microprocessor
and the mustang.
Of course now the chief designer of the mustang is Chinese.
But depending on a job at Target or Walmart to raise a new family wont work,
some of the jobs our dad's had yesteryear will not pay the bills today.
I don't know what will happen in the future but it will probably get worse
before it gets better.
Better education would be a great start, lets put some of the money into
that stuff.
F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we deal them.
The jobs we lost are gone until we enter another depression or some world
calamity, basically
their gone forever.
And maybe for a nation hopefully moving forward that's good thing.


Funny though...

"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D95A76A396pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
>
>
> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a

connection
> between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
> Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
> melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>
> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
> the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
> be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
>
> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
> Martians.
>
> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a

CIA
> plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to

hasten
> the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
>
> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
> demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
> and New Orleans.
 
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#9 ·
stangerbanger wrote:
> I am not republican or democrat, I cant be, I can't think in absolutes on
> all the issues.
> What I have issues with is our current president is a poor leader.
> And I won't miss him when he goes.
> The country is in a transition period, our mostly laxidazical ways of
> raising our kids needs change.
> Now this doesn't apply to all families of course because some do great jobs.
> Our country still has smart people after all we created the microprocessor
> and the mustang.
> Of course now the chief designer of the mustang is Chinese.
> But depending on a job at Target or Walmart to raise a new family wont work,
> some of the jobs our dad's had yesteryear will not pay the bills today.
> I don't know what will happen in the future but it will probably get worse
> before it gets better.
> Better education would be a great start, lets put some of the money into
> that stuff.


IMO, we already put plenty of money into education. Trouble is there is
not enough discipline in schools and too much coddling of students.
Instead of requiring students to learn, we are making excuses for their
poor performance and intellectual laziness. It is coming to the point
where we can't afford to make the low cost widgets that we desire.
People who don't educate themselves, or otherwise aren't ambitious, are
going to have less than the people that do. The reality is that anyone
that wants to earn a living making widgets will probably need to move to
China.

> F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we deal them.


Trouble is the next time the f*ck with us might be when they set a nuke
off in Times Square. I don't want to sit around waiting for that day.

> The jobs we lost are gone until we enter another depression or some world
> calamity, basically
> their gone forever.
> And maybe for a nation hopefully moving forward that's good thing.


There are PLENTY of good jobs available. The trouble is too many people
don't want to do the work to qualify for them. With just minimal post
high school education a person could have a well paying job. Fact is
that too many of the young people (and adults for that matter) today
just don't want to work hard and it will eventually catch up with them.

Over the last ten years I have tried to train young people to use
AutoCAD and to be civil engineering technicians. I finally gave up on
it because most of them didn't want to work hard enough to learn and I
became tired of wasting my time on them. Any young person today that
bothers to get a college education will have a very good career.
Especially if they get a technical degree. Also, many older people
could get well paying jobs if they would spend a little time getting
even a minimal amount of technical education at the community college of
their choice.

> Funny though...
>
> "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96D95A76A396pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
>>
>> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a

> connection
>> between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
>> Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
>> melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>>
>> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
>> the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
>> be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
>>
>> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
>> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
>> Martians.
>>
>> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a

> CIA
>> plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to

> hasten
>> the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
>>
>> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
>> demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
>> and New Orleans.

>
>
 
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#10 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:fsqdnQUk3-k0oaneRVn-gw@giganews.com:

> stangerbanger wrote:
>> I am not republican or democrat, I cant be, I can't think in
>> absolutes on all the issues.
>> What I have issues with is our current president is a poor leader.
>> And I won't miss him when he goes.
>> The country is in a transition period, our mostly laxidazical ways
>> of raising our kids needs change.
>> Now this doesn't apply to all families of course because some do
>> great jobs. Our country still has smart people after all we created
>> the microprocessor and the mustang.
>> Of course now the chief designer of the mustang is Chinese.
>> But depending on a job at Target or Walmart to raise a new family
>> wont work, some of the jobs our dad's had yesteryear will not pay
>> the bills today. I don't know what will happen in the future but it
>> will probably get worse before it gets better.
>> Better education would be a great start, lets put some of the money
>> into that stuff.

>
> IMO, we already put plenty of money into education.


With the exception of teachers' salaries. They absolutely suck. The
salaries, that is.

Also, the money that goes into education in general is
disproportionate. Some areas are awash in funds, others are
struggling. This needs to be addressed.

> Trouble is there
> is not enough discipline in schools and too much coddling of
> students. Instead of requiring students to learn, we are making
> excuses for their poor performance and intellectual laziness. It is
> coming to the point where we can't afford to make the low cost
> widgets that we desire. People who don't educate themselves, or
> otherwise aren't ambitious, are going to have less than the people
> that do. The reality is that anyone that wants to earn a living
> making widgets will probably need to move to China.


Additionally, teachers are having to become surrogate parents. There's
certainly no funding for this, and it's not fair to the kids who do
want to learn.

Disruptive and unresponsive kids should _not_ continue to be
mainstreamed in with others who want an education. Screw the political
correctness and get those kids out of the mainstream and into something
appropriate. There's where the money is badly needed - to pay for
programs that handle kids that screw up things for everybody else. And
at that point, it gets into the parent(s) and personal responsibility.

>> F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we
>> deal them.

>
> Trouble is the next time the f*ck with us might be when they set a
> nuke off in Times Square. I don't want to sit around waiting for
> that day.


We should just give everybody 5 days to leave over there, then just
drop a few dozen nukes. When the smoke clears, we can then annex
everything and own all the oil outright.

>> The jobs we lost are gone until we enter another depression or some
>> world calamity, basically
>> their gone forever.
>> And maybe for a nation hopefully moving forward that's good thing.

>
> There are PLENTY of good jobs available. The trouble is too many
> people don't want to do the work to qualify for them. With just
> minimal post high school education a person could have a well paying
> job. Fact is that too many of the young people (and adults for that
> matter) today just don't want to work hard and it will eventually
> catch up with them.


Instead of checks and food stamps, they should give these welfare baby
makers hysterectomies.

> Over the last ten years I have tried to train young people to use
> AutoCAD and to be civil engineering technicians. I finally gave up
> on it because most of them didn't want to work hard enough to learn
> and I became tired of wasting my time on them. Any young person
> today that bothers to get a college education will have a very good
> career. Especially if they get a technical degree. Also, many older
> people could get well paying jobs if they would spend a little time
> getting even a minimal amount of technical education at the community
> college of their choice.


The parents of those kids are to blame, not so much the kids. Too many
parents want to be "buddies" with their kids instead of being parents.
A lot of today's parents never grew up. They're just big kids
themselves, all looking for the easy way out and the good time. That's
why personal debt is at an all-time high.

And speaking of debt, Dubya better start figuring out where all this
money's going to come from that he's spending like it's going out of
style.
 
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#11 ·
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:fsqdnQUk3-k0oaneRVn-gw@giganews.com:
>
>> stangerbanger wrote:
>>> I am not republican or democrat, I cant be, I can't think in
>>> absolutes on all the issues.
>>> What I have issues with is our current president is a poor leader.
>>> And I won't miss him when he goes.
>>> The country is in a transition period, our mostly laxidazical ways
>>> of raising our kids needs change.
>>> Now this doesn't apply to all families of course because some do
>>> great jobs. Our country still has smart people after all we created
>>> the microprocessor and the mustang.
>>> Of course now the chief designer of the mustang is Chinese.
>>> But depending on a job at Target or Walmart to raise a new family
>>> wont work, some of the jobs our dad's had yesteryear will not pay
>>> the bills today. I don't know what will happen in the future but it
>>> will probably get worse before it gets better.
>>> Better education would be a great start, lets put some of the money
>>> into that stuff.

>> IMO, we already put plenty of money into education.

>
> With the exception of teachers' salaries. They absolutely suck. The
> salaries, that is.
>
> Also, the money that goes into education in general is
> disproportionate. Some areas are awash in funds, others are
> struggling. This needs to be addressed.


I see so much money going into the school systems and it just boggles my
mind where they spend it all. The county next to us (Fairfax) have
upped the 2006 budget over the 2005 budget by 7% to $1.9 BILLION!! That
is BILLION with a "B". They are spending almost $12,000 per pupil!
They should be graduating Einsteins by the thousands every year. For
all they spend they only exceed the national SAT average by 79 points.
The starting salary for teachers is $40,000.

>> Trouble is there
>> is not enough discipline in schools and too much coddling of
>> students. Instead of requiring students to learn, we are making
>> excuses for their poor performance and intellectual laziness. It is
>> coming to the point where we can't afford to make the low cost
>> widgets that we desire. People who don't educate themselves, or
>> otherwise aren't ambitious, are going to have less than the people
>> that do. The reality is that anyone that wants to earn a living
>> making widgets will probably need to move to China.

>
> Additionally, teachers are having to become surrogate parents. There's
> certainly no funding for this, and it's not fair to the kids who do
> want to learn.


The NEA and parents are equally responsible, IMO. As soon as a parent
goes to discipline their child the teachers get social services
involved. The whole education system has been politicized at the
expense of educating the students.

> Disruptive and unresponsive kids should _not_ continue to be
> mainstreamed in with others who want an education. Screw the political
> correctness and get those kids out of the mainstream and into something
> appropriate. There's where the money is badly needed - to pay for
> programs that handle kids that screw up things for everybody else. And
> at that point, it gets into the parent(s) and personal responsibility.


What they should do is charge the parents extra taxes if their kids are
put in a special school. That would get them involved. ;)

>>> F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we
>>> deal them.

>> Trouble is the next time the f*ck with us might be when they set a
>> nuke off in Times Square. I don't want to sit around waiting for
>> that day.

>
> We should just give everybody 5 days to leave over there, then just
> drop a few dozen nukes. When the smoke clears, we can then annex
> everything and own all the oil outright.


Now if we were the Nazi wannabees that Hank thinks we are then we would
have already made that move and nuked France just for the feel good
factor. ;)

>>> The jobs we lost are gone until we enter another depression or some
>>> world calamity, basically
>>> their gone forever.
>>> And maybe for a nation hopefully moving forward that's good thing.

>> There are PLENTY of good jobs available. The trouble is too many
>> people don't want to do the work to qualify for them. With just
>> minimal post high school education a person could have a well paying
>> job. Fact is that too many of the young people (and adults for that
>> matter) today just don't want to work hard and it will eventually
>> catch up with them.

>
> Instead of checks and food stamps, they should give these welfare baby
> makers hysterectomies.


There are plenty of jobs the government could give them in return for a
check. Have them pick up trash, lawn work, removing graffiti etc. I
guarantee they would find a better job in a matter of days or weeks.

>> Over the last ten years I have tried to train young people to use
>> AutoCAD and to be civil engineering technicians. I finally gave up
>> on it because most of them didn't want to work hard enough to learn
>> and I became tired of wasting my time on them. Any young person
>> today that bothers to get a college education will have a very good
>> career. Especially if they get a technical degree. Also, many older
>> people could get well paying jobs if they would spend a little time
>> getting even a minimal amount of technical education at the community
>> college of their choice.

>
> The parents of those kids are to blame, not so much the kids. Too many
> parents want to be "buddies" with their kids instead of being parents.
> A lot of today's parents never grew up. They're just big kids
> themselves, all looking for the easy way out and the good time. That's
> why personal debt is at an all-time high.


Parents can be buddies and "parents" too. I had both growing up. I
think they don't want the hassles of being a good parent. It's too easy
to buy them a car, give them a credit card and send them off to the
mall. Most kids in this area don't even have summer jobs. Flipping
burgers is beneath them. The thing is flipping burgers (or any other
crappy job) teaches a kid the value of getting a good job through
education. I know it worked for me.

> And speaking of debt, Dubya better start figuring out where all this
> money's going to come from that he's spending like it's going out of
> style.


Now this is where you won't get much argument from me. Dems, Repubs and
Dubya all spend too damn much. Short of a constitutional amendment to
balance the budget, this will never change. It doesn't matter who is in
office.
 
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#12 ·
Your newspaper must have dropped a paragraph after the one about
Sheehan.....

Jane Fonda immediately hired a second bus for her whistle stop protest
tour, and invited Phil Donahue and Ted Kennedy along to speak on "Air
Pollution" and "Water Pollution" respectively. Both declined. Said a
Ted Kennedy spokesperson, the threat of interrupted alcoholic beverage
supplies due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita are occupying the
Senator's comatose hours. This led PETA to immediately launch a
supporting sympathy campaign to halt the torture of rocks which have
been ripped screaming from their roots, microbes and all, by agents of
the secret NASA government in exile which has been supported
financially by Halburton.



On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:28:06 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

>
>
>Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a connection
>between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
>Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
>melting.. apparently due to global warming.
>
>When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause of
>the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed: "Dont
>be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
>
>Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
>Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
>Martians.
>
>Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a CIA
>plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to hasten
>the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
>
>Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey Clark,
>demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to Iraq
>and New Orleans.


Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

Gad what fools these morons be....
Children are obscene but should not be heard
Give me a peperoni pizza... or give me a calzone!
 
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#13 ·

> With the exception of teachers' salaries. They absolutely suck. The
> salaries, that is.
>
> Also, the money that goes into education in general is
> disproportionate. Some areas are awash in funds, others are
> struggling. This needs to be addressed.


I see so much money going into the school systems and it just boggles my
mind where they spend it all. The county next to us (Fairfax) have
upped the 2006 budget over the 2005 budget by 7% to $1.9 BILLION!! That
is BILLION with a "B". They are spending almost $12,000 per pupil!
They should be graduating Einsteins by the thousands every year. For
all they spend they only exceed the national SAT average by 79 points.
The starting salary for teachers is $40,000.



The problem I can see is that the administration costs are too high. I have heard about a district that has a chauffer and a municipal vehicle for the superintendant. THAT IS B.S., but the parents can't do anything about it.


> Instead of checks and food stamps, they should give these welfare baby
> makers hysterectomies.


There are plenty of jobs the government could give them in return for a
check. Have them pick up trash, lawn work, removing graffiti etc. I
guarantee they would find a better job in a matter of days or weeks.

The system couldn't require the work, if it wanted to.... Find a public works employee that isn't part of a union ! The municipality would be swimming in grievances......


Parents can be buddies and "parents" too. I had both growing up. I
think they don't want the hassles of being a good parent. It's too easy
to buy them a car, give them a credit card and send them off to the
mall. Most kids in this area don't even have summer jobs. Flipping
burgers is beneath them. The thing is flipping burgers (or any other
crappy job) teaches a kid the value of getting a good job through
education. I know it worked for me.

I can look back at my employment history and honestly say that every job, from emptying trash cans for a school district to being a mechanic (and now a service tech for the cable company) has been an education. I've learned :

1 What not to do as a boss because it irritates the employee
2 What not to do as an employee because it irritates the Boss
3 What to do as a boss because it irritates the employee
4 What to do as an employee because it irritates the Boss
5 What things I will never do again (they sucked that bad) regardless of income
6 Things that I still do, just for fun.
7 That if I can't enjoy the job, it's not the right one for me to earn money at...
8 Lastly, how to change the above circumstances, for my benefit!

Eric G
 
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#14 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
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> stangerbanger wrote:
> > I am not republican or democrat, I cant be, I can't think in absolutes

on
> > all the issues.
> > What I have issues with is our current president is a poor leader.
> > And I won't miss him when he goes.
> > The country is in a transition period, our mostly laxidazical ways of
> > raising our kids needs change.
> > Now this doesn't apply to all families of course because some do great

jobs.
> > Our country still has smart people after all we created the

microprocessor
> > and the mustang.
> > Of course now the chief designer of the mustang is Chinese.
> > But depending on a job at Target or Walmart to raise a new family wont

work,
> > some of the jobs our dad's had yesteryear will not pay the bills today.
> > I don't know what will happen in the future but it will probably get

worse
> > before it gets better.
> > Better education would be a great start, lets put some of the money into
> > that stuff.

>
> IMO, we already put plenty of money into education. Trouble is there is
> not enough discipline in schools and too much coddling of students.
> Instead of requiring students to learn, we are making excuses for their
> poor performance and intellectual laziness. It is coming to the point
> where we can't afford to make the low cost widgets that we desire.
> People who don't educate themselves, or otherwise aren't ambitious, are
> going to have less than the people that do. The reality is that anyone
> that wants to earn a living making widgets will probably need to move to
> China.
>
> > F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we deal

them.
>
> Trouble is the next time the f*ck with us might be when they set a nuke
> off in Times Square. I don't want to sit around waiting for that day.


You watch 24 too much.
That isn't going happen don't believe the W.
We have full time people analyzing geosynchronous satellites that take
pictures of the entire globe
along with movement and surface temps and numerous other readings every
second.
Any movements in the nuclear plants that show removal of radioactive by
products or weapons grade uranium and blamy!
then ask questions later.
Pee in our water supply is a more likely scenario buy these sand monkeys.

>
> > The jobs we lost are gone until we enter another depression or some

world
> > calamity, basically
> > their gone forever.
> > And maybe for a nation hopefully moving forward that's good thing.

>
> There are PLENTY of good jobs available

The trouble is too many people
> don't want to do the work to qualify for them. With just minimal post
> high school education a person could have a well paying job. Fact is
> that too many of the young people (and adults for that matter) today
> just don't want to work hard and it will eventually catch up with them.
>
> Over the last ten years I have tried to train young people to use
> AutoCAD and to be civil engineering technicians. I finally gave up on
> it because most of them didn't want to work hard enough to learn and I
> became tired of wasting my time on them. Any young person today that
> bothers to get a college education will have a very good career.
> Especially if they get a technical degree. Also, many older people
> could get well paying jobs if they would spend a little time getting
> even a minimal amount of technical education at the community college of
> their choice.
>
> > Funny though...
> >
> > "Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns96D95A76A396pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
> >>
> >> Greenpeace and Sierra Club policy wonks are scrambling to find a

> > connection
> >> between the Mars Rovers and Big Oil, Halliburton and the Bush
> >> Administration after it was revealed that Martian ice caps are rapidly
> >> melting.. apparently due to global warming.
> >>
> >> When it was suggested that increased solar activity might be the cause

of
> >> the phenomenon on both planets, activist Barba Streisand exclaimed:

"Dont
> >> be an ass.. you know how far away Mars is from here?"
> >>
> >> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and New Black Panther Party leader Attorney
> >> Malik Zulu Shabazz suggested it was a Bush plot to kill indigenous
> >> Martians.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, commenters on Markos Zuniga's Blog DailyKos are suggesting a

> > CIA
> >> plot to siphon off the CO2 polar caps from Mars to Earth in order to

> > hasten
> >> the economic disruptions already in the works for Cuba and Venezuela.
> >>
> >> Cindy Sheehan, after consulting with interstellar statesman Ramsey

Clark,
> >> demanded an immediate end to the occupation of Mars, in addition to

Iraq
> >> and New Orleans.

> >
> >
 
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#15 ·
dave wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message

<snip
>> IMO, we already put plenty of money into education. Trouble is there is
>> not enough discipline in schools and too much coddling of students.
>> Instead of requiring students to learn, we are making excuses for their
>> poor performance and intellectual laziness. It is coming to the point
>> where we can't afford to make the low cost widgets that we desire.
>> People who don't educate themselves, or otherwise aren't ambitious, are
>> going to have less than the people that do. The reality is that anyone
>> that wants to earn a living making widgets will probably need to move to
>> China.
>>
>>> F*ck Iraq, Iran, leave them their, if they f*ck with us again we deal

> them.
>> Trouble is the next time the f*ck with us might be when they set a nuke
>> off in Times Square. I don't want to sit around waiting for that day.

>
> You watch 24 too much.
> That isn't going happen don't believe the W.
> We have full time people analyzing geosynchronous satellites that take
> pictures of the entire globe
> along with movement and surface temps and numerous other readings every
> second.
> Any movements in the nuclear plants that show removal of radioactive by
> products or weapons grade uranium and blamy!
> then ask questions later.
> Pee in our water supply is a more likely scenario buy these sand monkeys.


The moment we think they can't hit us is when we are going to get our
ass handed to us again. With Iran, North Korean, Pakistan building all
eventually building nukes they don't have to go far for a bomb. Heck,
if they met the right Russian they could get one. If they do get their
hands on one they will use it on us.

Even forgetting the nukes, they could simultaneously poison the water
supplies of several major cities and kill hundreds of thousands before
we even knew what happened. I have no doubt that if we don't keep the
bastards busy fighting us in the Middle East they will be busy
infiltrating our borders by the thousands and planning multitudes of
ways to kill us here. I guess we have forgotten a major lesson of WWII.
It is better to fight your enemy offensively on their turf than your own.
 
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#16 ·
Eric G wrote:
>
> > With the exception of teachers' salaries. They absolutely suck. The
> > salaries, that is.
> >
> > Also, the money that goes into education in general is
> > disproportionate. Some areas are awash in funds, others are
> > struggling. This needs to be addressed.

>
> I see so much money going into the school systems and it just boggles my
> mind where they spend it all. The county next to us (Fairfax) have
> upped the 2006 budget over the 2005 budget by 7% to $1.9 BILLION!! That
> is BILLION with a "B". They are spending almost $12,000 per pupil!
> They should be graduating Einsteins by the thousands every year. For
> all they spend they only exceed the national SAT average by 79 points.
> The starting salary for teachers is $40,000.
>
>
>
> The problem I can see is that the administration costs are too high. I
> have heard about a district that has a chauffer and a municipal vehicle
> for the superintendant. THAT IS B.S., but the parents can't do anything
> about it.


Sometimes I wonder is the school systems are configured for the good of
the students or for the adults that work within them.

> > Instead of checks and food stamps, they should give these welfare baby
> > makers hysterectomies.

>
> There are plenty of jobs the government could give them in return for a
> check. Have them pick up trash, lawn work, removing graffiti etc. I
> guarantee they would find a better job in a matter of days or weeks.
>
> The system couldn't require the work, if it wanted to.... Find a public
> works employee that isn't part of a union ! The municipality would be
> swimming in grievances......


This is why a student will get a much better education from a private
school than a public school.

> Parents can be buddies and "parents" too. I had both growing up. I
> think they don't want the hassles of being a good parent. It's too easy
> to buy them a car, give them a credit card and send them off to the
> mall. Most kids in this area don't even have summer jobs. Flipping
> burgers is beneath them. The thing is flipping burgers (or any other
> crappy job) teaches a kid the value of getting a good job through
> education. I know it worked for me.
>
> I can look back at my employment history and honestly say that every
> job, from emptying trash cans for a school district to being a mechanic
> (and now a service tech for the cable company) has been an education.
> I've learned :
>
> 1 What not to do as a boss because it irritates the employee
> 2 What not to do as an employee because it irritates the Boss
> 3 What to do as a boss because it irritates the employee
> 4 What to do as an employee because it irritates the Boss
> 5 What things I will never do again (they sucked that bad) regardless of
> income
> 6 Things that I still do, just for fun.
> 7 That if I can't enjoy the job, it's not the right one for me to earn
> money at...
> 8 Lastly, how to change the above circumstances, for my benefit!


For me there was no better motivation to get an education, or better yet
to work smart, than to know what it was like to have a terrible job that
paid next to nothing.
 
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