On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:44:27 -0500, "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote
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><Useless drivel deleted>
Nice biased display of a total lack of class and lack of respect for
the views of others.
>
> What is done is done and can't
>> be changed. All your whining will not restore the lives lost, the
>> money expended, or change who is president.
>>
>
>That's the pity.
>I guess you think that when our president makes a mistake that costs tens of
>thousands of people their lives, that it should be swept under the rug and
>not spoken of.
>
Yes it is a pity. If it could be done we could turn the clock back to
Adam and Eve and start over... and probably make the same darn
mistakes all over again.
As for costing tens of thousands of people their lives... even if that
figure is accurate, the president could not have done it alone.
So, whether or not you voted for him, if you are a US citizen of
voting age, you supported the move to go to war.
How? Well, if you did not vote, then you did not vote against anyone
who promoted going to war. And if you did vote, then you voted for
someone who either voted to go to war, or, for someone who was on the
losing side of a vote which followed the process established decades
ago whereby the majority rules.
The president, no matter which party, no matter who voted for or
against him, when elected, is the representative of the United States
of America and ALL it's people, whether or not 100% of the people
agree with his policies or actions. We ALL share responsibility for
everything he does, or does not do.
Thus, you would, by extension, be just as guilty as the president, IF
the president is actually guilty of anything... which no court has as
yet determined.... because, like it or not, he represents this country
and every citizen of it.
Are you a self appointed judge, jury, and hoping to be executioner?
Did you protest Kosovo, when a Democrat led us into conflict? Would
you have protested WW2 which a Democrat took us into? Or do you just
protest when Republicans do?
Now, if you do not like the form of government which exists in this
country; a form of government which made this country great; then you
are welcome to either change it in the manner prescribed, or not live
here and find a form of government you do like.
>> Now, show me where I can get some affordable fuel for my car,
>
>Can't help you, there.
Fine. You seem to be on a roll.
>
> and how
>> I'm going to afford to heat my home this winter, and I'll pay attention.
>
>I understand that most utilities offer heating assistance for low income
>families. Or you could get a job..
I have yet to accept public assistance. It's a pride thing. I have
always found a way to endure no matter what the hardships. When the
day arrives that it is my only option, I will accept it because I
earned it.
You know those poor service men and women who have been sent into
harms way and suffered for it? Well, I am one of them from and earlier
era. I am retired, and I have my disability (which reduces my
retirement by an equal number of dollars - we don't get both, contrary
to popular belief, and yes we do pay into SSA and we do pay taxes, and
the medical is not free for life). I worked my careers. And I served
both my country, and my community, including doing volunteer work with
the elderly and kids, mentally ill, and supported a variety of causes
like MS, Cancer, and many more.
I, like many others, put it on the line so people like you could whine
about things which can't be changed; so people like you could point
fingers at other people and avoid any responsibility; so people like
you could cite unsupported allegations which can't possibly be proven
or disproven against others; so people like you can ignore the part of
the story which does not get air time; and I paid the price for doing
so, as so many have done. In another culture, the rhetoric you spew
would get you executed or exiled.
I don't whine about it. I chose to serve. Nobody held a gun to my
head. I don't ask for more than anyone else for having done so.
So, what have you done for your country? For your fellow citizens? For
humanity?
>
>Dave
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>>
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>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:23:11 -0500, "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns96B064A7BED73pettyfogery@207.115.63.158...
>> >> "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:3m2jsgF152a15U1@individual.net:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
>> >> > newsZTKe.125$ej5.124@lakeread05...
>> >> >> cprice@here.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Considering Dubya started a war based completely on two false
>> >> >> > pieces
>> >> >> > of evidence (weaps of mass destruction and links to Al Qaeda), IO
>> >> >> > would say he is just as likely to be accused of murder as some
>> >> >> > other people.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ok, ya know HankWB, This has zero to do with the group or the
>> >> >> thread. And more importantly WMDs were already found along with
>> >> >> Russian fighter buried in the sand, and EVERYthing was linked to al
>> >> >> qaeda.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm sure Shrubbie would be interested in your sources, since he has
>> >> > already admitted publicly that there were no WMD's found.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I suppose you would like me to post the quotes from Clinton, Kennedy,
>> >Kerry
>> >> and Chirac about the WMD's being there?
>> >
>> >Please do, and also tell us when he got rid of the WMD's. He obviously
>> >didn't have them when Shrubby declared war on Iraq.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And if Dubya knew there werent any, why didnt we "find them"
>> >
>> >Huh???
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Research saddam, his paranoia, and street-wise cunning... and use some
>> >> common sense!
>> >>
>> >
>> >If Shrubbie had any common sense, he'd have directed our rescources at Al
>> >Quaeda instead of at a despot with no teeth.
>> >
>> >> I hate Ostriches!
>> >
>> >Do tell..
>> >
>>
>> Spike
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>>
>> "When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
>> I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
>> -JFK Inaugural Address
>
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.
"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
-JFK Inaugural Address