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Old 03-17-2005, 00:11   #1 (permalink)
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CobraJet's vs GT40Patrick's

The little GT40 head comparision thread got me thinking. As much as CJ
hates my guts and I can't stand his stuck in the past attitude,
automotively, I think we're quite similar. So I started thinking about
what we have in common. I don't have a lot of time tonight to post, so
I'm only throwing out a few ideas.
But first, here's what we won't discuss in this thread: 12-second
muscle cars and how classics compare to late models. With that said,
let's find similiarities.

Over the years here are some things I think we both like or prefer:

Station wagons
Sleepers
Large displacement
Normally aspirated
Strippers
Tweaked, but factory appearing
Straight-line cars

CJ, so far so good? (Agree damn it... just say yes and nod your head.
Let's get out of the blocks and lay down the first 60-feet without
wheel-hopping or spining the tires.)

Can you think of anything else we disagree about? And what else do you
think we agree on?

Patrick
'93 Cobra

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:11   #2 (permalink)
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"CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote in message
news:020320052231195535%68gtcs@streetracer.sfv...
> In article <1109819753.133802.120160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The little GT40 head comparision thread got me thinking. As much as CJ
>> hates my guts and I can't stand his stuck in the past attitude,
>> automotively, I think we're quite similar. So I started thinking about
>> what we have in common. I don't have a lot of time tonight to post, so
>> I'm only throwing out a few ideas.
>> But first, here's what we won't discuss in this thread: 12-second
>> muscle cars and how classics compare to late models. With that said,
>> let's find similiarities.
>>
>> Over the years here are some things I think we both like or prefer:
>>
>> Station wagons
>> Sleepers
>> Large displacement
>> Normally aspirated
>> Strippers
>> Tweaked, but factory appearing
>> Straight-line cars
>>
>> CJ, so far so good? (Agree damn it... just say yes and nod your head.
>> Let's get out of the blocks and lay down the first 60-feet without
>> wheel-hopping or spining the tires.)
>>
>> Can you think of anything else we disagree about? And what else do you
>> think we agree on?

>
> Did you see the news story John URL'd comparing mechanics to
> technicians? This is the essential difference between you and me. I'm a
> gearhead, you belong to the plug-and-play group. The attitude *you*
> call "stuck in the past", is referred to as "nostalgia" by the vast
> majority of car-minded 40+ year-olds. The fact that you name C&D as
> your fave shows me you would never consider an all-out buildup of
> anything yourself.
>
> So it really goes back to the apples and oranges thing. You are
> trying to find a common ground to ease things a bit; I say it really
> doesn't matter. Why? Because I *own* several of every vehicle you have
> in that list above, and you own a '93 Cobra. I get greasy; you pay lip
> service. Apples and oranges.
>
> Next week, if it doesn't rain anymore, I'll post pics of my Ranger's
> engine to show you what I enjoy farting around with.


If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:

CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has modified
the t-shirts to fit better.

Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:12   #3 (permalink)
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CobraJet wrote:

> > The little GT40 head comparision thread got me thinking. As much
> > as CJ hates my guts and I can't stand his stuck in the past
> > attitude, automotively, I think we're quite similar. So I started
> > thinking about what we have in common. I don't have a lot of time
> > tonight to post, so I'm only throwing out a few ideas.
> > But first, here's what we won't discuss in this thread: 12-second
> > muscle cars and how classics compare to late models. With that
> > said, let's find similiarities.


> > Over the years here are some things I think we both like or prefer:


> > Station wagons
> > Sleepers
> > Large displacement
> > Normally aspirated
> > Strippers
> > Tweaked, but factory appearing
> > Straight-line cars


> > CJ, so far so good? (Agree damn it... just say yes and nod your
> > head. Let's get out of the blocks and lay down the first 60-feet
> > without wheel-hopping or spining the tires.)


> > Can you think of anything else we disagree about? And what else do
> > you think we agree on?


> Did you see the news story John URL'd comparing mechanics to
> technicians?


No, I missed that.

> This is the essential difference between you and me. I'm gearhead,
> you belong to the plug-and-play group. The attitude *you* call "stuck
> in the past", is referred to as "nostalgia" by the vast majority of
> car-minded 40+ year-olds.


The vast majority visit nostalgia, they don't live there.

> The fact that you name C&D as your fave shows me you would never
> consider an all-out buildup of anything yourself.


I've noticed you stereotype a lot. You shouldn't do that. Case in
point, my neighbor's 19 year-old kid. He owns a slightly lowered
Integra. A first glance you'd call him a ricer. But when you go check
out his ride you'll find he pulled the motor, replaced it, installed a
new clutch, and then hooked up a custom turbo system, and he did it
himself. Results? He now hangs with lightly modded Terminator Cobras.
Okay, then you'd think he likes nothing but Asian cars. Wrong again.
His buddy owns an '04 Cobra, and a Saturday afternoon about two weeks
ago they replaced his factory blower with a ported one, in his
driveway. Not too shabby for a generation you *often* stereotype. As
for myself, after I get my two kids through college my plan is to build
a T-bucket roadster.

> So it really goes back to the apples and oranges thing. You are
> trying to find a common ground to ease things a bit; I say it really
> doesn't matter. Why?


Apparently I don't take things as serious as you. I can be throwing
punches like crazy but when the bell rings that's it. Fight's over. I
can give the opponent a nod, a little hug, and a "good fight", and then
I press. You *seem* to hold a grudge.

> Because I *own* several of every vehicle you have in that list above,
> and you own a '93 Cobra. I get greasy; you pay lip service. Apples
> and oranges.


Lately you seem to be really zeroing in on my Cobra. Downing it every
chance you get. What... hoping I'll sell it? Sorry, no dice, pal.

> Next week, if it doesn't rain anymore, I'll post pics of my
> Ranger's engine to show you what I enjoy farting around with.


That's cool. But what I'd rather see are pics of the 20+ classics you
have. And why spend time on the pickup when you could be playing with
the motors in the cars??? C'mon, get us some time slips, Mr. Gearhead!


Patrick
'93 Cobra

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #4 (permalink)
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John wrote:

> If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:
>
> CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has

modified
> the t-shirts to fit better.
>
> Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.


I don't know where you newer Thundersnakes are getting your info, but
you've pretty much got that backwards.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #5 (permalink)
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In article <1109914238.378038.268010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:

> John wrote:
>
> > If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:
> >
> > CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has

> modified
> > the t-shirts to fit better.
> >
> > Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.

>
> I don't know where you newer Thundersnakes are getting your info, but
> you've pretty much got that backwards.
>
> 180 Out
>


Are you trying to convince *anyone* that Patrick knows more about
this stuff than I do?

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #6 (permalink)
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CobraJet wrote:

<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John wrote:
> >
> > > If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:
> > >
> > > CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has

> > modified
> > > the t-shirts to fit better.
> > >
> > > Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.

> >
> > I don't know where you newer Thundersnakes are getting your info,

but
> > you've pretty much got that backwards.
> >
> > 180 Out
> >

> Are you trying to convince *anyone* that Patrick knows more about
> this stuff than I do?


No, what I wrote is that Patrick has a better claim to "been there done
that" than you do. Emphasis on the "doing," not the "knowing." I
don't know where the newbies are getting their info, but it doesn't
match what I've been reading in these groups the past four years.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #7 (permalink)
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In article <1109960769.388938.220120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:

> CobraJet wrote:
>
> <one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > John wrote:
> > >
> > > > If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:
> > > >
> > > > CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has
> > > modified
> > > > the t-shirts to fit better.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.
> > >
> > > I don't know where you newer Thundersnakes are getting your info,

> but
> > > you've pretty much got that backwards.
> > >
> > > 180 Out
> > >

> > Are you trying to convince *anyone* that Patrick knows more about
> > this stuff than I do?

>
> No, what I wrote is that Patrick has a better claim to "been there done
> that" than you do. Emphasis on the "doing," not the "knowing." I
> don't know where the newbies are getting their info, but it doesn't
> match what I've been reading in these groups the past four years.
>
> 180 Out
>


OK, fair enough. Perhaps you'd like to do the following, as long as
you're stuck in a dead-end data-entry cubicle job after failing
miserably as a lawyer:

1) Show us all the engines, drivetrains, and automotive electronics
Patrick has worked on since he was born. Plug and oil changes don't
count.

2) Show us all the engines, drivetrains, and automotive electronics
that I have worked on since born. Also, explain how what you've seen in
the last four years tells you about my life experiences offline.
Alternately, you can give us the name of the crystal ball maker that
you and Patrick buy from.

3) Google up the thousands of RAMFM posts I've had since '98,
extract the flame-based content, and figure out who, besides Bill S.,
has flung more classic tech into this group than I.

4) Consult your crystal ball and see why I don't care.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #8 (permalink)
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Have you and one80out had a falling out CobraJet?


Merc
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"CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote in message
news:040320051406194288%68gtcs@streetracer.sfv...
> In article <1109960769.388938.220120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> <one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CobraJet wrote:
> >
> > <one80out@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If I may explain the diff. using a cliche:
> > > > >
> > > > > CJ - Been there, done it several times, got the t-shirts, and has
> > > > modified
> > > > > the t-shirts to fit better.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick - Got a picture of one of CJ's t-shirts.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know where you newer Thundersnakes are getting your info,

> > but
> > > > you've pretty much got that backwards.
> > > >
> > > > 180 Out
> > > >
> > > Are you trying to convince *anyone* that Patrick knows more about
> > > this stuff than I do?

> >
> > No, what I wrote is that Patrick has a better claim to "been there done
> > that" than you do. Emphasis on the "doing," not the "knowing." I
> > don't know where the newbies are getting their info, but it doesn't
> > match what I've been reading in these groups the past four years.
> >
> > 180 Out
> >

>
> OK, fair enough. Perhaps you'd like to do the following, as long as
> you're stuck in a dead-end data-entry cubicle job after failing
> miserably as a lawyer:
>
> 1) Show us all the engines, drivetrains, and automotive electronics
> Patrick has worked on since he was born. Plug and oil changes don't
> count.
>
> 2) Show us all the engines, drivetrains, and automotive electronics
> that I have worked on since born. Also, explain how what you've seen in
> the last four years tells you about my life experiences offline.
> Alternately, you can give us the name of the crystal ball maker that
> you and Patrick buy from.
>
> 3) Google up the thousands of RAMFM posts I've had since '98,
> extract the flame-based content, and figure out who, besides Bill S.,
> has flung more classic tech into this group than I.
>
> 4) Consult your crystal ball and see why I don't care.
>
> --
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Cobra Jet wrote:

> OK, fair enough. Perhaps you'd like to do the following,
> as long as you're stuck in a dead-end data-entry cubicle
> job after failing miserably as a lawyer:


I don't know where that came from, but it's a lie. What would you know
about jobs, anyway? When is the last time you held one? My guess is
you're either living on the dole, most likely on a faked-up SSI
disability, or you told a stack of lies to some plaintiff's lawyer and
scored a six figure payday somewhere along the way.

As for the rest, I've seen that "crystal ball" line of yours often
enough for it to peg MY bullshit meter. You spend half your free time
-- which is to say half your time, period! -- typing up your automotive
exploits on the Usenet, but whenever you're called on anything you hide
behind this dodge, that you have this hush-hush secret life where you
do all the reeeally cool stuff. And all this "I was there in the day"
crap. What a joke. Four years reading your posts and I've never read
a single post about you actually working on an on-topic car, or even
driving one. Let alone racing one. Plenty about lead-butting it
around in an ex-cop Crown Vic, but never a word from the real world
about anything on-topic. Just a lot of second hand info from magazines
and from web searches.

So, after four years of this same-old, here's what I know:

Starting with the often-mentioned CJ car collection, here's the
inventory, from a Sept 2004 thread:

'63 Galaxie Country Sedan Wagon - 390
'64 Monterey Marauder - 390
'64 Fairlane 500 Ranch Wagon
'65 Olds Starfire - 425
'65 Galaxie 500
'65 Comet 404
'66 Mercury Colony Park Wagon - 410
'67 Mercury Commuter Wagon
'67 Cougar - 289
'67 Cyclone GT Convertible - 390GT
'68 Olds 4-4-2 - 400
'68 Torino GT - 390GT
'68 Mustang GT/California Special - 289
'69 Plymouth Satellite - 383HP - 4 spd - 4 dr
'69 Mustang Coupe - 302
'69 Cougar XR7 428 Cobra Jet
'69 Cyclone CJ 428 Cobra Jet
'69 Fairlane 428 Cobra Jet Automatic
'69 Fairlane 428 Cobra Jet Stick
'70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 Cobra Jet
'70 Torino GT - 351C
'70 Torino Brougham 351C
'70 Plymouth Road Runner - 440HP
'72 F-250 Camper Special
'73 Mustang - engineless
'73 F-100 Ranger XLT - built 460
'76 E-250 Econoline - 351W
'86 Cougar - 232
'97 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
'?? Toyota Celica - parting out

There might be an '82 Accord in there too.

Only the '64 Fairlane wagon, the '70 Torino Brougham, the '73 F-100,
and the Crown Victoria were running as of Sept '04. The F-100 and the
Torino were recent purchases at that time, but the engine has since
been pulled from the pickup to go into the Torino, so I guess the F-100
is not running anymore, either.

The others are in storage. None of them is ever driven or worked on.
30 cars. Way more projects than you can ever hope to handle. You
could pass them along to someone who would bring them back to life.
But then what would happen to the myth of CJ? So all these cool old
cars just sit and rot.

As far as you being there "in the day," you turned 16 in about 1972,
meaning for example that you were about 5 years old when the 427 FE
came out, and about 14 when the last 428 Cobra Jet rolled off the line.


At some point in the mid-70's you bought the above-mentioned '68 289
GT/CS, and that was the beginning -- and possibly the end -- of your
actual real-world experience. You might even have street raced it a
couple times. How many actual races? Who knows? 20 per year, for two
or three years? All of them between 25 and 30 years ago. Any trips
down a real drag strip? You've mentioned ET's, so I guess you must
have run a few laps. I'm guessing not very many. I know during this
period you installed one engine in the GT/CS, so maybe you built it
too. That makes one engine you've built.

At some point in the late '70's to mid-'80's, you moved from L.A. to
Phoenix, leaving the by-then broken down GT/CS behind in Cali. You
owned a car stereo shop. And THAT'S where your question about "all the
automotive electronics" comes from -- car stereos and car alarms.
Yeah, I'm guessing you've got everybody in the NG beat on that kind of
work, by a factor of ten. Should we be impressed?

During the stereo shop era the Fox-body '86 3.8 Cougar was your driver.
I'm guessing it was also during this period that you began collecting
all the old iron. Some of the oldies must have filled the gap as
drivers, between the defunct GT/CS and the '86 Cougar. Maybe you raced
some of them, but I have never read a post saying so. Most of them,
and eventually all of them, just sat baking in the sun.

In the late '90's the '86 Cougar gave way to an '82 Accord. The Honda
was your driver from the beginning of your Usenet career until a couple
years ago, when you switched to the ex-cop '97 Crown Victoria.

So as far as I can tell the engine swap from the F-100 into the Torino
is the first time since the late '70's or early '80's that you're
actually working on a car. And during that time your REAL bad rides
have been a six-cyl Cougar, a four-cyl Honda, and a 281 ci two ton
taxicab. BBA all the way, baby.

As for NoOp Patrick, in a February 1999 post he says he has owned these
cars:

'68 383 Super Bee
'68 318 Dodge pickup
'67 283 Impala
'68 289 Comet
'76 360 Dodge pickup
'73 VW Vanagon
'87 5.0 Mustang LX - first new car
'95 Accord EX  
'93 Cobra

The '93 Cobra was a recent acquisition as of Feb '99.

Patrick also wrote this: "I grew up near Detroit and my two older
brothers were car crazy.  They owned a '69 and '72 Chevelle, '74
Javelin, '68 Mustang fastback, and a '69 Cougar XR7 convertible."

Put it all together and you'd have to say that Patrick has as much or
more hands-on experience with carbureted V8 iron as he has with the EFI
stuff.

Patrick took a car to the dragstrip for the first time in 1988, the car
being his '87 5.0. As of Sept '99 he could say he'd gone about 4-5
times per year since then. I don't think he's been back much since
'99. This is because he's a career non-commissioned officer in the Air
Force. Since I've been reading the NG, I know the USAF sent him from
Albuquerque to Turkey for a couple years, then to Florida. Between
1988 and today he's also raised two kids to college age. He sold the
'87 5.0 in 1999. He still has the Cobra, and also has a Fox-body LTD.

If you squint real hard, you might recognize these activities as "real
life." Also sometimes referred to as "pulling your own weight"; living
for something other than your own self-gratification.

I mean, here you are, nearly 50 years of age, and your only
responsibility in life is to keep a bag of cat food in the house.

So you don't care what anyone's "crystal ball" says, you've got all
these secret projects going on that you never write about. It's so
much more interesting to type that 100th reference to Arrogant Bastard
Ale or tell us about the glories of driving an ex cop car on the
freeway, than actually sharing a real life on-topic activity. That's
what we're supposed to believe, anyway.

Sorry, I've been seeing the same shit for four years. Now for the
first time in all those years you've actually got a project going, and
boy the attitude we're all seeing now. For the first time in 20 years
you're actually getting that black crud under your fingernails,
familiar to all of us who actually work on our cars, and the rest of us
better stand back. Super Cobra Jet, the guy who's "been there, done it
several times, got the t-shirts, and has modified the t-shirts to fit
better." All the time you know it's not true, and you let guys like
John here believe it anyway.

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Cobra Jet wrote:

> OK, fair enough. Perhaps you'd like to do the following,
> as long as you're stuck in a dead-end data-entry cubicle
> job after failing miserably as a lawyer:


I don't know where that came from, but it's a lie. What would you know
about jobs, anyway? When is the last time you held one? My guess is
you're either living on the dole, most likely on a faked-up SSI
disability, or you told a stack of lies to some plaintiff's lawyer and
scored a six figure payday somewhere along the way.

As for the rest, I've seen that "crystal ball" line of yours often
enough for it to peg MY bullshit meter. You spend half your free time
-- which is to say half your time, period! -- typing up your automotive
exploits on the Usenet, but whenever you're called on anything you hide
behind this dodge, that you have this hush-hush secret life where you
do all the reeeally cool stuff. And all this "I was there in the day"
crap. What a joke. Four years reading your posts and I've never read
a single post about you actually working on an on-topic car, or even
driving one. Let alone racing one. Plenty about lead-butting it
around in an ex-cop Crown Vic, but never a word from the real world
about anything on-topic. Just a lot of second hand info from magazines
and from web searches.

So, after four years of this same-old, here's what I know:

Starting with the often-mentioned CJ car collection, here's the
inventory, from a Sept 2004 thread:

'63 Galaxie Country Sedan Wagon - 390
'64 Monterey Marauder - 390
'64 Fairlane 500 Ranch Wagon
'65 Olds Starfire - 425
'65 Galaxie 500
'65 Comet 404
'66 Mercury Colony Park Wagon - 410
'67 Mercury Commuter Wagon
'67 Cougar - 289
'67 Cyclone GT Convertible - 390GT
'68 Olds 4-4-2 - 400
'68 Torino GT - 390GT
'68 Mustang GT/California Special - 289
'69 Plymouth Satellite - 383HP - 4 spd - 4 dr
'69 Mustang Coupe - 302
'69 Cougar XR7 428 Cobra Jet
'69 Cyclone CJ 428 Cobra Jet
'69 Fairlane 428 Cobra Jet Automatic
'69 Fairlane 428 Cobra Jet Stick
'70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 Cobra Jet
'70 Torino GT - 351C
'70 Torino Brougham 351C
'70 Plymouth Road Runner - 440HP
'72 F-250 Camper Special
'73 Mustang - engineless
'73 F-100 Ranger XLT - built 460
'76 E-250 Econoline - 351W
'86 Cougar - 232
'97 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
'?? Toyota Celica - parting out

There might be an '82 Accord in there too.

Only the '64 Fairlane wagon, the '70 Torino Brougham, the '73 F-100,
and the Crown Victoria were running as of Sept '04. The F-100 and the
Torino were recent purchases at that time, but the engine has since
been pulled from the pickup to go into the Torino, so I guess the F-100
is not running anymore, either.

The others are in storage. None of them is ever driven or worked on.
30 cars. Way more projects than you can ever hope to handle. You
could pass them along to someone who would bring them back to life.
But then what would happen to the myth of CJ? So all these cool old
cars just sit and rot.

As far as you being there "in the day," you turned 16 in about 1972,
meaning for example that you were about 5 years old when the 427 FE
came out, and about 14 when the last 428 Cobra Jet rolled off the line.


At some point in the mid-70's you bought the above-mentioned '68 289
GT/CS, and that was the beginning -- and possibly the end -- of your
actual real-world experience. You might even have street raced it a
couple times. How many actual races? Who knows? 20 per year, for two
or three years? All of them between 25 and 30 years ago. Any trips
down a real drag strip? You've mentioned ET's, so I guess you must
have run a few laps. I'm guessing not very many. I know during this
period you installed one engine in the GT/CS, so maybe you built it
too. That makes one engine you've built.

At some point in the late '70's to mid-'80's, you moved from L.A. to
Phoenix, leaving the by-then broken down GT/CS behind in Cali. You
owned a car stereo shop. And THAT'S where your question about "all the
automotive electronics" comes from -- car stereos and car alarms.
Yeah, I'm guessing you've got everybody in the NG beat on that kind of
work, by a factor of ten. Should we be impressed?

During the stereo shop era the Fox-body '86 3.8 Cougar was your driver.
I'm guessing it was also during this period that you began collecting
all the old iron. Some of the oldies must have filled the gap as
drivers, between the defunct GT/CS and the '86 Cougar. Maybe you raced
some of them, but I have never read a post saying so. Most of them,
and eventually all of them, just sat baking in the sun.

In the late '90's the '86 Cougar gave way to an '82 Accord. The Honda
was your driver from the beginning of your Usenet career until a couple
years ago, when you switched to the ex-cop '97 Crown Victoria.

So as far as I can tell the engine swap from the F-100 into the Torino
is the first time since the late '70's or early '80's that you're
actually working on a car. And during that time your REAL bad rides
have been a six-cyl Cougar, a four-cyl Honda, and a 281 ci two ton
taxicab. BBA all the way, baby.

As for NoOp Patrick, in a February 1999 post he says he has owned these
cars:

'68 383 Super Bee
'68 318 Dodge pickup
'67 283 Impala
'68 289 Comet
'76 360 Dodge pickup
'73 VW Vanagon
'87 5.0 Mustang LX - first new car
'95 Accord EX  
'93 Cobra

The '93 Cobra was a recent acquisition as of Feb '99.

Patrick also wrote this: "I grew up near Detroit and my two older
brothers were car crazy.  They owned a '69 and '72 Chevelle, '74
Javelin, '68 Mustang fastback, and a '69 Cougar XR7 convertible."

Put it all together and you'd have to say that Patrick has as much or
more hands-on experience with carbureted V8 iron as he has with the EFI
stuff.

Patrick took a car to the dragstrip for the first time in 1988, the car
being his '87 5.0. As of Sept '99 he could say he'd gone about 4-5
times per year since then. I don't think he's been back much since
'99. This is because he's a career non-commissioned officer in the Air
Force. Since I've been reading the NG, I know the USAF sent him from
Albuquerque to Turkey for a couple years, then to Florida. Between
1988 and today he's also raised two kids to college age. He sold the
'87 5.0 in 1999. He still has the Cobra, and also has a Fox-body LTD.

If you squint real hard, you might recognize these activities as "real
life." Also sometimes referred to as "pulling your own weight"; living
for something other than your own self-gratification.

I mean, here you are, nearly 50 years of age, and your only
responsibility in life is to keep a bag of cat food in the house.

So you don't care what anyone's "crystal ball" says, you've got all
these secret projects going on that you never write about. It's so
much more interesting to type that 100th reference to Arrogant Bastard
Ale or tell us about the glories of driving an ex cop car on the
freeway, than actually sharing a real life on-topic activity. That's
what we're supposed to believe, anyway.

Sorry, I've been seeing the same shit for four years. Now for the
first time in all those years you've actually got a project going, and
boy the attitude we're all seeing now. For the first time in 20 years
you're actually getting that black crud under your fingernails,
familiar to all of us who actually work on our cars, and the rest of us
better stand back. Super Cobra Jet, the guy who's "been there, done it
several times, got the t-shirts, and has modified the t-shirts to fit
better." All the time you know it's not true, and you let guys like
John here believe it anyway.

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