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Old 04-17-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
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Don't Count Detroit Out!

As always is all about product... and great product can turn a company
around pretty quickly.

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By Daniel Howes

For evidence that the predicted death of Detroit's automakers is
premature, drive by a Chrysler dealership.

Arrayed on the lot -- if the dealer is lucky -- probably sit a few 300C
sedans, their wide mouths and big eyes the face of how Chrysler can
still turn heads, do it with style and deliver it with a quality few
thought possible.

Remember, this is the same Auburn Hills automaker nearly everyone gave
up for dead just two years or so ago. How quickly times change: Now
Chrysler's booming car sales (up 66.9 percent this year) are propping
up its august sister, Mercedes-Benz.

The global car business is many things -- hyper-competitive, nasty and
powerful. What it isn't is static, which is why we need to take a
collective breath and get some perspective lest the spate of bad news
suffocate us all.

Is General Motors in a tailspin? Yes, mostly, judging by its public
rhetoric, swooning sales and financial statements. But is its product
portfolio, including cars and trucks expected to appear in showrooms
during the next year or so, a disaster?

Not from what I've seen.

Did Ford Motor Co. issue a profit warning for this year and signal that
it won't hit its $7 billion pre-tax profit target for next year?
Absolutely. But the company that booked record profits five years ago
on two SUVs and one pickup truck is now -- brace yourself -- actually
gaining ground in the car market.

It had better, given growing evidence that rising interest rates,
higher gas prices and SUV fatigue are conspiring to knock a big hole in
Detroit's profit sanctuary -- large SUVs -- and force more ugly
restructuring.

Sales of Ford brand cars are up 4.1 percent through March, according to
Autodata Corp., and Mercury cars are up 12.2 percent. The new Mustang,
a reinterpretation of the ol' classic with the performance cred to
match, is on pace to outsell even the Chrysler 300.

NoOp Comment: Go Mustang!!

Meanwhile, sales of Honda cars through March are off 12.7 percent;
Lexus car sales are off 5.6 percent; Nissan cars are down 3.2 percent
and Infiniti cars are off 2.1 percent. Only sales of Toyota cars, the
clear leader among Japan's Big Three, are up so far this year, and up
big -- 22.8 percent.

NoOp Comment: Pretty amazing, isn't it?

Now, the Detroit-is-doomed crowd can muster all sorts of reasons why
these trends aren't really as encouraging as they may appear. But I'd
offer this: If automotive trends are immutable, how do you explain
what's happening in the car market?

Answer: The game is far from over.

Detroit's thrashing by Toyota, painful as it may be, is a perverse
gift. Why? Because it continues to force the auto brass and their
people to change their methods, improve their products and focus on
customers, not petty internal squabbles.

And Chrysler's success with the 300C is an equally welcome gift to
rivals GM and Ford because it effectively proves that stylish,
competent cars conveying emotion are the best antidote to dull,
competent cars resembling household appliances.

If Chrysler's 300 has contributed anything to the uncertain prospects
for Detroit, it's hope and certainty that the end is not as close as it
may seem.
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Patrick
'93 Cobra

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Old 04-17-2005, 21:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Don't Count Detroit Out!

In article <1113783096.822628.263420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote:

> Did Ford Motor Co.


I always wonder about things, though. For example, the Ford GT is cool
and wicked and bitchin' and all that, but is that something they should
really be wasting time on? How many $140,000 cars do they expect to
sell? How much marketshare is it going to regain? Could the creative
energy expended on the GT have produced a killer everyman car that
would sell several hundred thousand units? Do they expect the rich
man's toys to have some sort of halo effect?

They created a neat, powerful, sub $30K car in the new Mustang, and
they can't build them fast enough. They really need to deliver stylish,
fun cars to the masses. There's a lot of people out there who just want
basic transportation, but would like something at least little cool and
maybe a little plush.
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Old 04-17-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Don't Count Detroit Out!

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:04:49 -0700, Quiet Desperation
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>In article <1113783096.822628.263420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
><NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Did Ford Motor Co.

>
>I always wonder about things, though. For example, the Ford GT is cool
>and wicked and bitchin' and all that, but is that something they should
>really be wasting time on? How many $140,000 cars do they expect to
>sell? How much marketshare is it going to regain? Could the creative
>energy expended on the GT have produced a killer everyman car that
>would sell several hundred thousand units? Do they expect the rich
>man's toys to have some sort of halo effect?
>
>They created a neat, powerful, sub $30K car in the new Mustang, and
>they can't build them fast enough. They really need to deliver stylish,
>fun cars to the masses. There's a lot of people out there who just want
>basic transportation, but would like something at least little cool and
>maybe a little plush.



lmfao
u tards havent figured out
FORD SELLS PARTS

lmfao
thats there failure


hurc ast
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Don't Count Detroit Out!

Quiet Desperation wrote:
> In article <1113783096.822628.263420@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Did Ford Motor Co.

>
>
> I always wonder about things, though. For example, the Ford GT is cool
> and wicked and bitchin' and all that, but is that something they should
> really be wasting time on? How many $140,000 cars do they expect to
> sell? How much marketshare is it going to regain? Could the creative
> energy expended on the GT have produced a killer everyman car that
> would sell several hundred thousand units? Do they expect the rich
> man's toys to have some sort of halo effect?
>
> They created a neat, powerful, sub $30K car in the new Mustang, and
> they can't build them fast enough. They really need to deliver stylish,
> fun cars to the masses. There's a lot of people out there who just want
> basic transportation, but would like something at least little cool and
> maybe a little plush.


One reason the Ford GT may be worth the effort is the technology
spin-offs from its R&D. The GT500 looks to be a major beneficiary of
the engine used in the GT. Other cars will likely follow in the GT's
wake and recycle much of its design and parts. Ford dealers have sold
the GT for $250k+ and I'm sure it has been a very profitable car. After
all, Ferrari makes plenty of money on limited run exotics so Ford can
too. Plus the free advertising it generated surely hasn't hurt Ford. ;)
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:02   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Don't Count Detroit Out!

In article <6896611ge7svncl33ctl6b628fro3n90gt@4ax.com>,
<omarsimms25793@hotmail.com> wrote:

> thats there failure


"their"
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