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Old 03-26-2005, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
aghnis@yahoo.com
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Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for
article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest".

A junky Dodge truck with a Viper V-10, 500 horsepower engine. I guess I
will have to supercharge my Mustang.

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Old 03-27-2005, 18:03   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

aghnis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for
> article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest".
>
> A junky Dodge truck with a Viper V-10, 500 horsepower engine. I guess I
> will have to supercharge my Mustang.


I really hope I don't offend anybody by this; but, IMHO, trucks aren't
meant to go fast. I bought my truck to haul stuff; not to weave in and
out of traffic and to win races at the drag strip. That's not to say
that you can't make a truck fast --you can-- but the amount of work put
into it could make a car so much faster. Why not use the right tool for
the job?

I see so many guys racing their trucks and SUV's on the highways. They
don't handle well and one day, they're going to get them self into a bad
situation. Building "fast" trucks seems to be building a sense of
confidence in buyers that I'd rather not exist. I'd rather people buy
trucks and SUV's to be used for what they're meant to be used. And
this isn't even getting into fuel consumption our current price of gas.

Again, I hope I didn't offend anybody by that.

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Old 03-27-2005, 23:02   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they are
putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a Mustang
that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets with
the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this silly
project. The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an ever
expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a good
profit on each model sold.

Aghnis

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Old 03-28-2005, 06:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they are
> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a Mustang
> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets

with
> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this

silly
> project.


Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.

> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an ever
> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a good
> profit on each model sold.
>
> Aghnis


Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a load
of crap. Have a look at some real world information:

http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm

Joe
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:

>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they are
>> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a Mustang
>> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets

>with
>> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this

>silly
>> project.

>
>Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.
>
>> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
>> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an ever
>> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a good
>> profit on each model sold.
>>
>> Aghnis

>
>Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a load
>of crap. Have a look at some real world information:
>
>http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm
>

Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the
downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are less
then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising &
disappointing.
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than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
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Old 03-28-2005, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
news:la8g419124vlt902k0c6bttjvm39lunsbt@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>

wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
>>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they

are
>>> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a

Mustang
>>> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets

>>with
>>> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this

>>silly
>>> project.

>>
>>Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.
>>
>>> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
>>> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an

ever
>>> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a

good
>>> profit on each model sold.
>>>
>>> Aghnis

>>
>>Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a load
>>of crap. Have a look at some real world information:
>>
>>http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm
>>

> Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the
> downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are

less
> then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising &
> disappointing.


Exactly. Sure, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but
these issues are real. When you run the front defroster or Max A/C on
a hybrid, you have to ask yourself where the power is coming from to
run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo
would have on a hybrid's mileage...

Joe
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Old 03-28-2005, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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Dude, I mistyped, I know the Viper is V10, learn some manners. And the
future of vehicles lies in hybrid or hydrogen power, not in the Arabs
oil.

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Old 03-28-2005, 17:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1112034705.056209.114350
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> Dude, I mistyped, I know the Viper is V10, learn some manners. And

the
> future of vehicles lies in hybrid or hydrogen power, not in the

Arabs
> oil.
>
> Aghnis


Dude, learn how to reply to a post. And don't tell me about manners,
you crudling.

Don't kid yourself - we haven't seen the _real_ future of vehicles
yet. The existing "hybrid" crap that's on the market now is garbage.

Joe
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Old 03-28-2005, 17:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Ford Lightning not the fastest truck

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:25:10 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:

>ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
>news:la8g419124vlt902k0c6bttjvm39lunsbt@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>

>wrote
>> something wonderfully witty:
>>
>>>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
>>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they

>are
>>>> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a

>Mustang
>>>> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets
>>>with
>>>> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this
>>>silly
>>>> project.
>>>
>>>Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.
>>>
>>>> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
>>>> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an

>ever
>>>> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a

>good
>>>> profit on each model sold.
>>>>
>>>> Aghnis
>>>
>>>Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a load
>>>of crap. Have a look at some real world information:
>>>
>>>http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm
>>>

>> Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the
>> downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are

>less
>> then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising &
>> disappointing.

>
>Exactly. Sure, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but
>these issues are real. When you run the front defroster or Max A/C on
>a hybrid, you have to ask yourself where the power is coming from to
>run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo
>would have on a hybrid's mileage...
>

I found it strange that A/C or defroster requires the use of the
gasoline powered engine, you would think that they would make those
electrically run off the battery segment. Apparently the GM
semi-hybrids have effectively dealt with this issue some how.

The application of the technology is still fairly young. I suspect
that they will work the kinks out sooner or later. I'm surprised no
one has sued over false advertising.
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Old 03-28-2005, 18:02   #10 (permalink)
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ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
news:5o7h41lrf5vlcdtvel9v2b6jfudil1jiog@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:25:10 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>

wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
>>ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
>>news:la8g419124vlt902k0c6bttjvm39lunsbt@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>

>>wrote
>>> something wonderfully witty:
>>>
>>>>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
>>>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they

>>are
>>>>> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a

>>Mustang
>>>>> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck

gets
>>>>with
>>>>> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with

this
>>>>silly
>>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>>Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.
>>>>
>>>>> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
>>>>> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an

>>ever
>>>>> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a

>>good
>>>>> profit on each model sold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aghnis
>>>>
>>>>Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a

load
>>>>of crap. Have a look at some real world information:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm
>>>>
>>> Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the
>>> downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are

>>less
>>> then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising &
>>> disappointing.

>>
>>Exactly. Sure, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but
>>these issues are real. When you run the front defroster or Max A/C

on
>>a hybrid, you have to ask yourself where the power is coming from to
>>run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo
>>would have on a hybrid's mileage...
>>

> I found it strange that A/C or defroster requires the use of the
> gasoline powered engine, you would think that they would make those
> electrically run off the battery segment. Apparently the GM
> semi-hybrids have effectively dealt with this issue some how.


The GM hybrid trucks I've seen apparently don't get much better
mileage than their regular counterparts, maybe a couple mpg or so.
So, is the $3k-$5k increase in their cost worth a couple mpg savings?

The defroster uses the A/C to dry the air, and A/C is, well, just A/C.
As you know, in a regular internal combustion engine the compressor
runs directly off the belt just like the water pump, p/s, etc. So how
does A/C work on a hybrid if it's not running off the internal
combustion engine? If it runs strictly from battery, that's gotta
kill the power real quick, meaning the ICE will kick in sooner.

> The application of the technology is still fairly young. I suspect
> that they will work the kinks out sooner or later. I'm surprised no
> one has sued over false advertising.


I've started seeing more and more flap over the bogus hybrid mileage
claims. I suspect that there's a lot of lobbying muscle behind
hybrids, so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Internal combustion engines are fully capable of 35mpg+, but the buzz
is the hybrids. There were plenty of 4-bangers around that could
achieve that kind of mileage and better, but the resources are being
concentrated elsewhere now. Shame.

Joe
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