ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:25:10 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>
wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
>>ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
>>news:la8g419124vlt902k0c6bttjvm39lunsbt@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>
>>wrote
>>> something wonderfully witty:
>>>
>>>>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130
>>>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they
>>are
>>>>> putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a
>>Mustang
>>>>> that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck
gets
>>>>with
>>>>> the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with
this
>>>>silly
>>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>>Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10.
>>>>
>>>>> The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other
>>>>> manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an
>>ever
>>>>> expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a
>>good
>>>>> profit on each model sold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aghnis
>>>>
>>>>Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a
load
>>>>of crap. Have a look at some real world information:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.freep.com/money/autorevie...e_20050203.htm
>>>>
>>> Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the
>>> downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are
>>less
>>> then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising &
>>> disappointing.
>>
>>Exactly. Sure, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but
>>these issues are real. When you run the front defroster or Max A/C
on
>>a hybrid, you have to ask yourself where the power is coming from to
>>run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo
>>would have on a hybrid's mileage...
>>
> I found it strange that A/C or defroster requires the use of the
> gasoline powered engine, you would think that they would make those
> electrically run off the battery segment. Apparently the GM
> semi-hybrids have effectively dealt with this issue some how.
The GM hybrid trucks I've seen apparently don't get much better
mileage than their regular counterparts, maybe a couple mpg or so.
So, is the $3k-$5k increase in their cost worth a couple mpg savings?
The defroster uses the A/C to dry the air, and A/C is, well, just A/C.
As you know, in a regular internal combustion engine the compressor
runs directly off the belt just like the water pump, p/s, etc. So how
does A/C work on a hybrid if it's not running off the internal
combustion engine? If it runs strictly from battery, that's gotta
kill the power real quick, meaning the ICE will kick in sooner.
> The application of the technology is still fairly young. I suspect
> that they will work the kinks out sooner or later. I'm surprised no
> one has sued over false advertising.
I've started seeing more and more flap over the bogus hybrid mileage
claims. I suspect that there's a lot of lobbying muscle behind
hybrids, so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Internal combustion engines are fully capable of 35mpg+, but the buzz
is the hybrids. There were plenty of 4-bangers around that could
achieve that kind of mileage and better, but the resources are being
concentrated elsewhere now. Shame.
Joe
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