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Old 03-27-2005, 14:02   #1 (permalink)
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GM: Kill Pontiac

Hi,

I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".

http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/

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Old 03-27-2005, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
<theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
>
>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/


Dear Prophet, your modesty provides an inspiration to us all.

PS site is interesting.
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Old 03-27-2005, 17:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

Auto Prophet wrote:

> I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please

take
> a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".


> http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/


Auto Phophet,

Yours follows a similar theme as:

http://autoextremist.com/index.shtml

Click on Rants.

Patrick
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
<theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:

>Hi,
>
>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
>
>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
>

Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand name
with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.
--

"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac


"ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
>>
>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
>>

> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand name
> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.


The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM lineup, at
least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the Caddy's
are unique as well.

But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from the
marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc. divisions
made their own cars).

And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a lot more
experience with the engineering and durability of particular engines,
platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and engieering. These
savings are passed on as lower costs to consumers. Otherwise, there is no
way that GM could compete on cost, as they do. Consumers still get a good
choice in a range of vehicles. And GM still makes money (occaisonally).

This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.

Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across brands, as
well.

Jeff

> --
>
> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown



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Old 03-28-2005, 09:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac


"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:x0W1e.10586$S46.6368@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
>> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
>> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
>>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
>>>
>>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
>>>

>> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand name
>> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
>> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
>> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
>> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.

>
> The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM lineup, at
> least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the Caddy's
> are unique as well.
>
> But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
> components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from the
> marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc. divisions
> made their own cars).
>
> And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a lot
> more experience with the engineering and durability of particular
> engines, platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and
> engieering. These savings are passed on as lower costs to consumers.
> Otherwise, there is no way that GM could compete on cost, as they do.
> Consumers still get a good choice in a range of vehicles. And GM still
> makes money (occaisonally).
>
> This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.
>
> Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across brands, as
> well.
>
> Jeff
>
>> --
>>
>> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
>> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
>> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown

>

Looked at a Jaguar lately? Looks like a Taurus on steroids. Hmmm
So it is all of them afterall ...

The Hummer was origionally designed for the military that is why it is
different. Give it a couple more years.

Worship the car makers badge of your choice.
My Ram, Town and Country, Mustang, Grand Prix, Envoy, and Jimmy all live
here in perfect harmony.

Dave


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Old 03-28-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

Hummers that are sold at GM dealerships are not real Hummers.
They are basically a Yukon with a different body.
Frame, axles, trannys and engines are Just plain old Chevy.
A real Hummer has only a 6.5 diesel with a THM400 trans with geared hubs.


"Willy Wanka" <willywanka@redram.com> wrote in message
news:ulW1e.21594$rL3.2777@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:x0W1e.10586$S46.6368@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> > news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
> >> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
> >> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
> >>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
> >>>
> >>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand name
> >> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
> >> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
> >> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
> >> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.

> >
> > The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM lineup, at
> > least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the

Caddy's
> > are unique as well.
> >
> > But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
> > components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from the
> > marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc.

divisions
> > made their own cars).
> >
> > And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a lot
> > more experience with the engineering and durability of particular
> > engines, platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and
> > engieering. These savings are passed on as lower costs to consumers.
> > Otherwise, there is no way that GM could compete on cost, as they do.
> > Consumers still get a good choice in a range of vehicles. And GM still
> > makes money (occaisonally).
> >
> > This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.
> >
> > Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across brands, as
> > well.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >> --
> >>
> >> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
> >> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
> >> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown

> >

> Looked at a Jaguar lately? Looks like a Taurus on steroids. Hmmm
> So it is all of them afterall ...
>
> The Hummer was origionally designed for the military that is why it is
> different. Give it a couple more years.
>
> Worship the car makers badge of your choice.
> My Ram, Town and Country, Mustang, Grand Prix, Envoy, and Jimmy all live
> here in perfect harmony.
>
> Dave
>
>



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Old 03-28-2005, 12:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

h1 = real hummer
h2 = tahoe + body kit



"noname" <nospam4meplease@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:8ZY1e.19227$kq1.9122@fe07.lga...
> Hummers that are sold at GM dealerships are not real Hummers.
> They are basically a Yukon with a different body.
> Frame, axles, trannys and engines are Just plain old Chevy.
> A real Hummer has only a 6.5 diesel with a THM400 trans with geared hubs.
>
>
> "Willy Wanka" <willywanka@redram.com> wrote in message
> news:ulW1e.21594$rL3.2777@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:x0W1e.10586$S46.6368@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
>> > news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
>> >> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
>> >> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please take
>> >>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
>> >>>
>> >>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
>> >>>
>> >> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand name
>> >> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
>> >> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
>> >> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
>> >> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.
>> >
>> > The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM lineup, at
>> > least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the

> Caddy's
>> > are unique as well.
>> >
>> > But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
>> > components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from the
>> > marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc.

> divisions
>> > made their own cars).
>> >
>> > And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a lot
>> > more experience with the engineering and durability of particular
>> > engines, platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and
>> > engieering. These savings are passed on as lower costs to consumers.
>> > Otherwise, there is no way that GM could compete on cost, as they do.
>> > Consumers still get a good choice in a range of vehicles. And GM still
>> > makes money (occaisonally).
>> >
>> > This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.
>> >
>> > Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across brands,
>> > as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
>> >> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
>> >> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
>> >

>> Looked at a Jaguar lately? Looks like a Taurus on steroids. Hmmm
>> So it is all of them afterall ...
>>
>> The Hummer was origionally designed for the military that is why it is
>> different. Give it a couple more years.
>>
>> Worship the car makers badge of your choice.
>> My Ram, Town and Country, Mustang, Grand Prix, Envoy, and Jimmy all live
>> here in perfect harmony.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>

>
>



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Old 03-28-2005, 12:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

What the heck is an "H1"



..C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
news:ycGdnXE0NfCzwNXfRVn-hg@rogers.com...
> h1 = real hummer
> h2 = tahoe + body kit
>
>
>
> "noname" <nospam4meplease@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:8ZY1e.19227$kq1.9122@fe07.lga...
> > Hummers that are sold at GM dealerships are not real Hummers.
> > They are basically a Yukon with a different body.
> > Frame, axles, trannys and engines are Just plain old Chevy.
> > A real Hummer has only a 6.5 diesel with a THM400 trans with geared

hubs.
> >
> >
> > "Willy Wanka" <willywanka@redram.com> wrote in message
> > news:ulW1e.21594$rL3.2777@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> >>
> >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:x0W1e.10586$S46.6368@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> >
> >> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
> >> >> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
> >> >> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please

take
> >> >>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
> >> >>>
> >> >> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand

name
> >> >> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
> >> >> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the same
> >> >> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
> >> >> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.
> >> >
> >> > The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM lineup,

at
> >> > least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the

> > Caddy's
> >> > are unique as well.
> >> >
> >> > But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
> >> > components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from

the
> >> > marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc.

> > divisions
> >> > made their own cars).
> >> >
> >> > And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a

lot
> >> > more experience with the engineering and durability of particular
> >> > engines, platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and
> >> > engieering. These savings are passed on as lower costs to consumers.
> >> > Otherwise, there is no way that GM could compete on cost, as they do.
> >> > Consumers still get a good choice in a range of vehicles. And GM

still
> >> > makes money (occaisonally).
> >> >
> >> > This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.
> >> >
> >> > Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across brands,
> >> > as
> >> > well.
> >> >
> >> > Jeff
> >> >
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
> >> >> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
> >> >> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
> >> >
> >> Looked at a Jaguar lately? Looks like a Taurus on steroids. Hmmm
> >> So it is all of them afterall ...
> >>
> >> The Hummer was origionally designed for the military that is why it is
> >> different. Give it a couple more years.
> >>
> >> Worship the car makers badge of your choice.
> >> My Ram, Town and Country, Mustang, Grand Prix, Envoy, and Jimmy all

live
> >> here in perfect harmony.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>



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Old 03-28-2005, 12:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: GM: Kill Pontiac

Yes you are right H1 is real hummer
H2 is tahoe/yukon with different body.


"noname" <nospam4meplease@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:z6Z1e.19230$fV1.1305@fe07.lga...
> What the heck is an "H1"
>
>
>
> .C. Tee" <tedwards@LEAVE.ME.ALONEnl.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:ycGdnXE0NfCzwNXfRVn-hg@rogers.com...
> > h1 = real hummer
> > h2 = tahoe + body kit
> >
> >
> >
> > "noname" <nospam4meplease@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:8ZY1e.19227$kq1.9122@fe07.lga...
> > > Hummers that are sold at GM dealerships are not real Hummers.
> > > They are basically a Yukon with a different body.
> > > Frame, axles, trannys and engines are Just plain old Chevy.
> > > A real Hummer has only a 6.5 diesel with a THM400 trans with geared

> hubs.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Willy Wanka" <willywanka@redram.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ulW1e.21594$rL3.2777@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > >>
> > >> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:x0W1e.10586$S46.6368@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > >> >
> > >> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:b87g41h07950mfub3jpvkd6sdiaifm3imm@4ax.com...
> > >> >> On 27 Mar 2005 13:16:52 -0800, "Auto Prophet"
> > >> >> <theautoprophet@gmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>Hi,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>I have started a blog devoted to the automotive industry. Please

> take
> > >> >>>a look. My latest article is "GM: Kill Pontiac".
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/
> > >> >>>
> > >> >> Hell I say kill all of them and wrap it up into one big GM brand

> name
> > >> >> with models having varying levels of trim. That is all that the
> > >> >> Divisions really do anyhow. All the vehicles are basically the

same
> > >> >> with the exception of the Corvette and now the Caddy folks are
> > >> >> knocking off a luxo-barge version of that.
> > >> >
> > >> > The Hummers are still different from anything else in the GM

lineup,
> at
> > >> > least for now. And I think the Saabs are too. I think some of the
> > > Caddy's
> > >> > are unique as well.
> > >> >
> > >> > But what difference does it make? The divisions are just marketing
> > >> > components with the cars made by manufacturing units seperate from

> the
> > >> > marketing units (it used to be that Chevy, Caddy, Pontiac, etc.
> > > divisions
> > >> > made their own cars).
> > >> >
> > >> > And, quite frankly, I don't see whaat is wrong with that. GM gets a

> lot
> > >> > more experience with the engineering and durability of particular
> > >> > engines, platforms, etc., cost reductions in manufacturing and
> > >> > engieering. These savings are passed on as lower costs to

consumers.
> > >> > Otherwise, there is no way that GM could compete on cost, as they

do.
> > >> > Consumers still get a good choice in a range of vehicles. And GM

> still
> > >> > makes money (occaisonally).
> > >> >
> > >> > This is one reason why cars last a lot longer than they used to.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ford and DC and the other car makers do the same thing across

brands,
> > >> > as
> > >> > well.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jeff
> > >> >
> > >> >> --
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
> > >> >> than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
> > >> >> of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
> > >> >
> > >> Looked at a Jaguar lately? Looks like a Taurus on steroids. Hmmm
> > >> So it is all of them afterall ...
> > >>
> > >> The Hummer was origionally designed for the military that is why it

is
> > >> different. Give it a couple more years.
> > >>
> > >> Worship the car makers badge of your choice.
> > >> My Ram, Town and Country, Mustang, Grand Prix, Envoy, and Jimmy all

> live
> > >> here in perfect harmony.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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