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Old 09-24-2005, 21:01   #1 (permalink)
John Shepardson
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GTO HP

I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for 2005
GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind of
discount gets my attention.
400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a GTO, on
paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt

Car HP Lbs 0-60
2005 GTO 400 3725 6
2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2

I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO looks
like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year to go on my
02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an alledged muscle
car.

John
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Old 09-25-2005, 07:04   #2 (permalink)
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"John Shepardson" <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for 2005
> GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind of
> discount gets my attention.
> 400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a GTO, on
> paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt
>
> Car HP Lbs 0-60
> 2005 GTO 400 3725 6
> 2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
> 2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2
>
> I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO looks
> like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year to go on my
> 02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an alledged muscle
> car.
>

Make your payments for the next year and then, if you really want, pick-up
a leftover '05 GTO for less. There will be some out there.

One dealer close to me finally sold their leftover '04 recently, for under
$20k. This same dealership transferred their allotted '05s to a partnered
dealer down in Florida. The only way this dealer will sell one, is by
customer order. These cars simply won't attract buyers, and the additional
HP isn't reeling in the public, as was hoped. I'm sure the appearance of the
Dodge Charger isn't helping GTO sales either. Given the choice between those
two, I'd snag a Charger, 4 doors and all.

*(I'm in MA, I hear the GTO actually sells in FL and CA)
--
John C.
'03 Cobra Convt.


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Old 09-25-2005, 11:05   #3 (permalink)
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John Shepardson wrote:
> I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for 2005
> GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind of
> discount gets my attention.
> 400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a GTO, on
> paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt
>
> Car HP Lbs 0-60
> 2005 GTO 400 3725 6
> 2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
> 2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2
>
> I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO looks
> like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year to go on my
> 02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an alledged muscle
> car.
>
> John


Pontiac uses smaller horses....

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"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
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Old 09-25-2005, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: GTO HP

John Shepardson <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in
news:j.shepardson-AF71D9.20021724092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for
> 2005 GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind of
> discount gets my attention.
> 400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a GTO,
> on paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt
>
> Car HP Lbs 0-60
> 2005 GTO 400 3725 6
> 2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
> 2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2
>
> I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO
> looks like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year to
> go on my 02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an
> alledged muscle car.
>
> John


Where'd you get your numbers? They're pretty wacky. Try this:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=4
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Old 09-25-2005, 19:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: GTO HP

In article <WkFZe.5691$eB3.3548@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Where'd you get your numbers? They're pretty wacky. Try this:
> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....=8908&page_num
> ber=4


I got them from Pontiac;
http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp

click on the "Click to see how we beat the competition"
its on the right side, just under the GTO picture.

I wouldn't trust Car & Driver's opinion on seat covers.

John
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Old 09-25-2005, 23:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Joe" <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:WkFZe.5691$eB3.3548@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> John Shepardson <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:j.shepardson-AF71D9.20021724092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>
>> I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for
>> 2005 GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind of
>> discount gets my attention.
>> 400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a GTO,
>> on paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt
>>
>> Car HP Lbs 0-60
>> 2005 GTO 400 3725 6
>> 2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
>> 2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2
>>
>> I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO
>> looks like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year to
>> go on my 02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an
>> alledged muscle car.
>>
>> John

>
> Where'd you get your numbers? They're pretty wacky. Try this:
> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=4



I notice they didn't use the manual Mustang. Times seem slow. My stock 5.0
can run head to head with a 2005 auto GT with less horse and torque? Dunno?
And a 400 hp GTO? Maybe. Seems suspect though.


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Old 09-26-2005, 05:01   #7 (permalink)
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John Shepardson <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in
news:j.shepardson-F72B07.18193925092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <WkFZe.5691$eB3.3548@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Where'd you get your numbers? They're pretty wacky. Try this:
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8908
>> &page_num ber=4

>
> I got them from Pontiac;
> http://www.pontiac.com/gto/index.jsp
>
> click on the "Click to see how we beat the competition"
> its on the right side, just under the GTO picture.
>
> I wouldn't trust Car & Driver's opinion on seat covers.
>
> John


OK, so let's try these:
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/pont...20/review.html
http://cnn.edmunds.com/new/2005/pont...420/specs.html
http://cnn.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...5/pageNumber=2

No matter how you slice it, the GTO pretty much romps all over the
Mustang, which it should considering the price and power difference.
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Old 09-26-2005, 06:01   #8 (permalink)
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"BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in
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>
> "Joe" <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:WkFZe.5691$eB3.3548@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> John Shepardson <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:j.shepardson-AF71D9.20021724092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>
>>> I saw an ad in the local papers today for $5000 off the sticker for
>>> 2005 GTOs. I havenąt been that attracted to the car, but that kind
>>> of discount gets my attention.
>>> 400 hp for less than $30k is pretty cool. The problem is that a
>>> GTO, on paper should blow a Mustang away, but it doesnąt
>>>
>>> Car HP Lbs 0-60
>>> 2005 GTO 400 3725 6
>>> 2005 vette 400 3250 4.1
>>> 2005 Mustang GT 300 3500 6.2
>>>
>>> I guess 400 hp sometimes doesnąt make it to the pavement. The GTO
>>> looks like a 325 hp car to me. Guess I have to pass (still a year
>>> to go on my 02 GT payments), but it is nice to see a discount on an
>>> alledged muscle car.
>>>
>>> John

>>
>> Where'd you get your numbers? They're pretty wacky. Try this:
>> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....15&article_id=

8908
>> &page_number=4

>
>
> I notice they didn't use the manual Mustang. Times seem slow. My
> stock 5.0 can run head to head with a 2005 auto GT with less horse
> and torque? Dunno? And a 400 hp GTO? Maybe. Seems suspect though.


The numbers on Pontiac's web site seem real slow. Most other reviews
I've read show 0-60 times in the low-to-mid 5's.
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Old 09-26-2005, 18:01   #9 (permalink)
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In article <FcRZe.224$ST1.200@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:

> No matter how you slice it, the GTO pretty much romps all over the
> Mustang, which it should considering the price and power difference.


Well, that's what I would expect, funny that Pontiac would be so far off
in their advertising.

John
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Old 09-26-2005, 18:01   #10 (permalink)
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John Shepardson <j.shepardson@comcast.net> wrote in
news:j.shepardson-9116FE.17210826092005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <FcRZe.224$ST1.200@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, the GTO pretty much romps all over the
>> Mustang, which it should considering the price and power difference.

>
> Well, that's what I would expect, funny that Pontiac would be so far
> off in their advertising.
>
> John


Yeah, I wonder why they did that. Insurance, maybe?
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