On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:55:54 -0500, Rich <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>I noticed a couple radicals freaked out when I suggested we leave
>the solutions to pollution problems to future generations.
>On the surface (without any critical thought) it figures the cretins
>would go nuts when they read it. But if you actually THINK about it,
>it makes perfect sense.
Ah, how to win friends and influence people... call them names if they
disagree or have a different point of view. Do you wonder that people
give you a hard time? You constantly spout gloom and doom, but what
does it get you? What does it get anyone? Why not try to look at the
upside of life. There are people trying to make a positive difference.
>In 1966 or so, some of the first pollution devices came into being on
>cars. CO2 filters. But, it wasn't until 1976 that catalytic
>converters came into being. It wasn't until then that time that any
>real progress was made on auto emissions. The converter made it
>possible to extract about 90% of the "harmful" gasses from car
>exhausts. Until that time, all other measures (EGR, CO2 cannisters,
>etc) made little difference.
Could the fact that the technologies which you cite were not
available, therefore the great leap in progress to halt pollution
could not have appeared until after they were developed? Or that it
took until people recognized the damage the pollution was creating to
give impetus to development of said technologies? Seems it's a case of
to all things there is a season.... or era.....
>The same is true now of pollution we can't yet control. Whatever
>half-assed measure we come up with will only have a modest control
>effect. However, implementing strict controls will have a devastating
>effect on our economic systems. Because they aren't cures, like the
>catalytic converter was, but axe-like cuts, that make little headway
>in controlling emissions but do serious damage to the economy.
>In turn, this damage reduces drastically the amount of money available
>for development of real pollution controls so in the long run, wasting
>time, money and effort on modest controls may prevent us from finding
>REAL controls. Science is not cheap, and R&D gets cut when people and
>businesses suffer financially.
The catalytic converter, which has been found to produce pollutants of
it's own, was not a cure. If it had been, there would be no pollutants
>So, lets stop pretending 15% cuts over 10 years will "save" the
>environment, (especially since the rapidly industrializiing Third
>World is doing F--- all to help) stop implementing WORTHLESS attempts
>at pollution control that will only hurt us in the long run but KEEP
>spending on the science needed to produce TRUE controls at a future
There is a point of no return in practically all things.... You
propose that we do nothing and in doing nothing we might attain that
point of no return when , no matter what might be developed, it will
be too late to save the environment? That's like saying you sewer
line is clogging but do nothing until it backs up into your home.
As for the Third World, think of them as children. In their
development, they must also learn the lessons industrialized nations
have already learned. That there is a price to be paid. Like children,
simply telling them not to do something will not educate them. It will
not help them see the cost. Like a child on a playground who throws
down a wrapper, and gets sent to the principal's office for doing so,
Third World countries must, unfortunately, learn some lessons the hard
Others learn more quickly. For example, when Brazil tells the world to
pay up if they want them to stop cutting down the rainforests. How
much sense does that make though? Like putting a gun to your head and
saying give me the money or I'll shoot myself.
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