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Old 02-14-2006, 19:01   #1 (permalink)
Fred of AZ
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Need Camshaft Recommendation for 65 2+2 with 289

I have a 65 2+2 with a 289 and a toploader 4 speed. The rear end is
the stock 8" with 2.70 gears. The car is going to the bodyshop and
paint booth this year, and while it's there, I plan on doing some work
on the motor. The car is sort of a daily driver...don't drive it
EVERY day. I'd like to get it setup to do some really serious freeway
flying. I live out here in rural Arizona, and not into the drag scene
anymore. But, I do enjoy opening it up out here in the lonely
stretches!

I'm going to keep the 289 and the 4 speed. I plan on going with some
better breathing heads because I still have the stock ones on the
motor. I've got an Edelbrock Performer 289 manifold with a Holley 600
double-pump carb for induction, and just upgraded a Motorcraft dual
point distributor with a Pertronix kit. And still have a set of
either Blackjack or Hedman headers on the motor, that I bought over 25
years ago, and they're still hanging in there.

My biggest question is the cam...what kind, specs, duration, lift,
etc. would be best to go with for top end speed with the above parts.
Any info is most appreciated.

Fred of AZ
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Old 02-14-2006, 22:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Need Camshaft Recommendation for 65 2+2 with 289

"Fred of AZ" <Lee.Fredrickson@nospamstarband.net> wrote in message
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>I have a 65 2+2 with a 289 and a toploader 4 speed. The rear end is
> the stock 8" with 2.70 gears. The car is going to the bodyshop and
> paint booth this year, and while it's there, I plan on doing some work
> on the motor. The car is sort of a daily driver...don't drive it
> EVERY day. I'd like to get it setup to do some really serious freeway
> flying. I live out here in rural Arizona, and not into the drag scene
> anymore. But, I do enjoy opening it up out here in the lonely
> stretches!
>
> I'm going to keep the 289 and the 4 speed. I plan on going with some
> better breathing heads because I still have the stock ones on the
> motor. I've got an Edelbrock Performer 289 manifold with a Holley 600
> double-pump carb for induction, and just upgraded a Motorcraft dual
> point distributor with a Pertronix kit. And still have a set of
> either Blackjack or Hedman headers on the motor, that I bought over 25
> years ago, and they're still hanging in there.
>
> My biggest question is the cam...what kind, specs, duration, lift,
> etc. would be best to go with for top end speed with the above parts.
> Any info is most appreciated.
>
> Fred of AZ



Go with a matched set from Edelbrock. A performer cam would be nice. I'd
recommend a 3.00:1 rear gear for better all around performance. If your
holley gets tired pick up an Edl. 1406 carb. It's also rated at 600 CFM. If
you decide to stay with those tall gears you may consider getting a smaller
500 cfm carb (1405) for snappier acceleration around town and better
economy.

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Old 02-15-2006, 10:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Need Camshaft Recommendation for 65 2+2 with 289

Fred of AZ wrote:

> I have a 65 2+2 with a 289 and a toploader 4 speed. The rear
> end is the stock 8" with 2.70 gears. [snip]
>
> My biggest question is the cam...what kind, specs, duration,
> lift, etc. would be best to go with for top end speed with the
> above parts. Any info is most appreciated.


I built my engine back in 1980, so my recommendations may seem a
little dated by today's standards. YMMV

I run a solid lifter cam from a 289/271 "K" engine, swapped out
the 289 heads for a set of 351W heads (vintage 1970), and used
an el-cheapo Holley 600 atop an Edelbrock Torker manifold. The
car is a '65 Fastback with a 289, 3.50 gears and a Top Loader.

There are probably plenty of more modern upgrades that would run
better than what I have. That said, my combination gives me the
"happiest" car I've ever driven, and I won't change a thing. Not
much torque below 2000 RPM due to the single plane manifold,
but it runs like a bat out of hell above 2000. It *is* a pain
to adjust the valves every few thousand miles due to the solid
lifters though.

Cheers!

zk
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Old 02-15-2006, 11:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Need Camshaft Recommendation for 65 2+2 with 289

Zeke, I think you'd be happier if you changed that single plane to a dual
plane manifold. With your setup I think you're robbing yourself of power
under 2000 RPM and switching over would give you more than it takes away
with the cam you're running.

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Old 02-15-2006, 13:01   #5 (permalink)
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"Mark C." <mustango656@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Zeke, I think you'd be happier if you changed that single plane to a dual
> plane manifold. With your setup I think you're robbing yourself of power
> under 2000 RPM and switching over would give you more than it takes away
> with the cam you're running.
>
> --
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>


Amen!


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Old 02-15-2006, 22:01   #6 (permalink)
Fred of AZ
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Re: Need Camshaft Recommendation for 65 2+2 with 289

Zeke:

I remember reading an article way back when about doing the same
swap...351W heads on a 289. I even have a set of '69 Windsor heads
still sitting in my shed that I picked up for $50 at a Ecology Auto in
Southern Calif. The heads still look practically brand new, and I
bet I pulled 'em back in '92 or even earlier. However, the extra
large combustion chambers kind of threw me for a loop - either milling
the heads and intake to get everything down to size, or putting
another set of pistons to raise the compression ratio back up to
something more respectable seemed like more work than necessary.

I know about those solid lifter cams and the need for constant
adjustment - I went through that for awhile, too. Also have a Torker
manifold collecting dust next to the 351W heads - someday I might put
it all to use.

Thanks for the info!

Fred of AZ

On 15 Feb 2006 17:12:42 GMT, Zeke-baby
<zekebaby@this.address.is.invalid> wrote:

>I built my engine back in 1980, so my recommendations may seem a
>little dated by today's standards. YMMV
>
>I run a solid lifter cam from a 289/271 "K" engine, swapped out
>the 289 heads for a set of 351W heads (vintage 1970), and used
>an el-cheapo Holley 600 atop an Edelbrock Torker manifold. The
>car is a '65 Fastback with a 289, 3.50 gears and a Top Loader.
>
>There are probably plenty of more modern upgrades that would run
>better than what I have. That said, my combination gives me the
>"happiest" car I've ever driven, and I won't change a thing. Not
>much torque below 2000 RPM due to the single plane manifold,
>but it runs like a bat out of hell above 2000. It *is* a pain
>to adjust the valves every few thousand miles due to the solid
>lifters though.
>
>Cheers!
>
> zk


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