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66 6F HCS wrote:
> "Ritz" <ritz@mordor.net> wrote
>
>>The 351W is a nice motor though. The marine version of the 351 crate
>>engine puts out nearly 350hp in normally aspirated trim.
>
>
> Except the new GT500 isn't getting a OHV 351 (5.8), It's getting a DOHC 5.4.
Ahhh...shows you how much I've kept up with newer Mustangs (other than
the new look).
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:VfOdnbi_gMejbqjeRVn-gA@giganews.com:
> Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>> news:noSdnQ383deg56jenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> John C. wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:GdCdnRu-koIbxq7eRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon)
>>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would
>>>>> have thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be
>>>>> "terminated" itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed for
>>>>> us gear heads.
>>>>> :)
>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> When I picked up the Cobra I was pretty confident it would be a
>>>> "keeper", the pinnacle of Mustang performance. The GT500 relegates
>>>> it to "also ran" status. More motor, and better looks, too. The
>>>> bastids keep coming up with ways to get my money. :)
>>> The last Mustang I bought new was in 1989 and I still have it. The
>>> '05s were the first model to really make me want to buy another
>>> one. IMO, Ford has hit a grand slam homerun with it. I can only
>>> imagine the other models they will spin off. I see them releasing
>>> an ass kicking NA Boss Mustang in a few years.
>>>
>>>> Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be
>>>> nice if it came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown
>>>> 4.6 came with. The baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at
>>>> 386.
>>> My guess is it will make between 425-450 rwhp. That should put it
>>> in the 500-525 hp range at the flywheel. I bet just a retune would
>>> get it close to 500 rwhp.
>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's
>>>> gonna be a feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the excitement
>>>> the first of the '03 Mach 1s generated, it was a freakin' circus.
>>> With 7,000 units I think the frenzy will die down after the first
>>> couple thousand are delivered. If Ford does another 7,000 run the
>>> following year then the price should stabilize to a little above
>>> sticker or right at sticker, IMO.
>>
>> Michael, just a few thoughts from before:
>>
>> a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06 motor.
>> You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test drive.
>> ;)
>
> He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are
> not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :)
With all the "new" pricing offered these days (i.e., employee pricing,
no-haggle price, etc.), I'm wondering what the salesman's role will be.
We should be able to buy cars the way we buy groceries or clothes.
>> b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have
>> some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your
>> Ford dealer.
>
> Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they
> don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500 apart
> from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron block
> version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the
> car.
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:VfOdnbi_gMejbqjeRVn-gA@giganews.com:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>> news:noSdnQ383deg56jenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GdCdnRu-koIbxq7eRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>>>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon)
>>>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would
>>>>>> have thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be
>>>>>> "terminated" itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed for
>>>>>> us gear heads.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I picked up the Cobra I was pretty confident it would be a
>>>>> "keeper", the pinnacle of Mustang performance. The GT500 relegates
>>>>> it to "also ran" status. More motor, and better looks, too. The
>>>>> bastids keep coming up with ways to get my money. :)
>>>> The last Mustang I bought new was in 1989 and I still have it. The
>>>> '05s were the first model to really make me want to buy another
>>>> one. IMO, Ford has hit a grand slam homerun with it. I can only
>>>> imagine the other models they will spin off. I see them releasing
>>>> an ass kicking NA Boss Mustang in a few years.
>>>>
>>>>> Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be
>>>>> nice if it came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown
>>>>> 4.6 came with. The baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at
>>>>> 386.
>>>> My guess is it will make between 425-450 rwhp. That should put it
>>>> in the 500-525 hp range at the flywheel. I bet just a retune would
>>>> get it close to 500 rwhp.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's
>>>>> gonna be a feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the excitement
>>>>> the first of the '03 Mach 1s generated, it was a freakin' circus.
>>>> With 7,000 units I think the frenzy will die down after the first
>>>> couple thousand are delivered. If Ford does another 7,000 run the
>>>> following year then the price should stabilize to a little above
>>>> sticker or right at sticker, IMO.
>>> Michael, just a few thoughts from before:
>>>
>>> a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06 motor.
>>> You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test drive.
>>> ;)
>> He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are
>> not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :)
>
> With all the "new" pricing offered these days (i.e., employee pricing,
> no-haggle price, etc.), I'm wondering what the salesman's role will be.
> We should be able to buy cars the way we buy groceries or clothes.
>
>>> b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have
>>> some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your
>>> Ford dealer.
>> Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they
>> don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500 apart
>> from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron block
>> version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the
>> car.
>
> So the truth comes out! ;)
You know I'm a torque junky. How can I not be attracted to an engine
with a 5.4Ls of displacement WITH a twin screw blower. :)
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:286dnaQMocW6TaveRVn-pQ@giganews.com:
> Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>> news:VfOdnbi_gMejbqjeRVn-gA@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>> news:noSdnQ383deg56jenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:GdCdnRu-koIbxq7eRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon)
>>>>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would
>>>>>>> have thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be
>>>>>>> "terminated" itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed
>>>>>>> for us gear heads.
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I picked up the Cobra I was pretty confident it would be a
>>>>>> "keeper", the pinnacle of Mustang performance. The GT500
>>>>>> relegates it to "also ran" status. More motor, and better looks,
>>>>>> too. The bastids keep coming up with ways to get my money. :)
>>>>> The last Mustang I bought new was in 1989 and I still have it.
>>>>> The '05s were the first model to really make me want to buy
>>>>> another one. IMO, Ford has hit a grand slam homerun with it. I
>>>>> can only imagine the other models they will spin off. I see them
>>>>> releasing an ass kicking NA Boss Mustang in a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be
>>>>>> nice if it came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown
>>>>>> 4.6 came with. The baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at
>>>>>> 386.
>>>>> My guess is it will make between 425-450 rwhp. That should put
>>>>> it in the 500-525 hp range at the flywheel. I bet just a retune
>>>>> would get it close to 500 rwhp.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's
>>>>>> gonna be a feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the
>>>>>> excitement the first of the '03 Mach 1s generated, it was a
>>>>>> freakin' circus.
>>>>> With 7,000 units I think the frenzy will die down after the first
>>>>> couple thousand are delivered. If Ford does another 7,000 run
>>>>> the following year then the price should stabilize to a little
>>>>> above sticker or right at sticker, IMO.
>>>> Michael, just a few thoughts from before:
>>>>
>>>> a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06
>>>> motor. You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test
>>>> drive. ;)
>>> He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are
>>> not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :)
>>
>> With all the "new" pricing offered these days (i.e., employee
>> pricing, no-haggle price, etc.), I'm wondering what the salesman's
>> role will be. We should be able to buy cars the way we buy
>> groceries or clothes.
>>
>>>> b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have
>>>> some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from
>>>> your Ford dealer.
>>> Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they
>>> don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500
>>> apart from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron
>>> block version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts
>>> me to the car.
>>
>> So the truth comes out! ;)
>
> You know I'm a torque junky. How can I not be attracted to an engine
> with a 5.4Ls of displacement WITH a twin screw blower. :)
LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind yet?
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:286dnaQMocW6TaveRVn-pQ@giganews.com:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>news:VfOdnbi_gMejbqjeRVn-gA@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:noSdnQ383deg56jenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John C. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:GdCdnRu-koIbxq7eRVn-sw@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John C. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>'03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would
>>>>>>>>have thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be
>>>>>>>>"terminated" itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed
>>>>>>>>for us gear heads.
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, indeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When I picked up the Cobra I was pretty confident it would be a
>>>>>>>"keeper", the pinnacle of Mustang performance. The GT500
>>>>>>>relegates it to "also ran" status. More motor, and better looks,
>>>>>>>too. The bastids keep coming up with ways to get my money. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last Mustang I bought new was in 1989 and I still have it.
>>>>>>The '05s were the first model to really make me want to buy
>>>>>>another one. IMO, Ford has hit a grand slam homerun with it. I
>>>>>>can only imagine the other models they will spin off. I see them
>>>>>>releasing an ass kicking NA Boss Mustang in a few years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be
>>>>>>>nice if it came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown
>>>>>>>4.6 came with. The baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at
>>>>>>>386.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My guess is it will make between 425-450 rwhp. That should put
>>>>>>it in the 500-525 hp range at the flywheel. I bet just a retune
>>>>>>would get it close to 500 rwhp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's
>>>>>>>gonna be a feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the
>>>>>>>excitement the first of the '03 Mach 1s generated, it was a
>>>>>>>freakin' circus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With 7,000 units I think the frenzy will die down after the first
>>>>>>couple thousand are delivered. If Ford does another 7,000 run
>>>>>>the following year then the price should stabilize to a little
>>>>>>above sticker or right at sticker, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael, just a few thoughts from before:
>>>>>
>>>>>a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06
>>>>>motor. You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test
>>>>>drive. ;)
>>>>
>>>>He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are
>>>>not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :)
>>>
>>>With all the "new" pricing offered these days (i.e., employee
>>>pricing, no-haggle price, etc.), I'm wondering what the salesman's
>>>role will be. We should be able to buy cars the way we buy
>>>groceries or clothes.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have
>>>>>some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from
>>>>>your Ford dealer.
>>>>
>>>>Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they
>>>>don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500
>>>>apart from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron
>>>>block version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts
>>>>me to the car.
>>>
>>>So the truth comes out! ;)
>>
>>You know I'm a torque junky. How can I not be attracted to an engine
>>with a 5.4Ls of displacement WITH a twin screw blower. :)
>
>
> LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind yet?
There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also like
the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I
think that would make for a great little vacation. :)
In article <VfOdnbi_gMejbqjeRVn-gA@giganews.com>, Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they
> don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500 apart
> from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron block
> version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the car.
Me too. This car is the closest thing to GT that I am going to be able to
get. The tuner cars while nice just don't have that attraction to them.
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:5aCdnS9V0eACv6reRVn-1w@giganews.com:
> Joe wrote:
<snip>
>> LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind
yet?
>
> There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also
like
> the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I
> think that would make for a great little vacation. :)
True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home?
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:5aCdnS9V0eACv6reRVn-1w@giganews.com:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind
>
> yet?
>
>>There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also
>
> like
>
>>the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I
>>think that would make for a great little vacation. :)
>
>
> True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home?
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:5aCdnS9V0eACv6reRVn-1w@giganews.com:
>
>> Joe wrote:
> <snip>
>>> LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind
> yet?
>> There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also
> like
>> the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I
>> think that would make for a great little vacation. :)
>
> True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home?
Hopefully there will be a Ford dealer nearby. It would probably be a
good idea to know where they are along the return route. :)
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