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Old 04-22-2005, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
RichA
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New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
high.
-Rich
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Old 04-22-2005, 21:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

RichA wrote:

Rich,

Horsepower numbers are like badges, they don't mean a thing. It's all
about the performance, and that Shelby is going to perform! It will be
able suck up your Mach 1 and spit it out.

As for the price, it's listed at $39,999.

Patrick
'93 Cobra


> Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
> 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
> the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
> already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
> and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
> around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
> Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
> superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
> high.
> -Rich


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Old 04-22-2005, 22:01   #3 (permalink)
Michael Johnson, PE
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

I expect that 410 hp is an extremely underrated figure. A tuner will
have that engine making 600-700 rwhp in the blink of an eye. If it is
making 410 hp then Ford has the thing breathing through a soda straw.

RichA wrote:
> Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
> 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
> the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
> already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
> and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
> around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
> Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
> superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
> high.
> -Rich

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Old 04-23-2005, 00:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

I agree 410hp for a blown 5.4 seems a bit low.
Look at the 2003/?04? Cobra which is a blown 4.6 making ~400 hp.
You would think beefing it up to 5.4 would put it more around 470 hp...
Is that 5.4 going to be 16 or 32 valve? Maybe it is just a 16-valve and that
would explain it... ?
On the optimistic side, maybe they are using very little boost and also
tuning it conservative so that it is a very dependable and long-lasting
engine.
And maybe the torque numbers/curve is super impressive?
--
Scotter
96 GT vert

"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
> 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
> the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
> already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
> and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
> around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
> Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
> superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
> high.
> -Rich



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Old 04-23-2005, 00:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

In article <ggmi611gkm42qnjou8lqufkj8vv4fn57kd@4ax.com>, RichA wrote:
> superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
> high.


If that's the price forget it. It's still carrying over quite a bit from
the basic 6 cylinder car, and the competition in that price range
doesn't force people to put up with that.

$40K is pushing the acceptable limit for this car, regardless of how good
the engine is.


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Old 04-23-2005, 08:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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> RichA wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Horsepower numbers are like badges, they don't mean a thing. It's all
> about the performance, and that Shelby is going to perform! It will be
> able suck up your Mach 1 and spit it out.
>
> As for the price, it's listed at $39,999.
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra


I want to meet the man who picks one up for $39,999.

dwight
'93 non-Cobra


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Old 04-23-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

Autoweek's figures are a bit different...

2007 FORD SHELBY COBRA GT500
ON SALE: June 2006
BASE PRICE: $39,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 5.4-liter, 450-plus-hp, 450-plus-lb-ft supercharged V8; rwd,
six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3600 lbs (est.)
0 to 60 MPH: 4.5 seconds (est.)

Final horsepower figures are not firm, but Thai-Tang hints it will be "well
over 450 hp, closer to 500." Look for 450-plus lb-ft of torque too.

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102065


"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:ggmi611gkm42qnjou8lqufkj8vv4fn57kd@4ax.com...
> Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
> 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
> the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
> already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
> and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
> around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
> Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
> superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
> high.
> -Rich



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Old 04-23-2005, 21:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

Oh my gosh... $70-80k ...???

that bites
I had really hoped to figure out a way to buy one. Not in THIS lifetime.
Prolly not the next either... shit!

Kate

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Apart from that, the car looks
| superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
| high.
| -Rich


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Old 04-23-2005, 21:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

Do you think they will make it in a Vert????


"fclaugus" <fclaugus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Autoweek's figures are a bit different...
|
| 2007 FORD SHELBY COBRA GT500
| ON SALE: June 2006
| BASE PRICE: $39,000 (est.)
| POWERTRAIN: 5.4-liter, 450-plus-hp, 450-plus-lb-ft supercharged V8; rwd,
| six-speed manual
| CURB WEIGHT: 3600 lbs (est.)
| 0 to 60 MPH: 4.5 seconds (est.)
|
| Final horsepower figures are not firm, but Thai-Tang hints it will be
"well
| over 450 hp, closer to 500." Look for 450-plus lb-ft of torque too.
|
| http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102065
|
|
| "RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
| news:ggmi611gkm42qnjou8lqufkj8vv4fn57kd@4ax.com...
| > Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
| > 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
| > the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
| > already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
| > and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
| > around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
| > Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
| > superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
| > high.
| > -Rich
|
|


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Old 04-23-2005, 21:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: New Shelby Mustang in Motor Trend

Let's hope so. I figure by the time they make the convertible I just
might be in the market.


"SVTKate" <whoever@whatever.complaint.dept> wrote in
news:I6Dae.12361$go4.11421@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> Do you think they will make it in a Vert????
>
>
> "fclaugus" <fclaugus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:EJtae.10372$0d6.6817@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>| Autoweek's figures are a bit different...
>|
>| 2007 FORD SHELBY COBRA GT500
>| ON SALE: June 2006
>| BASE PRICE: $39,000 (est.)
>| POWERTRAIN: 5.4-liter, 450-plus-hp, 450-plus-lb-ft supercharged V8;
>| rwd, six-speed manual
>| CURB WEIGHT: 3600 lbs (est.)
>| 0 to 60 MPH: 4.5 seconds (est.)
>|
>| Final horsepower figures are not firm, but Thai-Tang hints it will
>| be
> "well
>| over 450 hp, closer to 500." Look for 450-plus lb-ft of torque too.
>|
>| http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102065
>|
>|
>| "RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>| news:ggmi611gkm42qnjou8lqufkj8vv4fn57kd@4ax.com...
>| > Is it me, or does 410 hp sound kind of low, coming from a
>| > 5.4 litre with a blower? It could be that they are downplaying
>| > the performance figures, but why do that today, the insurers
>| > already nail cars like this? My Mach-1 with it's smaller engine
>| > and no blower is probably and arguably rated at around 330-340hp,
>| > around 300 at the rear wheels so I find it hard to believe the
>| > Shelby is only 410. Apart from that, the car looks
>| > superb, but the $70-$80k U.S. price tag seems a little
>| > high.
>| > -Rich
>|
>|
>
>
>


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