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Old 09-09-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
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Production Rant

You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand.
I've been toying with the idea of picking up a new GT and supercharging
it for a weekend car and dealer after dealer has attempted to charge a
premium over MSRP or tell me that I should "wait a few months" for
demand to die down and then order what I want. I never thought I'd see
the day where a car dealer would tell me to hold my water a few months
instead of pulling out all the stops to make sure somebody left the
dealership with a car. Really wierd.
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Old 09-09-2005, 18:01   #2 (permalink)
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Try Crossroads Ford in Cary, NC. Tom Smith claims hae has plenty.

Ed

"Ritz" <ritz@mordor.net> wrote in message
news:depUe.32799$YC1.26983@fe08.lga...
> You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
> hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand. I've
> been toying with the idea of picking up a new GT and supercharging it for
> a weekend car and dealer after dealer has attempted to charge a premium
> over MSRP or tell me that I should "wait a few months" for demand to die
> down and then order what I want. I never thought I'd see the day where a
> car dealer would tell me to hold my water a few months instead of pulling
> out all the stops to make sure somebody left the dealership with a car.
> Really wierd.



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Old 09-09-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
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Ritz wrote:

> You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
> hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand.
> I've been toying with the idea of picking up a new GT and supercharging
> it for a weekend car and dealer after dealer has attempted to charge a
> premium over MSRP or tell me that I should "wait a few months" for
> demand to die down and then order what I want. I never thought I'd see
> the day where a car dealer would tell me to hold my water a few months
> instead of pulling out all the stops to make sure somebody left the
> dealership with a car. Really wierd.

I feel your pain!

I went through a similar situation about 3 weeks ago. FIRST, I was told
forget a trade, before I could even get the words out of my mouth that I
did not want to trade a vehicle in. Then the Sales Associate told me
sticker for the Windvale Blue GT and to plunk down a deposit right then and
there or face a bidding war. I said "woa, sticker, have to discuss this
with my wife." We went to eat lunch, decided to get it, went back to the
dealership about 2 hours later, and the car was sold it to someone who paid
$1,100 OVER sticker. They were showing the car to someone else as soon we
(wife and myself) stepped out of it from our test drive, and I guess they
told the guy that I was leaning towards buying it, but I did not put a
deposit down to lock in the vehicle or sticker price. For $1,100 over
sticker, I say the swindled fool can enjoy his new Mustang GT.

Going further, the Ford Sales Associate stated that he could order me a 2006
GT for a few hundred below sticker. I told him that I had more in mind to
pay a few hundred above invoice like I did every other new vehicle I have
purchased within the last 10 years.

Now, I am going to call one of my old college buddies because his father
owns a Ford dealership in another town to see if I should even attempt to
order one, or just wait. At least I know he won't try to screw me too bad.
After all, I was working out of town the last time I wanted a vehicle and
he told me to go and look at the various Fords at another dealership, and
he would sell it to me at $300 above invoice. I Found the truck I wanted,
and I got it for $300 above invoice.

Okay, that is enough of my rant.

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Paying sticker price sucks big weenies!
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Old 09-09-2005, 23:01   #4 (permalink)
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In article <depUe.32799$YC1.26983@fe08.lga>, Ritz wrote:
> You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
> hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand.


CAFE. And it's odd because it isn't ford that gets to make the extra
money but the dealerships.


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Old 09-10-2005, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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Brent P wrote:
> In article <depUe.32799$YC1.26983@fe08.lga>, Ritz wrote:
>
>>You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
>>hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand.

>
>
> CAFE. And it's odd because it isn't ford that gets to make the extra
> money but the dealerships.



If it was purely a CAFE issue, they could just dispense with those
idiotic Expeditions/Excursions that I see all the soccer moms driving
around town. I wonder if those folks are now enjoying their $125+
fillups. 8-)

Also, if it was purely a CAFE issue, there are plenty of ways to get
equivalent HP out of a forced induction 6 cyl instead of a (relatively
piggy) normally aspirated V8. Of course, I'd opt for the V8. 8-)

It's rather depressing that Ford finally makes a Mustang that I'd
actually want to own again (since the fox body) and you've got legions
of slimey dealers trying to jam it up your hiney to take advantage of
what is likely a very temporary "shortage." It's probably easier to buy
a GT....

Cheers,
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Old 09-10-2005, 11:01   #6 (permalink)
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Have you checked some of the internet price sources?

And, it sounds as if the dealer you talked to recognizes that the
prices are being inflated, and is possibly just trying to give you
some good advice, in his opinion.

I like to avoid the "Sales Associate" and deal with the manager
direct. I've found that by demanding to deal with the manager, I
"seem" to get more respect for what I want and the price I want to
pay, than dealing with the SAs, who have to run to the manager for
"approval" anyway.

As for Ford.... they already ramped up production on the 05. Still,
supply and demand being what it is, the dealers may be saying not to
pick up the pace too much.

It's the old story.... is it better to sell 1000 items at a low
price, or to sell 10 for the same total as the 1000? It should make no
difference to the seller. It works out the same. But it greatly
increases the customer base to sell at the lower price. In turn, if
the customers got good treatment and a good deal, they are more apt to
return for the next purchase.

There's a Rolls dealer in Indianapolis who won't even let you look at
what they have in the showroom with out an appointment AFTER they have
done a financial background check on you. Wonder how many they sell a
year.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:51:36 -0400, Ritz <ritz@mordor.net> wrote:

>You'd think that Ford would recognise that they have a winner on their
>hands with the new Mustang and *increase* production to meet demand.
>I've been toying with the idea of picking up a new GT and supercharging
>it for a weekend car and dealer after dealer has attempted to charge a
>premium over MSRP or tell me that I should "wait a few months" for
>demand to die down and then order what I want. I never thought I'd see
>the day where a car dealer would tell me to hold my water a few months
>instead of pulling out all the stops to make sure somebody left the
>dealership with a car. Really wierd.


Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

Gad what fools these morons be....
Children are obscene but should not be heard
Give me a peperoni pizza... or give me a calzone!
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Old 09-11-2005, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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In article <mkAUe.37002$U63.14357@fe12.lga>, Ritz wrote:
> Brent P wrote:
>> CAFE. And it's odd because it isn't ford that gets to make the extra
>> money but the dealerships.

>


> If it was purely a CAFE issue, they could just dispense with those
> idiotic Expeditions/Excursions that I see all the soccer moms driving
> around town. I wonder if those folks are now enjoying their $125+
> fillups. 8-)


Trucks and cars are separate. That's why we have SUVs instead of station
wagons now. Truck CAFE is lower.

> It's rather depressing that Ford finally makes a Mustang that I'd
> actually want to own again (since the fox body) and you've got legions
> of slimey dealers trying to jam it up your hiney to take advantage of
> what is likely a very temporary "shortage." It's probably easier to buy
> a GT....


If they continue this I won't get a cobra. I'll just walk out of the
dealership.


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Old 09-11-2005, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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Complaining about this makes sense at all. You are either happy about the
Mustang's popularity or you aren't... meantime, if you have a hankering for
an Explorer at a really good price, you aren't complaining about it.

It would make absolutely NO sense for Ford to invest in additional tooling
to increase production for a few months. Since there's NO way of knowing
how long the Bull market in Mustangs will last, I'd expect Ford
shareholders to be highly pissed off if they increased production now then
idled it later. Lines not used cost money.

Maybe, someday, the lines will be automated to the point where they could
build 500's this week and Mustangs the next, but for now...
>
> There's a Rolls dealer in Indianapolis who won't even let you look at
> what they have in the showroom with out an appointment AFTER they have
> done a financial background check on you. Wonder how many they sell a
> year.
>


As many as they would if they allowed walk-in browsers. Or maybe more.

You want to boycott them too?

sheeesh!
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Old 09-12-2005, 16:01   #9 (permalink)
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:49:14 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

>Complaining about this makes sense at all. You are either happy about the
>Mustang's popularity or you aren't... meantime, if you have a hankering for
>an Explorer at a really good price, you aren't complaining about it.
>
>It would make absolutely NO sense for Ford to invest in additional tooling
>to increase production for a few months. Since there's NO way of knowing
>how long the Bull market in Mustangs will last, I'd expect Ford
>shareholders to be highly pissed off if they increased production now then
>idled it later. Lines not used cost money.
>
>Maybe, someday, the lines will be automated to the point where they could
>build 500's this week and Mustangs the next, but for now...
>>
>> There's a Rolls dealer in Indianapolis who won't even let you look at
>> what they have in the showroom with out an appointment AFTER they have
>> done a financial background check on you. Wonder how many they sell a
>> year.
>>

>
>As many as they would if they allowed walk-in browsers. Or maybe more.
>
>You want to boycott them too?
>
>sheeesh!


A) "I" wasn't complaining about anything. It makes no difference to me
since I'm not in the market to buy one.

B) I agree, it would make no sense for Ford to tool up another line.
The Ford numbers crunchers have already done their thing, and while
they were low on their estimates, they get paid to be as close as
possible so Ford doesn't waste by building more than the market demand
will support. Ford did increase the number of units produced, but did
not set up another line to do so.

C) Whether a huge price is charged for a single item, or a lower price
is charged for a million of the same item... the producer will make
the same amount from the product. It's what the producer's intent is.
To have a very high quality product by placing more attention into the
build, and/or catering to the elite... versus catering to the masses
and lowering the quality level. Although, on the quality side, even
the most expensive have had some problems.

Personally, I would rather have something a bit more unique. Not be
driving what everyone else is driving. My 65 FB falls into that zone.
Not every Tome, Dick, and Mary is driving one because there are a lot
fewer available.

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

Gad what fools these morons be....
Children are obscene but should not be heard
Give me a peperoni pizza... or give me a calzone!
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