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Old 03-17-2005, 00:12   #1 (permalink)
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Re: 1965 Mustang PS Conversion

Spike wrote:
> I thought Flaming River had begun producing a bolt in R&P matched to
> their tilt column. I know that with the kit you do not need to cut the
> column shaft as you do when you buy only the column.

Yes, that's the kit I used. You rip out all the
old junk, from the steering wheel to the spindles, and
install their kit.
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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 1965 Mustang PS Conversion

The negative wedge kit lowers the front end in what is generally
refereed to as a "Cobra drop" (though amount of drop varies).
These were available from Summit, Mustangs Plus, etc. Vintage wheel
works, who said I needed one with their Vintage 40 wheels when I up
sized to 16" doesn't sell them, so it's not like they say that just to
sell you something else.


This in turn, leads to a minor problem involving the anti-sway bar
during turns. The bump steer kit is like a spacer for the bar,
lowering and insulating the mount points.

Note that this is not the techno jargon but a simplified explanation.
Reportedly, the kit (in this case from Mustangs Plus) eliminates the
bump steer effect. Won't really know until I try it, but it's worth it
to me, and a few people in the club (local) suggested it as a good
move.

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:47:04 GMT, Wound Up <none@your.disposal> wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> As I recall, if you only do the column (of which I think I have seen 2
>> versions- one 12 position and one a 5 position) there is a point where
>> you need to use the sawzall anyway.
>>
>> I had RP in my MG Midget. The day I bought it, they opened up the
>> showroom window/doors so I could drive it out onto the highway. I did.
>> As I turned left onto the northbound lane, I found myself going
>> sideways. Shocked the heck out of the Japanese drivers all around me.
>> And we served dinner on my spouse's dinner plate sized eyes... LOL
>>
>> It's going to be a while before I get to RP. Too many higher priority
>> things on the list. I'm putting a bump steer kit on it anyway. The
>> negative wedge is on it already (Vintage Wheel Works said it was
>> necessary to go to the bigger wheels. No they don't sell them, so it
>> wasn't for the sale...

>
>How are those bump-steer kits? Any brand recs?
>Negative wedge... wasn't for sale? Me confused..
>
>and I could have bought one anywhere. They just
>> feel the handling is better. I may do the column though. I have a lot
>> of cross country travel to do (Kate- ice the beer, I gotta be in Ohio
>> the 23rd or 30th of April... ) and comfort is high on the priority
>> list.
>>
>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:00:56 -0700, ".boB"
>> <bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Spike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know the column is Flaming River, but isn't the R&P Flaming River as
>>>>well?
>>>>
>>>>Overall, what did you think? quality, ease of install, etc....
>>>
>>> Yes, it's all built by FR, column, rack, U-joints,
>>>cradle, etc. It think it's a pretty good quality, but
>>>there were a couple of things I was not happy with.
>>> I've used FR racks before, and never had any
>>>problems. I have one in my Cobra kit. They are
>>>smooth, long lasting, and fit the application well.
>>>I've never heard of one failing.
>>> The cradle fit almost exactly as designed. There
>>>was a poorly done weld on my car (not the cradle) that
>>>I had to modify for. And the right side rack bracket
>>>hit the starter motor, so I had to modify that a
>>>little. But the rack and cradle really was a simple
>>>bolt on affair.
>>> There are separate parts for headers and
>>>non-headers applications.
>>> The U-joints are very high quality. I think they
>>>are the best in the business.
>>> The column was another matter. It's a tilt, but
>>>only seems to have two positions. I had some trouble
>>>getting it wired correctly, the instructions were not
>>>exactly correct. I used the service manual to get that
>>>right. The floor plate is held to the column by two
>>>cheesy little #6 sheet metal screws. I added two steel
>>>#10 nutserts in their place, and two stainless bolts.
>>>And the column feels rough when you turn it, it makes a
>>>slight scraping noise. All in all, a shoddy piece of work.
>>>
>>> If I were to do it again, I would use the FR rack
>>>and cradle, and go to Iditit for the column. If you
>>>want power steering, go to Steeroids or Total Control.
>>>
>>> And here's another little tip that nobody has
>>>mentioned before. You know the stock '65 steering
>>>column and box are one piece, affectionately known as
>>>the "Thoracic Impaler". There is no way you're going
>>>to get that out in one piece with the engine in place.
>>> That's where a sawzall comes in.

>>
>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16


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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 1965 Mustang PS Conversion

Spike wrote:
> The negative wedge kit lowers the front end in what is generally
> refereed to as a "Cobra drop" (though amount of drop varies).
> These were available from Summit, Mustangs Plus, etc. Vintage wheel
> works, who said I needed one with their Vintage 40 wheels when I up
> sized to 16" doesn't sell them, so it's not like they say that just to
> sell you something else.


Gotcha... this is not the Shelby upper control arm, lowering, is it (you
do have a '65), it's just lowering the ride height?

> This in turn, leads to a minor problem involving the anti-sway bar
> during turns. The bump steer kit is like a spacer for the bar,
> lowering and insulating the mount points.


I've seen articles on it. I've heard it can be used to absorb bump
steer on all early Mustangs...

> Note that this is not the techno jargon but a simplified explanation.
> Reportedly, the kit (in this case from Mustangs Plus) eliminates the
> bump steer effect. Won't really know until I try it, but it's worth it
> to me, and a few people in the club (local) suggested it as a good
> move.


If you remember, let me know how the bump steer hardware works... I'm
curious.. thanks

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:47:04 GMT, Wound Up <none@your.disposal> wrote:
>
>
>>Spike wrote:
>>
>>>As I recall, if you only do the column (of which I think I have seen 2
>>>versions- one 12 position and one a 5 position) there is a point where
>>>you need to use the sawzall anyway.
>>>
>>>I had RP in my MG Midget. The day I bought it, they opened up the
>>>showroom window/doors so I could drive it out onto the highway. I did.
>>>As I turned left onto the northbound lane, I found myself going
>>>sideways. Shocked the heck out of the Japanese drivers all around me.
>>>And we served dinner on my spouse's dinner plate sized eyes... LOL
>>>
>>>It's going to be a while before I get to RP. Too many higher priority
>>>things on the list. I'm putting a bump steer kit on it anyway. The
>>>negative wedge is on it already (Vintage Wheel Works said it was
>>>necessary to go to the bigger wheels. No they don't sell them, so it
>>>wasn't for the sale...

>>
>>How are those bump-steer kits? Any brand recs?
>>Negative wedge... wasn't for sale? Me confused..
>>
>>and I could have bought one anywhere. They just
>>
>>>feel the handling is better. I may do the column though. I have a lot
>>>of cross country travel to do (Kate- ice the beer, I gotta be in Ohio
>>>the 23rd or 30th of April... ) and comfort is high on the priority
>>>list.
>>>
>>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:00:56 -0700, ".boB"
>>><bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Spike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I know the column is Flaming River, but isn't the R&P Flaming River as
>>>>>well?
>>>>>
>>>>>Overall, what did you think? quality, ease of install, etc....
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's all built by FR, column, rack, U-joints,
>>>>cradle, etc. It think it's a pretty good quality, but
>>>>there were a couple of things I was not happy with.
>>>> I've used FR racks before, and never had any
>>>>problems. I have one in my Cobra kit. They are
>>>>smooth, long lasting, and fit the application well.
>>>>I've never heard of one failing.
>>>> The cradle fit almost exactly as designed. There
>>>>was a poorly done weld on my car (not the cradle) that
>>>>I had to modify for. And the right side rack bracket
>>>>hit the starter motor, so I had to modify that a
>>>>little. But the rack and cradle really was a simple
>>>>bolt on affair.
>>>> There are separate parts for headers and
>>>>non-headers applications.
>>>> The U-joints are very high quality. I think they
>>>>are the best in the business.
>>>> The column was another matter. It's a tilt, but
>>>>only seems to have two positions. I had some trouble
>>>>getting it wired correctly, the instructions were not
>>>>exactly correct. I used the service manual to get that
>>>>right. The floor plate is held to the column by two
>>>>cheesy little #6 sheet metal screws. I added two steel
>>>>#10 nutserts in their place, and two stainless bolts.
>>>>And the column feels rough when you turn it, it makes a
>>>>slight scraping noise. All in all, a shoddy piece of work.
>>>>
>>>> If I were to do it again, I would use the FR rack
>>>>and cradle, and go to Iditit for the column. If you
>>>>want power steering, go to Steeroids or Total Control.
>>>>
>>>> And here's another little tip that nobody has
>>>>mentioned before. You know the stock '65 steering
>>>>column and box are one piece, affectionately known as
>>>>the "Thoracic Impaler". There is no way you're going
>>>>to get that out in one piece with the engine in place.
>>>>That's where a sawzall comes in.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>>>1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>>>Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>>>Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>>>w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

>>

>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16



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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 1965 Mustang PS Conversion

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:08:04 GMT, Wound Up <none@your.disposal> wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> The negative wedge kit lowers the front end in what is generally
>> refereed to as a "Cobra drop" (though amount of drop varies).
>> These were available from Summit, Mustangs Plus, etc. Vintage wheel
>> works, who said I needed one with their Vintage 40 wheels when I up
>> sized to 16" doesn't sell them, so it's not like they say that just to
>> sell you something else.

>
>Gotcha... this is not the Shelby upper control arm, lowering, is it (you
>do have a '65), it's just lowering the ride height?


It's a 65 and the Cobra drop is not the same length, but it amounts to
doing the same thing.
>
>> This in turn, leads to a minor problem involving the anti-sway bar
>> during turns. The bump steer kit is like a spacer for the bar,
>> lowering and insulating the mount points.

>
>I've seen articles on it. I've heard it can be used to absorb bump
>steer on all early Mustangs...


So I'm told. For the price (about $239 plus any tax and S&H) I'm not
losing a heck of a lot even if it didn't. The final bill (several
years in the making) for resto and all mods is in the neighborhood of
$40K and it's not even for a show car.
>
>> Note that this is not the techno jargon but a simplified explanation.
>> Reportedly, the kit (in this case from Mustangs Plus) eliminates the
>> bump steer effect. Won't really know until I try it, but it's worth it
>> to me, and a few people in the club (local) suggested it as a good
>> move.

>
>If you remember, let me know how the bump steer hardware works... I'm
>curious.. thanks
>
>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:47:04 GMT, Wound Up <none@your.disposal> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Spike wrote:
>>>
>>>>As I recall, if you only do the column (of which I think I have seen 2
>>>>versions- one 12 position and one a 5 position) there is a point where
>>>>you need to use the sawzall anyway.
>>>>
>>>>I had RP in my MG Midget. The day I bought it, they opened up the
>>>>showroom window/doors so I could drive it out onto the highway. I did.
>>>>As I turned left onto the northbound lane, I found myself going
>>>>sideways. Shocked the heck out of the Japanese drivers all around me.
>>>>And we served dinner on my spouse's dinner plate sized eyes... LOL
>>>>
>>>>It's going to be a while before I get to RP. Too many higher priority
>>>>things on the list. I'm putting a bump steer kit on it anyway. The
>>>>negative wedge is on it already (Vintage Wheel Works said it was
>>>>necessary to go to the bigger wheels. No they don't sell them, so it
>>>>wasn't for the sale...
>>>
>>>How are those bump-steer kits? Any brand recs?
>>>Negative wedge... wasn't for sale? Me confused..
>>>
>>>and I could have bought one anywhere. They just
>>>
>>>>feel the handling is better. I may do the column though. I have a lot
>>>>of cross country travel to do (Kate- ice the beer, I gotta be in Ohio
>>>>the 23rd or 30th of April... ) and comfort is high on the priority
>>>>list.
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:00:56 -0700, ".boB"
>>>><bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Spike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I know the column is Flaming River, but isn't the R&P Flaming River as
>>>>>>well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Overall, what did you think? quality, ease of install, etc....
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's all built by FR, column, rack, U-joints,
>>>>>cradle, etc. It think it's a pretty good quality, but
>>>>>there were a couple of things I was not happy with.
>>>>> I've used FR racks before, and never had any
>>>>>problems. I have one in my Cobra kit. They are
>>>>>smooth, long lasting, and fit the application well.
>>>>>I've never heard of one failing.
>>>>> The cradle fit almost exactly as designed. There
>>>>>was a poorly done weld on my car (not the cradle) that
>>>>>I had to modify for. And the right side rack bracket
>>>>>hit the starter motor, so I had to modify that a
>>>>>little. But the rack and cradle really was a simple
>>>>>bolt on affair.
>>>>> There are separate parts for headers and
>>>>>non-headers applications.
>>>>> The U-joints are very high quality. I think they
>>>>>are the best in the business.
>>>>> The column was another matter. It's a tilt, but
>>>>>only seems to have two positions. I had some trouble
>>>>>getting it wired correctly, the instructions were not
>>>>>exactly correct. I used the service manual to get that
>>>>>right. The floor plate is held to the column by two
>>>>>cheesy little #6 sheet metal screws. I added two steel
>>>>>#10 nutserts in their place, and two stainless bolts.
>>>>>And the column feels rough when you turn it, it makes a
>>>>>slight scraping noise. All in all, a shoddy piece of work.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were to do it again, I would use the FR rack
>>>>>and cradle, and go to Iditit for the column. If you
>>>>>want power steering, go to Steeroids or Total Control.
>>>>>
>>>>> And here's another little tip that nobody has
>>>>>mentioned before. You know the stock '65 steering
>>>>>column and box are one piece, affectionately known as
>>>>>the "Thoracic Impaler". There is no way you're going
>>>>>to get that out in one piece with the engine in place.
>>>>>That's where a sawzall comes in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>>>>1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>>>>Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>>>>Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>>>>w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
>>>

>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16


Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
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