> The Olds was purchased in late '76
> with a bad 400. I took it home,
> pulled the 400 and sold it,
> bought a 455 out of a wrecked '70 4-4-2,
> had it machined, assembled it myself
> I was 20). . . . It was never any faster
> than that.
Right, mid to high 12's, according to the "street" system of
comparisons to a "known" car. No drag strip runs, and not very quick
for a hot-rodded 455.
> Here is the elemental problem.
> You see but you don't comprehend.
> Plus, you are ASSuming "facts"
> not in evidence.
When I make assumptions I point them out. When I draw conclusions based
on circumstantial evidence I point them out. When I quote directly
from your own words, I point that out too. So the only "elemental
problem" I can see is your own dim-witted failure to grasp these simple
> More about the Olds? You bet:
I can't make the link work.
> > I've already typed what my evidence is:
> > (1) The fact that you state the
> > quarter mile times for your GT/CS or
> > your 4-4-2 as a range of one or two
> > tenths, suggests that you never
> > actually took them to the strip.
> > Instead, you beat somebody in a
> > street race who HAD been to the
> > strip and had run a 12.X. So you
> > started bragging that your car was
> > a 12.(X - 1) or 12.(X - 2).
> I hate to explain this to you, but
> that method, used over and over,
> actually gets pretty close to accurate.
> Argue it till you turn blue (I
> know Patty will), but if you beat
> a guy that ran 13.0 in street trim at
> the track, then you can safely ASSume
> that your car runs 13.0 or better.
> Think about it before you open your yap.
I thought about it. Now I'm opening my yap, and what the yap is saying
is that there are too many variables at play and differences between a
street race and a drag strip race to make the comparison more than a
rough estimate. Anyway, the point is not the validity of the
guesstimate method. The point is that I was right to conclude that you
were using the guesstimate method, and that your reliance on
guesstimates instead of precise E.T.'s was good evidence that you had
never taken the "13.3 - 13.2" GT/CS or the "15.7 - 15.5" 4-4-2 down a
race track. Thanks for the verification.
> > (2) In the many posts of yours
> > that I have read, you have never
> > described a drag strip run.
> Ah, but here we are again.
> You have claimed to have extracted my
> doings via Google, but have yet again
> ****ed up by lying about shit you
> have missed.
Ah, but here we are again. That is, once again I need a map to navigate
your tortured mental processes. How can I lie about things that I
never saw? If I claimed to have read all 13,000 of your BS posts, I
might be guilty of a biased selection. But I never claimed that. All
I ever claimed was that I did a few searches on a few key words, and
that I drew logical conclusions based on what I found. I have
repeatedly asked you to correct me if my conclusions are mistaken. The
only one who's ****ed up and lying is you.
So what exactly is it that you have posted about your on-track
exploits? Let's check your link:
"First run was a 17.155 at 80.90. Second run . . . 16.93 at 80.55. . .
.. All runs trapped at 80.xx. 60-foots are in the 2.5-second range.
Ambient air was in the 80's. Best time was 16.83."
Woo-hoo. Low 17's, high 16's? Stand back, John Force. So this is
your only strip experience in the past 20 years? I don't think that
puts you a whole lot ahead of me, with none.
> > (3) In the many posts of yours
> > that I have read, you have never been
> > shy about describing in extreme detail
> > just about every aspect of your
> > pathetic meaningless life, particularly
> > the automotive details.
> And yet I left out working as a
> light-duty mechanic out of high
> school, working at Sears automotive
> after that, and learning about race
> engines *during* high school at an
> SCCA Mustang-prep shop, including
> polishing and resizing several sets
> of Boss rods there. Did I mention I
> dated the owner's daughter? Walked
> into the shop one evening, and there
> she was, torquing down an intake.
> Love at first sight; I digress.
So with high school graduation in Spring 1974, we're talking 1973-1975?
This experience is news to me, and it's interesting and impressive, but
it's still 30 years in the past. And you were still the 17-year-old
dweeb who chose a 289-2v blinged-out Mustang over a 383 Road Runner, or
saving a few hundred more for a Cobra Jet Stang.
> Did I mention that prior to the Olds,
> in '75, I bought a '67 Cyclone
> GT hardtop? Yes, I know I did,
> because I mentioned a 150-mph speed run
> with it on city streets. How on
> EARTH did you ever miss that car,
Think about it for just a minute, Limpie, and I'm sure you can figure
it out, how on EARTH I missed your mention of a 150 mph run in 1975. To
help you out, here's a clue: one post out of 13,000. So here's your
In this post (dated April 2000, before I even started reading RAMFM),
you wrote this much about this car:
"But does it really matter to you what kind of speed they got out of
their cars? Isn't your own all that matters? If I told you my old
410-6V Cyclone could do 150, would you argue? Should you care?"
Here's your second, and evidently last, post about this car, dated
In this post you wrote this much:
" Same story with the '67 Cyclone GT 390 hardtop I had in '76. I
bought it with the stock carb on it. After a cam change, I obtained a
406 3-2V complete intake setup. Holy cfm, Batman! What a huge
difference! At 40-45 mph, I could bury the gas pedal, the C6 would drop
into first and smoke the tires, bang second, and I was gone."
OK, take it Limpie, you're on. How on EARTH could I have missed these
Anyway, dropping the flame crap for a moment, now have brought you all
the way forward in time to 1976, i.e., 28-29 years ago. Yes, I was not
aware that you street drove this car. Yes, you performed a couple easy
bolt-on upgrades. So you get credit for that much. But 29 years ago is
a long, long time ago.
> BTW, I ran that Cyclone at the
> very last race (Wednesday Grudge
> Night) at the old Irwindale Raceway,
> before it was scuttled.
"In 1976 the city of Irwindale leased the property to Miller Brewing
Company for one dollar a year to build a brewery." (
So we're still stuck at 28-29 years ago.
> Not only did I street race the Olds
> and the GT/CS, but also the
> above Cyclone (sold in '78),
> the '67 Cyclone ragtop, the '70 Spoiler,
> the '69 XR-7, both Fairlane Cobras,
> a 440 CHP Interceptor (see the sig
> here; missed another one)...
The linked post, from October 1999, has the following extensive
commentary on the cop car:
"Former Owner, '68 CHP Polara 440 Pursuit Special."
So yeah, I missed that one too. And what is the point of pulling up
these old posts anyway? The Snakes think it's puerile (childish) when
you do that.
But anyway, we've got a 13-second '68 GT/CS, a high 12's 4-4-2, a 410
Cyclone (a low 15, high 14 second car?), three Cobra Jet cars (low
14's, high 13's?), a 429 Cyclone (14's?), and an ex-cop Polara (high
15's?). Not a real impressive group, but more than I was aware of. I
knew of only two that were actually used as drivers, and the correct
total was eight. I was mistaken.
But we're still stuck in the '70's -- 25 years ago?
> ...and even my '82 Suzuki cafe
> bike (straight line, against cars,
Well congrats on that.
> > (4) As I just wrote to Carl, you
> > could rebut me quite easily, but you
> > never do.
> > Put it all together and I conclude
> > that you have never been down the
> > strip.
> You can't put it all together without
> all the facts. Google is not
> my autobiography, you poor
> disillusioned soul.
Pardon me, genius, but I don't think the word "disillusioned" applies.
It's embarassing when half-wits try to sound eloquent by misusing "big"
> > Again, you could rebut me quite easily.
> > So go ahead, please do. Tell
> > us your drag strip stories.
So that's it? A last-night-at-Irwindale run with a 14-15 second 410
Cyclone in 1976, and a run last September run with a 16-17 second car.
Well, you have indeed rebutted my conclusion that you have never run a
drag strip lap. My conclusion was wrong and I admit the error.
> This whole thing escalated because
> you were defending Patrick's
> honor, and his pathetic list of
> mechanical accomplishements.
That's not true. I stated that, within recent memory, Patrick has been
the "been-there-done-that" guy and you have been the do-nothing. I
never wrote a word about his "mechanical accomplishments." The
reference was to actually driving and racing a car. The statement
stands. Nothing you have written in this windy post of yours has
> I continue
> to laugh at this scenario, because
> it really does suck.
You need to get a new sense of humor, because the one you have really
does suck. You are much too easily amused.
> Why? Well, I started with tune-ups
> and belts and hoses and light
> shit like that when I was 14 and 15.
> My first manifold swap was a
> reseal on my mother's Cougar,
> when I swapped the autolite for a 2V
> Holley. (Swapped the exhausts for
> HP289's, also). I was 16. My first
> street race was in *that* car
> on the very first day my mother let me
> take it out by myself.
> The fifth [intake swap] was on a 390
> Ford pickup. These and cam, carb, rear gear,
> converter, shift kits, headers and god-only-
> knows what else on several
> cars before I turned 18.
That's some impressive stuff, and we know you also dropped a
replacement 289 into the GT/CS and the "built" 455 into the 4-4-2. But
this still only takes us up to the 1976 Olds engine swap. That's 28
> And while Patrick and his ilk were
> jacking off over the centerfold
> in Foxstang Monthly, I was pulling
> those cars apart and mapping the
> electronics for the alarm company database.
> I did that from '81 to '90,
> on just about everything out there.
> All domestics and Japs, Porsche,
> Ferrari, Jag, Mercedes, Lotus, BMW,
> DeLorean, Maserati, Fiat, VW. No
> Lamborghinis, though. Bummer. I was
> flown around the country to give
> installation seminars to other
> high-end installers. I was published
> four times in retail magazines in the 80's.
> I wrote numerous tech
> articles, including the first automated
> window rolling interfaces. I
> deciphered the compu-based electronics
> in the XJ-6 and the BMW 750 and
> 850 series (and the M3). I've done
> advanced wiring for a custom Porsche
> builder in L.A. and a street rod builder
> out here. Door locking
> systems, release solenoids, linear
> actuators. Sheeeiit.
1981-1990. Impressive stuff. But what does being an expert on car
alarms between 14 to 24 years ago have to do with the fact that (1)
you're not nearly the hands-on hot rod dude you claim to be and (2)
you're letting 20+ cool old cars rot and won't sell them and won't work
> Remember the big propane-conversion
> program Arizona had just a few
> years ago? Do you have any idea
> of the complexity of interfacing the
> computers for those things with the
> OEM electronics? Of course you
> don't. I was subcontracted to do
> those at $150 a pop, three a day.
Ahh, so you DID have to report some income, didn't you? That must have
> There's way more than this, but you
> get the jist. Or do you? Yes,
> Patrick *is* Bush Leaugue. So are you.
Well, I'd never argue that I was anything but bush when it comes to car
repairs. I mean, I dive in and I get it done (and done right, if I may
say so myself), but I'll never be confused with a professional
The thing is, neither will you. Sure, car alarm installs, you were a
national expert 15-25 years ago. But that was not exactly the point of
this flame fest, now was it? The point is that, for at least 10 years,
maybe 20, you have been nothing but a blowhard do-nothing with respect
to the old iron.
> Did you ever explain how it was
> you thought I was pulling
> my truck's engine to put in the Torino?
> No, you sidestepped that
I couldn't have sidestepped it if I did not know of it. Now I know. I
was mistaken. BFD.
> Oh, you won't admit a damn thing,
Not true. I admit that your '70's experiences were more extensive than
I had thought, by a factor of about 3 or 4. Instead of street-driving
only 2 mid-pack cars, you street drove three or four mid-pack cars and
three or four back-markers/jokes. You also went to the strip only once
"in the day," and once more last September, and are still waiting to
join even the 13 second club.
> but it's been fun going down
> memory lane.
It has been. I appreciate the effort.
> So now, after years of working
> on thousands of other
> peoples' cars, I get to settle
> into doing the stuff I've been
> collecting forever. Pics? Oh yeah,
> they'll be in the BB group as I go.
> Zero Day for me to start the "resto"
> hobby? May 27, 2006.
Let's just say we'll believe it when we see it. One recurring theme in
your posts over the years is your big plans, that you never execute. I
remember a mention of a Falcon open track car and some other car that
you were going to turn into a bracket racer. You were going to turn
the 4-4-2 into a Hurst Olds clone. You were going to build a big car
shelter or a big garage. Lots and lots of plans.
I think you have no idea what it's going to take to bring those cars
back, in terms of time and money. (I'M still laughing at your claim
that 30 cars left out in the rain and sun for years and years have only
three rust spots between them. You are in for a VERY big surprise when
you get down to work.) You're never going to get it done, and
particularly if you keep putting it off to that "someday" a year out.
> Just where the hell do
> I come up with the stuff? Hmm.