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Old 06-14-2005, 00:13   #1 (permalink)
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Re: 'If the Chrysler 300 is a hit, then new Mustang is a grand slam'

On 31 May 2005 20:01:47 -0700, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote something
wonderfully witty:

>Pretty flattering numbers for Team Mustang.
>
>---From BON---
>
>It was exactly four years ago this month that I wrote an article for
>BlueOvalNews titled "Mustang Remains Best Selling Coupe," where I
>illustrated that after nearly 40 years on the market, Ford's Mustang
>typically leads the sales chart among coupes. Now, with an all-new
>design, Mustang appears to be on track to continue pacing the coupe
>segment.
>
>Media reporting, unimaginative at best, seems to be overlooking
>Mustang's resurgent popularity. It seems to be more fashionable to tout
>the Japanese companies gains, but Mustang is at the least, equally as
>strong this year. Consider the month of April, when Mustang had a 25.9
>percent sales gain, equal to Toyota's gain. Even more noteworthy is the
>yearly comparison where Mustang has gained 19.2 percent in contrast to
>Toyota's 13.6 percent gain.
>
>Media coverage is just as wretchedly fixated on clamoring over the
>success of the Chrysler 300, especially crediting the car with the
>lions-share of DaimlerChrysler's 5.4 percent, four-month sales gain.
>What they fail to mention is that in the four-month comparison between
>this year and last, is that this year, the 300 has had four full months
>of sales, while last year, it had just entered the market in March.
>Therefore, the 300's 35,000-unit gain over last year does
>unquestionably add to DC's bottom line sales tally.
>
>Contrasting the Chrysler 300, Mustang had a full 12 months of sales
>last year, so achieving a comparable sale gain would be phenomenal.
>However, to Mustang's credit, it does have a 10,000-unit gain over last
>year.
>
>Regardless, my point is more clearly illustrated by presenting raw
>sales data. The Chrysler 300 has four-month sales this year of 49,089;
>the Mustang stands at a greater, 61,820. April sales were 12,837 for
>the 300, while Mustang had sales of 19,559 in April. Based upon all the
>hoopla surrounding the 300's success, I had been under the impression
>that it was the market's only triumphant sales story. But if the 300 is
>defined as a success, then the Mustang must be a grand slam home run.
>
>At this point it may be worth considering how Mustang fits within the
>context of total U.S. car sales. If the newly redesigned Mustang is a
>success as I've implied, then it should be illustratable not only in
>unit sales, but it should also have achieved a larger percentage of
>overall market sales. Since the new model was only on the market for a
>couple of months at the end of 2004, any measurement of success will
>only be notable in 2005 sales data.
>
>It is clearly revealed in the table below that the all-new Mustang is
>enjoying phenomenal success in the marketplace this year. Mustang has
>achieved 2.4% of the U.S. car market in the first four months of 2005,
>far better than any of the previous 15 years, as is confirmed in the
>following tabulation.
>
>While the Chrysler 300 may be the media darling when it comes to sales
>reporting, Mustang madness continues to roar through the streets of
>America.
>

I'm sorry, but I don't get the point. Your comparing two different
cars aimed at two different audiences. While there maybe some
crossover I doubt that anyone who was looking for a Four-Door sedan
was considering a two coupe or vice versa. Different cars, different
market segments.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:14   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 'If the Chrysler 300 is a hit, then new Mustang is a grand slam'

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:38:25 -0400, RichA <none@none.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:

<snip>

>>I'm sorry, but I don't get the point. Your comparing two different
>>cars aimed at two different audiences. While there maybe some
>>crossover I doubt that anyone who was looking for a Four-Door sedan
>>was considering a two coupe or vice versa. Different cars, different
>>market segments.

>
>The Mustang sales are impressive, simply because of the lack of
>overall support for coupes today. Chrysler is nuts though.
>If they took the new 300 engine, put it in a 2 door with 500lbs
>less weight, they have a REAL Charger instead of the JOKE they are
>putting out. They might as well call it the 300 Magnum.
>

Yeah I could deal with a Hemi in a two-door coupe ala Duster or Dart.
However, it seems that all of the other domestic manufacturers have
decided to let Ford have the Pony Car market all to themselves. I
wouldn't mind seeing a retro `67 Camaro with the LS-2 in it either.
Seems as if you want a Pony Car nowadays you got to stick with the
Stang. There just isn't any other choice. Until the 300 & the new
Charger the domestic manufacturers also left the RWD sedan market to
Ford as well. I don't get either decision, but hey I don't run an
automotive firm.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:14   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 'If the Chrysler 300 is a hit, then new Mustang is a grand slam'

RichA <none@none.com> wrote in
news:6lhs91tbtku2jt1j1m9e618nt3g29gl255@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:20:35 -0400, ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On 31 May 2005 20:01:47 -0700, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote something
>>wonderfully witty:
>>
>>>Pretty flattering numbers for Team Mustang.
>>>
>>>---From BON---
>>>
>>>It was exactly four years ago this month that I wrote an article
>>>for BlueOvalNews titled "Mustang Remains Best Selling Coupe," where
>>>I illustrated that after nearly 40 years on the market, Ford's
>>>Mustang typically leads the sales chart among coupes. Now, with an
>>>all-new design, Mustang appears to be on track to continue pacing
>>>the coupe segment.
>>>
>>>Media reporting, unimaginative at best, seems to be overlooking
>>>Mustang's resurgent popularity. It seems to be more fashionable to
>>>tout the Japanese companies gains, but Mustang is at the least,
>>>equally as strong this year. Consider the month of April, when
>>>Mustang had a 25.9 percent sales gain, equal to Toyota's gain. Even
>>>more noteworthy is the yearly comparison where Mustang has gained
>>>19.2 percent in contrast to Toyota's 13.6 percent gain.
>>>
>>>Media coverage is just as wretchedly fixated on clamoring over the
>>>success of the Chrysler 300, especially crediting the car with the
>>>lions-share of DaimlerChrysler's 5.4 percent, four-month sales
>>>gain. What they fail to mention is that in the four-month
>>>comparison between this year and last, is that this year, the 300
>>>has had four full months of sales, while last year, it had just
>>>entered the market in March. Therefore, the 300's 35,000-unit gain
>>>over last year does unquestionably add to DC's bottom line sales
>>>tally.
>>>
>>>Contrasting the Chrysler 300, Mustang had a full 12 months of sales
>>>last year, so achieving a comparable sale gain would be phenomenal.
>>>However, to Mustang's credit, it does have a 10,000-unit gain over
>>>last year.
>>>
>>>Regardless, my point is more clearly illustrated by presenting raw
>>>sales data. The Chrysler 300 has four-month sales this year of
>>>49,089; the Mustang stands at a greater, 61,820. April sales were
>>>12,837 for the 300, while Mustang had sales of 19,559 in April.
>>>Based upon all the hoopla surrounding the 300's success, I had been
>>>under the impression that it was the market's only triumphant sales
>>>story. But if the 300 is defined as a success, then the Mustang
>>>must be a grand slam home run.
>>>
>>>At this point it may be worth considering how Mustang fits within
>>>the context of total U.S. car sales. If the newly redesigned
>>>Mustang is a success as I've implied, then it should be
>>>illustratable not only in unit sales, but it should also have
>>>achieved a larger percentage of overall market sales. Since the new
>>>model was only on the market for a couple of months at the end of
>>>2004, any measurement of success will only be notable in 2005 sales
>>>data.
>>>
>>>It is clearly revealed in the table below that the all-new Mustang
>>>is enjoying phenomenal success in the marketplace this year.
>>>Mustang has achieved 2.4% of the U.S. car market in the first four
>>>months of 2005, far better than any of the previous 15 years, as is
>>>confirmed in the following tabulation.
>>>
>>>While the Chrysler 300 may be the media darling when it comes to
>>>sales reporting, Mustang madness continues to roar through the
>>>streets of America.
>>>

>>I'm sorry, but I don't get the point. Your comparing two different
>>cars aimed at two different audiences. While there maybe some
>>crossover I doubt that anyone who was looking for a Four-Door sedan
>>was considering a two coupe or vice versa. Different cars,
>>different market segments.

>
> The Mustang sales are impressive, simply because of the lack of
> overall support for coupes today. Chrysler is nuts though.


Nuts enough to post a sales increase, where Ford and GM are going home
with their tails between their legs. Not to mention their "junk"
status.

> If they took the new 300 engine, put it in a 2 door with 500lbs
> less weight, they have a REAL Charger instead of the JOKE they are
> putting out. They might as well call it the 300 Magnum.


The joke's on you, Rich. You're the one with the 4-door hangup.
425hp and 420lb-ft torque is major stuff regardless of how many doors
are hanging off the car.

Joe
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:19   #4 (permalink)
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Keep watch on the Charger a 6.1L is comming. Still a stang man but the
srt8 looks sweet in black.

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:19   #5 (permalink)
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"Hooked 87" <robertcampbell2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Keep watch on the Charger a 6.1L is comming. Still a stang man but the
> srt8 looks sweet in black.


It's STILL a 4-door and looks like a 300 with a fubar'd nose.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:20   #6 (permalink)
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"66 6F HCS" <92bottledance_spammit_@comcast.net> wrote in
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> "Hooked 87" <robertcampbell2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118362320.801602.175880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Keep watch on the Charger a 6.1L is comming. Still a stang man but
>> the srt8 looks sweet in black.

>
> It's STILL a 4-door and looks like a 300 with a fubar'd nose.


Scott, have you seen one in person yet?

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:20   #7 (permalink)
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"Joe" <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
> Scott, have you seen one in person yet?


No, but still looks like a 300 and it's a 4-door.
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Old 06-14-2005, 00:20   #8 (permalink)
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"66 6F HCS" <92bottledance_spammit_@comcast.net> wrote in
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> "Joe" <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
>> Scott, have you seen one in person yet?

>
> No, but still looks like a 300 and it's a 4-door.


Of course it's built on the same platform, but it's much better in
person. Before I saw it for real I didn't particularly like it at
all.

Personally, I don't mind the idea of a 4-door killer car at all.
Simply makes more sense to me with the rear seat and all. Of course,
2-doors are great for 2-seaters...

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Old 06-14-2005, 00:21   #9 (permalink)
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The charger looks much better inperson and the srt8 version have a
center scoop and rear wing with 18inch wheels. Looks like Chev gave up
and now its Mopar and Ford.
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