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Old 03-17-2005, 00:10   #1 (permalink)
ZombyWoof
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Re: Slow 1/4's for the 05's??

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa"
<tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:

>14.25-14.50??
>
>Read this post from the camaro.firebird ng. NO, I'm not trolling, and this
>guy may be BS'ing, but have any of you seen or run your '05 at the track?
>If I'm going to get smoked by an LS-1, I have no interest in a new GT. I'll
>go get a 98-02 T/A.
>

It may be a whole bunch of things. What if the guy's running them
didn't know what the hell they were doing? What if it was their first
time at the track? Even if they had experience making runs, more then
likely this was the first time they have had these particular cars at
the track.

I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
beat the shit out of first?


>> Last Wednesday, Feb 2, was opening day for the 05 season at Sacramento
>> Raceway. Two '05 Mustang GT's showed up, and everyone was interested to
>>see what they could do. Both cars had 5-speeds. They both ran pretty consistent
>> between 14.25 and 14.50. The best time I saw all night for either car was
>> 14.24, and that was with almost no wheel-spin off the line. I would have
>> thought it would run about the same as an LT1 powered fourth gen. The
>> horsepower and weight are about the same. The whole crowd agreed they were
>> pretty disappointing.

>


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Old 03-17-2005, 00:10   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Slow 1/4's for the 05's??

Oh no ! Its the 99 Cobra "where did my horsepower go" scenario. Of
course in that case the mags complained about the slow 1/4.

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Old 03-17-2005, 00:11   #3 (permalink)
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"2.3Sleeper" <spamdmanning@mwcmustangs.com> wrote in message
news:38nc92F5o8j8gU1@individual.net...
>
> "tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38m5l8F5olif1U1@individual.net...
> >
> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> > news:0tmb215e0t5l8saf8t8uqsgd4sr765tdr2@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa"
> > > <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> > >
> > > >14.25-14.50??
> > > >
> > > >Read this post from the camaro.firebird ng. NO, I'm not trolling,

and
> > this
> > > >guy may be BS'ing, but have any of you seen or run your '05 at the

> track?
> > > >If I'm going to get smoked by an LS-1, I have no interest in a new

GT.
> > I'll
> > > >go get a 98-02 T/A.
> > > >
> > > It may be a whole bunch of things. What if the guy's running them
> > > didn't know what the hell they were doing? What if it was their first
> > > time at the track? Even if they had experience making runs, more then
> > > likely this was the first time they have had these particular cars at
> > > the track.

> >
> > I guess you have a point, but .60-.90sec. off what the mags are runnung

> is
> > a huge difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
> > > Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
> > > Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
> > > right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
> > > WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
> > > 3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
> > > track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
> > > beat the shit out of first?
> > >

> >
> >
> > A regular T/A and Z-28 put out 305, and the WS6 and SS put out 320. Not

a
> > huge difference, worth a tenth or maybe 2.

>
> I dynoed a brand new WS-6 and made 333 at the wheels and dynoed and brand
> new SS and got 331 at the wheels. You aren't far off, but I can't imagine
> there being a 11 to 13 horsepower difference between cars.
>



No the difference is between the non ram-air cars (Z-28 & T/A) and the
ram-air cars (SS & T/A). Anyway, the LS-1 IS a killer engine regardless.


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Old 03-17-2005, 00:11   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Slow 1/4's for the 05's??

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:03:10 -0500, "tony kujawa"
<tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:

>
>"RSCamaro" <rscamero@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:42267647.1783511437@news.verizon.net...
>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:35:18 -0500, ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
>> >Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
>> >Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
>> >right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
>> >WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
>> >3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
>> >track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
>> >beat the shit out of first?

>>
>> In the last 6 months I've seen I think 4 unsold CamBirds. 3- 02' WS6
>> TransAm Yellow/black convertables and 1- 02 Z28/SS? red/silver. I
>> looked at two of the T/As one of each transmission type. The sticker
>> shock was too much for me though. I didn't even go inside to see what
>> kind of deal they might have had. BTW the widow stickers MSRP was
>> $40,000.
>>
>> ...Ron

>
>
>Some of these assholes are asking more for the Ram Air T/A's than the
>'vette.
>

What is surprising is how many of them are still around new &
untitled. I do think they may be worth a buck or two in a couple of
decades, but I am not willing to bet the IRA on it.

There are an awful lot of `04 GTOs and Chevy SSRs still out there on
the dealers lots as well. I know plenty of people who paid way over
sticker to get one of these when they first came out. Hell locally an
$50k SSR can be had for about $32k right now. I've seen the `04 GTO's
as low as $25k.
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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #5 (permalink)
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"tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> news:0tmb215e0t5l8saf8t8uqsgd4sr765tdr2@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa"
> > <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> > I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
> > Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
> > Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
> > right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
> > WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
> > 3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
> > track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
> > beat the shit out of first?

>
> A regular T/A and Z-28 put out 305, and the WS6 and SS put out 320. Not a
> huge difference, worth a tenth or maybe 2. These run from high to low

13's
> depending on driver and tranny. You are correct on these cars having the
> shit beat out of them, but I am looking for one with under 20K miles and
> under $20K.


Not to be a smartass, but 20,000 / .25 = potentially 80,000 1/4 mile runs!
:)


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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #6 (permalink)
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"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38m5l8F5olif1U1@individual.net...
> >
> > "ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
> > news:0tmb215e0t5l8saf8t8uqsgd4sr765tdr2@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa"
> > > <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
> > > I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
> > > Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
> > > Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
> > > right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
> > > WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
> > > 3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
> > > track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
> > > beat the shit out of first?

> >
> > A regular T/A and Z-28 put out 305, and the WS6 and SS put out 320. Not

a
> > huge difference, worth a tenth or maybe 2. These run from high to low

> 13's
> > depending on driver and tranny. You are correct on these cars having

the
> > shit beat out of them, but I am looking for one with under 20K miles and
> > under $20K.

>
> Not to be a smartass, but 20,000 / .25 = potentially 80,000 1/4 mile runs!
> :)



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Old 03-17-2005, 00:13   #7 (permalink)
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Cory Dunkle wrote:
> "tony kujawa" <tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38m5l8F5olif1U1@individual.net...
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>>"ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in message
>>news:0tmb215e0t5l8saf8t8uqsgd4sr765tdr2@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:35:56 -0500, "tony kujawa"
>>><tjktjk2003@yahoo.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>>>I am not going to go look-up the raw hp numbers on the cars, but the
>>>Fourth Gen's (depending on the exact model) used de-tuned Corvette
>>>Engines (LS-1). Also just because you get a T/A you may not get the
>>>right T/A. If your looking for balls out, you'll want one with the
>>>WS6 package on it. Ask yourself this question as well. Do I want a
>>>3-6 year old muscle car that someone else has been running at the
>>>track or beating the shit out of or do I want I new car that I can
>>>beat the shit out of first?

>>
>>A regular T/A and Z-28 put out 305, and the WS6 and SS put out 320. Not a
>>huge difference, worth a tenth or maybe 2. These run from high to low

>
> 13's
>
>>depending on driver and tranny. You are correct on these cars having the
>>shit beat out of them, but I am looking for one with under 20K miles and
>>under $20K.

>
>
> Not to be a smartass, but 20,000 / .25 = potentially 80,000 1/4 mile runs!
> :)
>
>

Is that number with or without wheel spin?
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