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Old 09-23-2005, 00:01   #1 (permalink)
BradandBrooks
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Rotors...

Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a mushy pedal.

(Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)

Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good. Not worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL does that mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out, okay, I'm a dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.

The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock parts btw...

Thanks guys!

Brad



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Old 09-23-2005, 07:01   #2 (permalink)
Dave Combs
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Re: Rotors...

Sometime I am like Brad and wonder if I'm being scammed. It always seem
like they needed to be turned and, of course, there's a limited number of
times that can be done. When I was doing my own brakes I would simply
replace the pads and that seemed to work quite well.

Dave

"BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:tpNYe.248966$Hk.208589@pd7tw1no...
Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a mushy
pedal.

(Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)

Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good. Not
worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL does that
mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out, okay, I'm a
dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.

The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock parts
btw...

Thanks guys!

Brad


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Old 09-23-2005, 12:01   #3 (permalink)
WindsorFox[SS]
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Re: Rotors...

BradandBrooks wrote:
> Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a
> mushy pedal.
>
> (Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)
>
> Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good.
> Not worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL
> does that mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out,
> okay, I'm a dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.
>
> The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock
> parts btw...
>


It means there is nothing wrong with your rotors and they were
hoping you would replace them anyway.


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clueless gets you committed..." - JG
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Old 09-23-2005, 14:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Rotors...


"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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> BradandBrooks wrote:
>> Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a
>> mushy pedal.
>> (Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)
>> Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good.
>> Not worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL
>> does that mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out,
>> okay, I'm a dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this
>> one.
>> The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock
>> parts btw...
>>

>
> It means there is nothing wrong with your rotors and they were hoping
> you would replace them anyway.
>
>
> --
>
> "Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
> clueless gets you committed..." - JG



Sweet. Thanks! :)

Brad


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Old 09-23-2005, 19:01   #5 (permalink)
Jim Warman
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Re: Rotors...

Well, let's take a brief interlude from the usual (and quite evident) "all
mechanics are asshole scammy bastards" and "all shops will pouind it up
yoiur ass hard enough to make you scream" and get into real life..... This
is no to say that there aren't scammy bastards out there, and there's no
lack of shops that make you supply you're own vaseline.... BUT...

Someone said your rotors aren't too good.... I've said similar things many
times.... Not being able to see yours, leaves me (and the scammy bastard
advocates) at a disadvantage.

Your rotors aren't too good can also mean.... if they were on my car, I
would replace them....... these rotors may have you telling folks my brake
job stinks but I have no legal reason to fail them at this time.....

Isn't it interesting that everyone wants the "cheap bid" yet everyone gets
pissed when the cheap bid proves to be cheap.

FWIW... I serve what might be described as "high end" customers. These are
folks that insist on dependale, reliable vehicles. They aren't mad at the
price of the repair... they are mad at repeat repairs. They hate visiting me
but they want me to be sure that they don't have to visit me anytime in the
near future.

The art of auto repair has many definitions... Some on this NG, if they were
to meet me professionally, would probably consider me a "scammy bastard"....
Truth of the matter is that I will service your vehicle in a manner that
will almost eliminate the chance of unexpected breakdowns.... Others (like
my son) prefer to operate from one breakdown to the next all the while
insisting they "service" the vehicle regularly. Unfortunately, I can't see
how we can substitute the word "service" for the word "repair"....

In my world, I have two options... replace suspect parts and be called a
scam artist.or fail to replace suspect parts and have the quality of my
repairs called into question. Surprisingly, I can throw unecessary part
after unecessary part at someones vehicle in a vain attempt to cover my lack
of diagnostic ability and that would make me a "thorough mechanic"....




"BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:tpNYe.248966$Hk.208589@pd7tw1no...
Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a mushy
pedal.

(Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)

Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good. Not
worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL does that
mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out, okay, I'm a
dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.

The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock parts
btw...

Thanks guys!

Brad


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Old 09-23-2005, 21:01   #6 (permalink)
Dave Combs
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Re: Rotors...

Jim--

As a professional you do indeed have an obligation to do the right thing
whether moral or legal. I just had my injectors replaced on my '90 LX 5.0.
They said they could locate the bad one and replace it but there might be
others going bad down the road so I agreed to have them all replaced. They
also recommended Ford OEM ones over the NAPA ones at a higher price,
obviously, to which I agreed. So I guess I'm your kind of customer. As I
mentioned in my earlier post on this thread when I used to do my own brake
work I just replaced the pads but that's my problem. When I pay good money
for a professional job I expect a trouble free repair so I am. maybe the
only one, on your side.

Dave


"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in message
news:pL1Ze.189738$wr.36340@clgrps12...
> Well, let's take a brief interlude from the usual (and quite evident) "all
> mechanics are asshole scammy bastards" and "all shops will pouind it up
> yoiur ass hard enough to make you scream" and get into real life..... This
> is no to say that there aren't scammy bastards out there, and there's no
> lack of shops that make you supply you're own vaseline.... BUT...
>
> Someone said your rotors aren't too good.... I've said similar things many
> times.... Not being able to see yours, leaves me (and the scammy bastard
> advocates) at a disadvantage.
>
> Your rotors aren't too good can also mean.... if they were on my car, I
> would replace them....... these rotors may have you telling folks my brake
> job stinks but I have no legal reason to fail them at this time.....
>
> Isn't it interesting that everyone wants the "cheap bid" yet everyone gets
> pissed when the cheap bid proves to be cheap.
>
> FWIW... I serve what might be described as "high end" customers. These are
> folks that insist on dependale, reliable vehicles. They aren't mad at the
> price of the repair... they are mad at repeat repairs. They hate visiting

me
> but they want me to be sure that they don't have to visit me anytime in

the
> near future.
>
> The art of auto repair has many definitions... Some on this NG, if they

were
> to meet me professionally, would probably consider me a "scammy

bastard"....
> Truth of the matter is that I will service your vehicle in a manner that
> will almost eliminate the chance of unexpected breakdowns.... Others (like
> my son) prefer to operate from one breakdown to the next all the while
> insisting they "service" the vehicle regularly. Unfortunately, I can't see
> how we can substitute the word "service" for the word "repair"....
>
> In my world, I have two options... replace suspect parts and be called a
> scam artist.or fail to replace suspect parts and have the quality of my
> repairs called into question. Surprisingly, I can throw unecessary part
> after unecessary part at someones vehicle in a vain attempt to cover my

lack
> of diagnostic ability and that would make me a "thorough mechanic"....
>
>
>
>
> "BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:tpNYe.248966$Hk.208589@pd7tw1no...
> Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a mushy
> pedal.
>
> (Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)
>
> Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good.

Not
> worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL does

that
> mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out, okay, I'm a
> dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.
>
> The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock parts
> btw...
>
> Thanks guys!
>
> Brad
>
>



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Old 09-23-2005, 23:02   #7 (permalink)
Brent P
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Re: Rotors...

In article <D34Ze.515$556.242@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Dave Combs wrote:
> As a professional you do indeed have an obligation to do the right thing
> whether moral or legal. I just had my injectors replaced on my '90 LX 5.0.
> They said they could locate the bad one and replace it but there might be
> others going bad down the road so I agreed to have them all replaced. They
> also recommended Ford OEM ones over the NAPA ones at a higher price,
> obviously, to which I agreed. So I guess I'm your kind of customer. As I
> mentioned in my earlier post on this thread when I used to do my own brake
> work I just replaced the pads but that's my problem. When I pay good money
> for a professional job I expect a trouble free repair so I am. maybe the
> only one, on your side.


There's different motivations behind a shop doing a job and doing it
yourself. Labor is expensive. For instance, my mustang got banged up when
a 16 year old turned left 5 feet in front of me. I got the hood and
bumper cover back and am fixing them. The body shop just replaced them.
Even at the cost of new ford parts it's cheaper than their guy doing the
work to make the originals right. But I can just work on them when I am
bored and eventually I'll have viable spares.

Same thing with your injectors I'll guess. You could have paid them to
find the one bad injector or just paid to have them all replaced. It
doesn't make sense to pay all that labor and then still have all the old
parts. But for someone doing it themselves, maybe the money is worth more
than the time.

For someone knowledgable about cars and such it's easy to figure out the
motivations. However there are some shops out there that are just scams.
I still remember one particular shop that tried to scam my brother when
he hobbled his car off the road to the shop. After talking to guy on the
phone I simply told my brother to have the car towed home and I'd look at
it. The shop was trying to scam him, big time.

The problem is the average person doesn't know the difference between the
two. So they got burned once, but then a mechanic suggests something that
is perfectly reasonable and it's thought to be another scam.



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Old 09-24-2005, 00:01   #8 (permalink)
Jim Warman
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Re: Rotors...

Thanks, Dave... in actuality there are many consumers on my side... on a
Friday night, these people are enjoying an evening with their loved ones or
are pre-occupied with a hobby or other interest. These folks aren't
bothered with shoddy, low ball repairs. They aren't worried that they wont
make it to work or their next appointment.

There are those that are only concerned with "what's broke".... there are
those who prefer to avoid addressing a related concern on a subsequent
visit. It's a matter of taste.... we can drive from one scheduled service to
another, comfortable in the feeling that we wont be stranded or
embarrassed - or we can drive from one breakdown to the next, bitching about
the poor quality of service we doom ourselves to....


"Dave Combs" <jdcombs@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:D34Ze.515$556.242@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> Jim--
>
> As a professional you do indeed have an obligation to do the right thing
> whether moral or legal. I just had my injectors replaced on my '90 LX

5.0.
> They said they could locate the bad one and replace it but there might be
> others going bad down the road so I agreed to have them all replaced.

They
> also recommended Ford OEM ones over the NAPA ones at a higher price,
> obviously, to which I agreed. So I guess I'm your kind of customer. As I
> mentioned in my earlier post on this thread when I used to do my own brake
> work I just replaced the pads but that's my problem. When I pay good

money
> for a professional job I expect a trouble free repair so I am. maybe the
> only one, on your side.
>
> Dave
>
>
> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in message
> news:pL1Ze.189738$wr.36340@clgrps12...
> > Well, let's take a brief interlude from the usual (and quite evident)

"all
> > mechanics are asshole scammy bastards" and "all shops will pouind it up
> > yoiur ass hard enough to make you scream" and get into real life.....

This
> > is no to say that there aren't scammy bastards out there, and there's no
> > lack of shops that make you supply you're own vaseline.... BUT...
> >
> > Someone said your rotors aren't too good.... I've said similar things

many
> > times.... Not being able to see yours, leaves me (and the scammy bastard
> > advocates) at a disadvantage.
> >
> > Your rotors aren't too good can also mean.... if they were on my car, I
> > would replace them....... these rotors may have you telling folks my

brake
> > job stinks but I have no legal reason to fail them at this time.....
> >
> > Isn't it interesting that everyone wants the "cheap bid" yet everyone

gets
> > pissed when the cheap bid proves to be cheap.
> >
> > FWIW... I serve what might be described as "high end" customers. These

are
> > folks that insist on dependale, reliable vehicles. They aren't mad at

the
> > price of the repair... they are mad at repeat repairs. They hate

visiting
> me
> > but they want me to be sure that they don't have to visit me anytime in

> the
> > near future.
> >
> > The art of auto repair has many definitions... Some on this NG, if they

> were
> > to meet me professionally, would probably consider me a "scammy

> bastard"....
> > Truth of the matter is that I will service your vehicle in a manner that
> > will almost eliminate the chance of unexpected breakdowns.... Others

(like
> > my son) prefer to operate from one breakdown to the next all the while
> > insisting they "service" the vehicle regularly. Unfortunately, I can't

see
> > how we can substitute the word "service" for the word "repair"....
> >
> > In my world, I have two options... replace suspect parts and be called a
> > scam artist.or fail to replace suspect parts and have the quality of my
> > repairs called into question. Surprisingly, I can throw unecessary part
> > after unecessary part at someones vehicle in a vain attempt to cover my

> lack
> > of diagnostic ability and that would make me a "thorough mechanic"....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:tpNYe.248966$Hk.208589@pd7tw1no...
> > Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and a

mushy
> > pedal.
> >
> > (Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I know.)
> >
> > Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too good.

> Not
> > worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL does

> that
> > mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out, okay, I'm

a
> > dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.
> >
> > The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock

parts
> > btw...
> >
> > Thanks guys!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 09-24-2005, 07:01   #9 (permalink)
Dave Combs
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Re: Rotors...

Brent--You make some excellent points particularly relative to labor
charges. I've always had the philosophy that if they "open it up" then it
makes economic sense to put in new parts. On the injectors, the cost of the
labor off having it done again was more than the cost of all the injectors.
What's the old saying "penny wise and pound foolish" ?

"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NMSdnQ0TNK-We6nenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> In article <D34Ze.515$556.242@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Dave Combs wrote:
> > As a professional you do indeed have an obligation to do the right thing
> > whether moral or legal. I just had my injectors replaced on my '90 LX

5.0.
> > They said they could locate the bad one and replace it but there might

be
> > others going bad down the road so I agreed to have them all replaced.

They
> > also recommended Ford OEM ones over the NAPA ones at a higher price,
> > obviously, to which I agreed. So I guess I'm your kind of customer. As

I
> > mentioned in my earlier post on this thread when I used to do my own

brake
> > work I just replaced the pads but that's my problem. When I pay good

money
> > for a professional job I expect a trouble free repair so I am. maybe the
> > only one, on your side.

>
> There's different motivations behind a shop doing a job and doing it
> yourself. Labor is expensive. For instance, my mustang got banged up when
> a 16 year old turned left 5 feet in front of me. I got the hood and
> bumper cover back and am fixing them. The body shop just replaced them.
> Even at the cost of new ford parts it's cheaper than their guy doing the
> work to make the originals right. But I can just work on them when I am
> bored and eventually I'll have viable spares.
>
> Same thing with your injectors I'll guess. You could have paid them to
> find the one bad injector or just paid to have them all replaced. It
> doesn't make sense to pay all that labor and then still have all the old
> parts. But for someone doing it themselves, maybe the money is worth more
> than the time.
>
> For someone knowledgable about cars and such it's easy to figure out the
> motivations. However there are some shops out there that are just scams.
> I still remember one particular shop that tried to scam my brother when
> he hobbled his car off the road to the shop. After talking to guy on the
> phone I simply told my brother to have the car towed home and I'd look at
> it. The shop was trying to scam him, big time.
>
> The problem is the average person doesn't know the difference between the
> two. So they got burned once, but then a mechanic suggests something that
> is perfectly reasonable and it's thought to be another scam.
>
>
>



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Old 09-24-2005, 14:01   #10 (permalink)
Backyard Mechanic
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Re: Rotors...

Jim, you're RIGHT! Arent I almost always on YOUR side?

But i do my OWN repairs, always had until I made good money, then a
professional 'friend' replaced my leaky escort water pump. Which bearing
then went out and ruined the engine 30,000 later.

And which same "friend" I saw scam ANOTHER acquaintance with a new PCM on
a fox tbird when the obvious fail was the relay in the kick-panel. I
freakin SAW the evidence on his COUNTER!

Since then, I went BACK to doing my own. Because the ONLY GOOD shop I
knew of always has a 1-2 week backlog.

So, I say to those who read this.. if you have a shop that treats you
right, NEVER try to low-ball them. Whether you DIY or pay for service,
NEVER low-ball parts either.

Never install cheap pads, or cheap rotors, either. But if your brakes
work right, they work right... up to you.





"Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in
news:u%5Ze.305121$on1.263577@clgrps13:

> Thanks, Dave... in actuality there are many consumers on my side... on
> a Friday night, these people are enjoying an evening with their loved
> ones or are pre-occupied with a hobby or other interest. These folks
> aren't bothered with shoddy, low ball repairs. They aren't worried
> that they wont make it to work or their next appointment.
>
> There are those that are only concerned with "what's broke".... there
> are those who prefer to avoid addressing a related concern on a
> subsequent visit. It's a matter of taste.... we can drive from one
> scheduled service to another, comfortable in the feeling that we wont
> be stranded or embarrassed - or we can drive from one breakdown to the
> next, bitching about the poor quality of service we doom ourselves
> to....
>
>
> "Dave Combs" <jdcombs@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:D34Ze.515$556.242@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> Jim--
>>
>> As a professional you do indeed have an obligation to do the right
>> thing whether moral or legal. I just had my injectors replaced on
>> my '90 LX

> 5.0.
>> They said they could locate the bad one and replace it but there
>> might be others going bad down the road so I agreed to have them all
>> replaced.

> They
>> also recommended Ford OEM ones over the NAPA ones at a higher price,
>> obviously, to which I agreed. So I guess I'm your kind of customer.
>> As I mentioned in my earlier post on this thread when I used to do my
>> own brake work I just replaced the pads but that's my problem. When
>> I pay good

> money
>> for a professional job I expect a trouble free repair so I am. maybe
>> the only one, on your side.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> "Jim Warman" <mechanic@tenalpsulet.net> wrote in message
>> news:pL1Ze.189738$wr.36340@clgrps12...
>> > Well, let's take a brief interlude from the usual (and quite
>> > evident)

> "all
>> > mechanics are asshole scammy bastards" and "all shops will pouind
>> > it up yoiur ass hard enough to make you scream" and get into real
>> > life.....

> This
>> > is no to say that there aren't scammy bastards out there, and
>> > there's no lack of shops that make you supply you're own
>> > vaseline.... BUT...
>> >
>> > Someone said your rotors aren't too good.... I've said similar
>> > things

> many
>> > times.... Not being able to see yours, leaves me (and the scammy
>> > bastard advocates) at a disadvantage.
>> >
>> > Your rotors aren't too good can also mean.... if they were on my
>> > car, I would replace them....... these rotors may have you telling
>> > folks my

> brake
>> > job stinks but I have no legal reason to fail them at this
>> > time.....
>> >
>> > Isn't it interesting that everyone wants the "cheap bid" yet
>> > everyone

> gets
>> > pissed when the cheap bid proves to be cheap.
>> >
>> > FWIW... I serve what might be described as "high end" customers.
>> > These

> are
>> > folks that insist on dependale, reliable vehicles. They aren't mad
>> > at

> the
>> > price of the repair... they are mad at repeat repairs. They hate

> visiting
>> me
>> > but they want me to be sure that they don't have to visit me
>> > anytime in

>> the
>> > near future.
>> >
>> > The art of auto repair has many definitions... Some on this NG, if
>> > they

>> were
>> > to meet me professionally, would probably consider me a "scammy

>> bastard"....
>> > Truth of the matter is that I will service your vehicle in a manner
>> > that will almost eliminate the chance of unexpected breakdowns....
>> > Others

> (like
>> > my son) prefer to operate from one breakdown to the next all the
>> > while insisting they "service" the vehicle regularly.
>> > Unfortunately, I can't

> see
>> > how we can substitute the word "service" for the word "repair"....
>> >
>> > In my world, I have two options... replace suspect parts and be
>> > called a scam artist.or fail to replace suspect parts and have the
>> > quality of my repairs called into question. Surprisingly, I can
>> > throw unecessary part after unecessary part at someones vehicle in
>> > a vain attempt to cover my

>> lack
>> > of diagnostic ability and that would make me a "thorough
>> > mechanic"....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "BradandBrooks" <BradandBrooks@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:tpNYe.248966$Hk.208589@pd7tw1no...
>> > Took my 5.0 into Ford for some brake work - a little squeaking and
>> > a

> mushy
>> > pedal.
>> >
>> > (Car is a 93 and has 36,000 miles. Original brakes as far as I
>> > know.)
>> >
>> > Well, they replaced the front pads but said the rotors are not too
>> > good.

>> Not
>> > worth replacing, but that they will "warp quickly". WHAT the HELL
>> > does

>> that
>> > mean? Either you replace them or not??? If I burned them out,
>> > okay, I'm

> a
>> > dummy, if not, they will work. Ford techs, help me on this one.
>> >
>> > The brakes work nice now and the pedal is high and light. All stock

> parts
>> > btw...
>> >
>> > Thanks guys!
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

>
>
>


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