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Old 11-15-2005, 22:01   #1 (permalink)
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Shelby name question

Hello,
I am a bit confused. Are all Shelbys Mustangs? Or does Shelby make cars
called Shelbys that are not Mustangs?
Thanks!


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Old 11-15-2005, 23:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Shelby name question

In article <qHyef.7143$vS4.5847@trnddc01>, JT wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a bit confused. Are all Shelbys Mustangs? Or does Shelby make cars
> called Shelbys that are not Mustangs?


Carrol Shelby has made or licensed a wide variety of vehicles over the
years.

If anyone comes across a Shelby de Mexico Maverick, let me know, I'll buy
it.


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Old 11-15-2005, 23:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Shelby name question

JT wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a bit confused. Are all Shelbys Mustangs? Or does Shelby make cars
> called Shelbys that are not Mustangs?
> Thanks!
>
>

Shelby made a lot of cars, and most of them were Mustangs. There's (of course)
the Cobra, which was orginally an AC car. Then the hand built Daytona Coupes. Now
he's make his own cars; Cobra replicas, Mustang tuners, and his concept car roadster
(can't remember the name)
He also put his name on a few Dodge products. Including a pick up.

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Old 11-16-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8sCdnS3kD_3YWefeRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> In article <qHyef.7143$vS4.5847@trnddc01>, JT wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am a bit confused. Are all Shelbys Mustangs? Or does Shelby make cars
>> called Shelbys that are not Mustangs?

>
> Carrol Shelby has made or licensed a wide variety of vehicles over the
> years.
>
> If anyone comes across a Shelby de Mexico Maverick, let me know, I'll buy
> it.
>
>


His name has also gone one some less desireable vehicles such as the GLHS,
Lancer, CSX (Shadow/ Sundance) or other Chrysler products when Lee Iacocca
brought him over.

The Shelby De Mexico Maverick was once on ebay not to long ago.

-Nick


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Old 11-16-2005, 12:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Shelby name question

It would require a book at this point to catalog everything that
Carroll Shelby put his name on (chili mix, anyone?). But to go back to
the earliest days, C. Shelby was a fairly successful race car driver
with a bad heart, so bad he actually kept a nitroglycerin pill under
his tongue during races. His Drs. told him he had to quit. At the
same time, there was 4-cylinder British sports car called the Ace,
built by a company called AC, that was going out of production. Shelby
thought a small block Chevy transplant would make this car come alive.
He created a company called Shelby American to do it. But GM wouldn't
supply him with the engines. So he went to Ford, and Ford agreed to
supply the new for '62 260 ci Challenger engine. Here's a picture of
Shelby watching his helpers assemble the first Shelby American car, in
February 1962: http://www.mustangmods.com/data/9461/untitled_1.jpg.
They called it the Cobra. Although some people nowadays call these "AC
Cobras," and although AC in England actually built a few, they are
properly called Shelby American Cobras.

By the time the Mustang came out in April 1964, the Cobras, including a
variant called the Daytona Coupe, had had a lot of success on the
racetrack. So Shelby American was a known Ford performance brand. So
Ford came to Shelby and asked him to produce a performance version of
the Mustang. These cars are properly called the Shelby American
GT-350, and are sometimes called Shelby Mustangs. But they are NOT
Cobras.

In '67 Shelby American started ordering 390 big block cars and
transplanting so-called "Police Interceptor" 428's. These were called
GT-500's.

In '68, GT-350 and GT-500 production shifted from the Shelby American
factory in Los Angeles to the Detroit facilities of a Ford vendor
called W.O. Smith. Cobra production ceased. At some point, the data
plates in the W.O. Smith Mustangs started bearing the name Shelby
Automotive, not Shelby American. But they are still properly called
Shelbys.

In April 1968, Ford started putting "Cobra Jet" 428's in Mustangs. So
W.O. Smith didn't have to do an engine swap any more. They called
these 68.5's the GT-500KR.

Finally, '69 was the last year for GT-350 and GT-500 production.
Leftover '69's were re-VIN-ed as '70's, but they were built in the '69
model year.

By the end of 1968, Carroll Shelby was tired of the car biz, and spent
his time in Africa hunting big game. He returned to the fray with an
association with Mopar in the early '80's, starting with the turbo four
Dodge Omni GLH-S (S for Shelby).

180 Out

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Old 11-16-2005, 12:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Shelby name question

"ItsMe" <nospamforme@soptonline.net> wrote:

>
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8sCdnS3kD_3YWefeRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> In article <qHyef.7143$vS4.5847@trnddc01>, JT wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am a bit confused. Are all Shelbys Mustangs? Or does Shelby make
>>> cars called Shelbys that are not Mustangs?

>>
>> Carrol Shelby has made or licensed a wide variety of vehicles over
>> the years.
>>
>> If anyone comes across a Shelby de Mexico Maverick, let me know, I'll
>> buy it.
>>
>>

>
> His name has also gone one some less desireable vehicles such as the
> GLHS, Lancer, CSX (Shadow/ Sundance) or other Chrysler products when
> Lee Iacocca brought him over.


Shelby Charger! Who can forget it? Who doesnt WANT TO!

Whattapieceacrap!


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Old 11-16-2005, 12:01   #7 (permalink)
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one80out@hotmail.com wrote:

> By the end of 1968, Carroll Shelby was tired of the car biz, and spent
> his time in Africa hunting big game. He returned to the fray with an
> association with Mopar in the early '80's, starting with the turbo four
> Dodge Omni GLH-S (S for Shelby).
>
>


Thankfully, they had the lifetime of a hyperthyroidic mouse, thus we arent
assailed by the sight of those mutants, ... which looked old and beat up at
only a couple years on the road.

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Old 11-16-2005, 13:01   #8 (permalink)
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On 16 Nov 2005 10:07:49 -0800, one80out@hotmail.com wrote:

>It would require a book at this point to catalog everything that
>Carroll Shelby put his name on (chili mix, anyone?). But to go back to
>the earliest days, C. Shelby was a fairly successful race car driver
>with a bad heart, so bad he actually kept a nitroglycerin pill under
>his tongue during races. His Drs. told him he had to quit. At the
>same time, there was 4-cylinder British sports car called the Ace,
>built by a company called AC, that was going out of production. Shelby
>thought a small block Chevy transplant would make this car come alive.
> He created a company called Shelby American to do it. But GM wouldn't
>supply him with the engines. So he went to Ford, and Ford agreed to
>supply the new for '62 260 ci Challenger engine. Here's a picture of
>Shelby watching his helpers assemble the first Shelby American car, in
>February 1962: http://www.mustangmods.com/data/9461/untitled_1.jpg.
>They called it the Cobra. Although some people nowadays call these "AC
>Cobras," and although AC in England actually built a few, they are
>properly called Shelby American Cobras.
>
>By the time the Mustang came out in April 1964, the Cobras, including a
>variant called the Daytona Coupe, had had a lot of success on the
>racetrack. So Shelby American was a known Ford performance brand. So
>Ford came to Shelby and asked him to produce a performance version of
>the Mustang. These cars are properly called the Shelby American
>GT-350, and are sometimes called Shelby Mustangs. But they are NOT
>Cobras.
>
>In '67 Shelby American started ordering 390 big block cars and
>transplanting so-called "Police Interceptor" 428's. These were called
>GT-500's.
>
>In '68, GT-350 and GT-500 production shifted from the Shelby American
>factory in Los Angeles to the Detroit facilities of a Ford vendor
>called W.O. Smith. Cobra production ceased. At some point, the data
>plates in the W.O. Smith Mustangs started bearing the name Shelby
>Automotive, not Shelby American. But they are still properly called
>Shelbys.
>
>In April 1968, Ford started putting "Cobra Jet" 428's in Mustangs. So
>W.O. Smith didn't have to do an engine swap any more. They called
>these 68.5's the GT-500KR.
>
>Finally, '69 was the last year for GT-350 and GT-500 production.
>Leftover '69's were re-VIN-ed as '70's, but they were built in the '69
>model year.
>
>By the end of 1968, Carroll Shelby was tired of the car biz, and spent
>his time in Africa hunting big game. He returned to the fray with an
>association with Mopar in the early '80's, starting with the turbo four
>Dodge Omni GLH-S (S for Shelby).
>
>180 Out
>
>,

And while this history may be technically accurate.... CS "might" put
a bit of a spin on some of it... like the Mustang fastback came out
and he saw it and thought it would be a great race car platform...
rather than Ford approached him. But, this is to be expected 'cause
he's a good ol' boy.... : 0 )
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Old 11-16-2005, 13:01   #9 (permalink)
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I remember a letter to Car & Driver that joked that the initials stood
for "Great Little Hand-grenade, Short-fused." I also remember Carroll
Shelby saying that his goal with the GLH-S was acceleration, braking,
and skidpad g-force on a par with Ferrari -- which, with the Ferrari
being the 308 GTB, the bar was not all that high.

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Old 11-16-2005, 17:01   #10 (permalink)
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"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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> And while this history may be technically accurate.... CS "might" put
> a bit of a spin on some of it... like the Mustang fastback came out
> and he saw it and thought it would be a great race car platform...
> rather than Ford approached him. But, this is to be expected 'cause
> he's a good ol' boy.... : 0 )



And he never mentions that Ford couldn't win LeMans till they got someone
else to prepare the cars......

Ed


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