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Old 12-15-2005, 00:02   #1 (permalink)
Amanda
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Soft top and paint care

Please forgive my ignorance. I've been a Jeep guy for a long time. I'm
dumbfounded by the small tires and single drive axle, but very much enjoying
the ride.

OK, so the 99 'vert is the nicest looking vehicle I've ever owned, and I'd
like to keep it that way. My 'ol Jeep had a rag top from Bestop, and I would
just take it down to the you-scrub car wash down the street and blast the
hell out of everything with the pressure washer, scrub everything with the
brush and be on my merry way after another pressure washing to rinse the
soap off. If some water mangaged by any seals and into the tub, I really
didn't care because hey, it's a Jeep.

It's a pretty nice facility with soft brushes and warm water. I feel that
the brush and rinse method should keep me satisfied with the body of the
car, I'm reluctant to blast the soft top with the pressure washer, for fear
of it being more delicate than the one found on my Jeep. Also, I'm concerned
that the seals around the windshield and windows may leak with the high
pressure, and I'd also like to avoid that.

Should I just wash the car normally, rinse it with the pressure washer to
remove the soap, and use the "mist" function on the soft top w/o any soap?
Or is it OK to gently scrub and pressure wash lightly?

I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?

Thanks,

Carl



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Old 12-15-2005, 00:02   #2 (permalink)
Carl
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Re: Soft top and paint care

Oops, look like my girlfriend has been posting in *her* groups with *her*
name and *forgetting* to put it back to my name... The priginal post is from
*me*.

Carl


"Amanda" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote in message
news:GNadnaNAyc6mgjzenZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Please forgive my ignorance. I've been a Jeep guy for a long time. I'm
> dumbfounded by the small tires and single drive axle, but very much
> enjoying the ride.
>
> OK, so the 99 'vert is the nicest looking vehicle I've ever owned, and I'd
> like to keep it that way. My 'ol Jeep had a rag top from Bestop, and I
> would just take it down to the you-scrub car wash down the street and
> blast the hell out of everything with the pressure washer, scrub
> everything with the brush and be on my merry way after another pressure
> washing to rinse the soap off. If some water mangaged by any seals and
> into the tub, I really didn't care because hey, it's a Jeep.
>
> It's a pretty nice facility with soft brushes and warm water. I feel that
> the brush and rinse method should keep me satisfied with the body of the
> car, I'm reluctant to blast the soft top with the pressure washer, for
> fear of it being more delicate than the one found on my Jeep. Also, I'm
> concerned that the seals around the windshield and windows may leak with
> the high pressure, and I'd also like to avoid that.
>
> Should I just wash the car normally, rinse it with the pressure washer to
> remove the soap, and use the "mist" function on the soft top w/o any soap?
> Or is it OK to gently scrub and pressure wash lightly?
>
> I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
>
>



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Old 12-15-2005, 05:01   #3 (permalink)
KJ.Kate
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Re: Soft top and paint care


"Carl" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote in message
news:jsadnS59vOBdgjzenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
: Oops, look like my girlfriend has been posting in *her* groups with *her*
: name and *forgetting* to put it back to my name... The priginal post is
from
: *me*.
:
: Carl

*snikker*
You'll get more attention from the guys with your girk's handle anyway

KJK


:
: "Amanda" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote in message
: news:GNadnaNAyc6mgjzenZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
: > Please forgive my ignorance. I've been a Jeep guy for a long time. I'm
: > dumbfounded by the small tires and single drive axle, but very much
: > enjoying the ride.
: >
: > OK, so the 99 'vert is the nicest looking vehicle I've ever owned, and
I'd
: > like to keep it that way. My 'ol Jeep had a rag top from Bestop, and I
: > would just take it down to the you-scrub car wash down the street and
: > blast the hell out of everything with the pressure washer, scrub
: > everything with the brush and be on my merry way after another pressure
: > washing to rinse the soap off. If some water mangaged by any seals and
: > into the tub, I really didn't care because hey, it's a Jeep.
: >
: > It's a pretty nice facility with soft brushes and warm water. I feel
that
: > the brush and rinse method should keep me satisfied with the body of the
: > car, I'm reluctant to blast the soft top with the pressure washer, for
: > fear of it being more delicate than the one found on my Jeep. Also, I'm
: > concerned that the seals around the windshield and windows may leak with
: > the high pressure, and I'd also like to avoid that.
: >
: > Should I just wash the car normally, rinse it with the pressure washer
to
: > remove the soap, and use the "mist" function on the soft top w/o any
soap?
: > Or is it OK to gently scrub and pressure wash lightly?
: >
: > I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?
: >
: > Thanks,
: >
: > Carl
: >
: >
: >
:
:


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Old 12-15-2005, 05:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Soft top and paint care


"Amanda" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote
Actually CARL wrote:


: Please forgive my ignorance. I've been a Jeep guy for a long time. I'm
: dumbfounded by the small tires and single drive axle, but very much
enjoying
: the ride.
:
: OK, so the 99 'vert is the nicest looking vehicle I've ever owned, and I'd
: like to keep it that way. My 'ol Jeep had a rag top from Bestop, and I
would
: just take it down to the you-scrub car wash down the street and blast the
: hell out of everything with the pressure washer, scrub everything with the
: brush and be on my merry way after another pressure washing to rinse the
: soap off. If some water mangaged by any seals and into the tub, I really
: didn't care because hey, it's a Jeep.
:
: It's a pretty nice facility with soft brushes and warm water. I feel that
: the brush and rinse method should keep me satisfied with the body of the
: car, I'm reluctant to blast the soft top with the pressure washer, for
fear
: of it being more delicate than the one found on my Jeep. Also, I'm
concerned
: that the seals around the windshield and windows may leak with the high
: pressure, and I'd also like to avoid that.
:
: Should I just wash the car normally, rinse it with the pressure washer to
: remove the soap, and use the "mist" function on the soft top w/o any soap?
: Or is it OK to gently scrub and pressure wash lightly?
:
: I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?
:
: Thanks,
:
: Carl
:
This is just MY opinion, others may vary :)

The soft tops are fairly resilient BUT, you really shouldn't take the same
approach to washing your Stang as you do your mudder.
Think of the Jeep as your best buddy and the Stang as a girlfriend. Your
buddy doesn't care where you scratch, if you fart and just goes along for
the ride. The other will give you hell if you don't treat her like a lady
and will not tolerate rough treatment.

I occasionally used a pressure washer on my tops, but pulled back a ways. My
top was white though and I was doing anything I could to try to keep it
nice. It was a real PITA!

High pressure WILL blow up under the seals at the roof line and it WILL
drown the inside of your car. Even the touchless car washes. I used to go
through one occasionally when I had no time to hand wash and ALWAYS ended up
chasing rivulets with a towel from the inside as they came running in from
both sides.

Using a car wash brush on the paint on your Stang is a bad idea. The brushes
are used by folks that take their rigs out and play in the dirt, then scrub
the mud off with the brush. (Sound familiar?) Some of that grit remains in
the brushes and will raise hell with the finish on your Stang.

With a Jeep, mud is pride. With the Stang, the complete opposite is true.
Mustangs like to be primped and preened and like a good hand wash with
regular wax jobs. Meguiars makes great products for maintaining the whole
car.

Get a good medium bristle scrub brush for the top and lather it up when you
wash the car. Use a hose. The pressure washers don't really help as much as
they could hurt. IF you have a flaw in your top (even so small that you
cannot see) the pressure washer will blow right through it and probabaly
wreck your top. Ford's tops are umm... err... not great.

KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
Damn I'm glad I have something I can get dirty and just drive through the
car wash now!
(Formerly owned - 98 Cobra Drop Top and a 95 GT Drop Top)



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Old 12-15-2005, 05:01   #5 (permalink)
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"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Carl" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote in message
: news:jsadnS59vOBdgjzenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
:: Oops, look like my girlfriend has been posting in *her* groups with *her*
:: name and *forgetting* to put it back to my name... The priginal post is
: from
:: *me*.
::
:: Carl
:
: *snikker*
: You'll get more attention from the guys with your girk's handle anyway


err... GIRL'S handle... aargh.
KJK


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Old 12-15-2005, 09:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Amanda" <angelgal727@REMOVE.msn.com> wrote:

> Please forgive my ignorance. I've been a Jeep guy for a long time. I'm
> dumbfounded by the small tires and single drive axle, but very much
> enjoying the ride.
>
> OK, so the 99 'vert is the nicest looking vehicle I've ever owned, and
> I'd like to keep it that way. My 'ol Jeep had a rag top from Bestop,
> and I would just take it down to the you-scrub car wash down the
> street and blast the hell out of everything with the pressure washer,
> scrub everything with the brush and be on my merry way after another
> pressure washing to rinse the soap off. If some water mangaged by any
> seals and into the tub, I really didn't care because hey, it's a Jeep.
>
> It's a pretty nice facility with soft brushes and warm water. I feel
> that the brush and rinse method should keep me satisfied with the body
> of the car, I'm reluctant to blast the soft top with the pressure
> washer, for fear of it being more delicate than the one found on my
> Jeep. Also, I'm concerned that the seals around the windshield and
> windows may leak with the high pressure, and I'd also like to avoid
> that.
>
> Should I just wash the car normally, rinse it with the pressure washer
> to remove the soap, and use the "mist" function on the soft top w/o
> any soap? Or is it OK to gently scrub and pressure wash lightly?
>
> I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?


I'm reminded of a guy at work who called pressure washers an invention of
Satan... complained it blew the paint off his siding trim

To which I remind all of you who never thought of it...

Just stand BACK you dumb f#%$#!!!, YOU GOT EYES, YOU CAN SEE THE NOMINAL
PRESSURE WHERE YOU'RE AIMING... USE YOUR f$^%$#$% BRAIN!

And anyone with half a brain would use the Pressure hose on the brush
FIRST.. spraying out towArd the end of the bristle.

NOTHING beats a self car wash for doing the job the way the user wants
it...NOTHING!

sorry for the caps, but dumbness annoys me

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
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Old 02-09-2006, 20:01   #7 (permalink)
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Amanda wrote:

>
> I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>
>

Hello,
I do Auto/Marine upholstery and install these for a living.
Here are a few tips from RobbinsAutoTopCo.com



Glass Windows: Glass Windows should be cleaned with water based glass
cleaners only. Please be extremely careful when cleaning
Heater/Defroster glass windows not to scratch the defroster lines or to
break the power source connector wire. Cleaner should never be allowed
to drip into seams or heat seals.

Plastic Windows: Plastic windows in convertible Tops should be cleaned
frequently. Be sure to hose or blow off loose dirt particles from
surface first, and then use either plain water or mild soap and water
solution. Apply with a soft cloth or tissue to gently clean window.
Always clean in a side to side or a top to bottom motion, NEVER in a
circular motion, (cleaning in a circular motion can damage plastic
windows). There are also several good plastic cleaners available such as
"Meguiar’s Mirror Glaze Formula 17". Never use harsh brushes or
abrasives when cleaning plastic windows.

Use of Vinyl Preservatives We do NOT recommend use of penetrating vinyl
preservatives, conditioners or dressings on Tops, Tonneau Covers, and
other products.

Cleaning Tops, Tonneau Covers and Other Products Made in Cloth or Vinyl
Toppings We strongly recommend hand washing convertible tops and other
products. Tops and other products made in Vinyl toppings can be cleaned
using Vinyl Cleaners such as Malco which are widely available. While Car
Washes generally will not harm convertible Tops made in Cloth or Vinyl
Toppings, never allow a car wash to apply spray wax to your convertible Top.

To hand wash our products, use Ivory or other mild soap flakes in a
bucket of lukewarm water. In hard water areas add Calgon (not to be
confused with dishwasher detergent) or other water softener until the
water feels slippery.

ALWAYS Wash Tops, Tonneau Covers, etc. in the shade, never in direct sun.

ALWAYS Wash entire Top, Tonneau Cover, etc. Never spot clean to avoid
rings or bright spots.

ALWAYS Wet entire car before washing Top. Use sponge or soft bristle
brush to apply suds. Do not use a chamois or cloth since these will
leave lint on Cloth Tops.

ALWAYS Rinse well with hose making sure to remove all traces of soap.
Wipe off excess water with sponge. Please be careful to hose down entire
car to prevent soap from streaking paint.

ALWAYS Install Tonneau Covers and Top Boots after cleaning while still
damp to preserve fit and shape.

ALWAYS Try to move Tops into direct sun after cleaning and thorough
rinsing to dry. Chamois all excess water off body of car.

DO NOT Use detergents, bleaches, harsh cleansers, cleaners or abrasives.

DO NOT Use dry-cleaning solvents, etc.

DO NOT Use hot water.

DO NOT Lower down or cover convertible tops when wet or damp. This can
lead to mildew growth and in extreme cases can cause discoloration or
rotting of toppings can occur.


-FasDeth-

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Old 02-09-2006, 23:01   #8 (permalink)
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I have a 2000 GT Mustang convertible. I have two tips regarding washing the
car:

1) If you do go to a car wash, make it either a hand car wash, or an
automated one that uses only soft cloth - NO BRUSHES!

2) DO NOT USE A TOUCHLESS CAR WASH! These car washes use a power spray to
replace brushes or cloth. The spray comes at all angles and is too strong.
It is guaranteed to leak through to the inside of your car - the seals are
just not strong enough to handle that type of pressure.

Regarding the Robbins tips, I personally haven't had any problems from
letting the automatic car wash apply wax to the entire car. But they're the
experts, not me, so you might want to consider what they say.

Hope this helps some.

Ken Zwyers

"FasDeth" <Nospam@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Amanda wrote:
>
> >
> > I guess the main question is: How delicate is the soft top?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >

> Hello,
> I do Auto/Marine upholstery and install these for a living.
> Here are a few tips from RobbinsAutoTopCo.com
>
>
>
> Glass Windows: Glass Windows should be cleaned with water based glass
> cleaners only. Please be extremely careful when cleaning
> Heater/Defroster glass windows not to scratch the defroster lines or to
> break the power source connector wire. Cleaner should never be allowed
> to drip into seams or heat seals.
>
> Plastic Windows: Plastic windows in convertible Tops should be cleaned
> frequently. Be sure to hose or blow off loose dirt particles from
> surface first, and then use either plain water or mild soap and water
> solution. Apply with a soft cloth or tissue to gently clean window.
> Always clean in a side to side or a top to bottom motion, NEVER in a
> circular motion, (cleaning in a circular motion can damage plastic
> windows). There are also several good plastic cleaners available such as
> "Meguiar’s Mirror Glaze Formula 17". Never use harsh brushes or
> abrasives when cleaning plastic windows.
>
> Use of Vinyl Preservatives We do NOT recommend use of penetrating vinyl
> preservatives, conditioners or dressings on Tops, Tonneau Covers, and
> other products.
>
> Cleaning Tops, Tonneau Covers and Other Products Made in Cloth or Vinyl
> Toppings We strongly recommend hand washing convertible tops and other
> products. Tops and other products made in Vinyl toppings can be cleaned
> using Vinyl Cleaners such as Malco which are widely available. While Car
> Washes generally will not harm convertible Tops made in Cloth or Vinyl
> Toppings, never allow a car wash to apply spray wax to your convertible

Top.
>
> To hand wash our products, use Ivory or other mild soap flakes in a
> bucket of lukewarm water. In hard water areas add Calgon (not to be
> confused with dishwasher detergent) or other water softener until the
> water feels slippery.
>
> ALWAYS Wash Tops, Tonneau Covers, etc. in the shade, never in direct sun.
>
> ALWAYS Wash entire Top, Tonneau Cover, etc. Never spot clean to avoid
> rings or bright spots.
>
> ALWAYS Wet entire car before washing Top. Use sponge or soft bristle
> brush to apply suds. Do not use a chamois or cloth since these will
> leave lint on Cloth Tops.
>
> ALWAYS Rinse well with hose making sure to remove all traces of soap.
> Wipe off excess water with sponge. Please be careful to hose down entire
> car to prevent soap from streaking paint.
>
> ALWAYS Install Tonneau Covers and Top Boots after cleaning while still
> damp to preserve fit and shape.
>
> ALWAYS Try to move Tops into direct sun after cleaning and thorough
> rinsing to dry. Chamois all excess water off body of car.
>
> DO NOT Use detergents, bleaches, harsh cleansers, cleaners or abrasives.
>
> DO NOT Use dry-cleaning solvents, etc.
>
> DO NOT Use hot water.
>
> DO NOT Lower down or cover convertible tops when wet or damp. This can
> lead to mildew growth and in extreme cases can cause discoloration or
> rotting of toppings can occur.
>
>
> -FasDeth-
>



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