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dwtalso@nuail.com wrote in news:1110666566.070195.23970
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> We'll see at the NYIAS but as of December, according to my sources,
the
> powerplant choice was the 5.4L, 3V, VVT with a Whipple (Lysholm)
> huffer. I'm not betting my last dollar, it's Ford after all, but I
> think the probability is reasonably high that my information isn't
too
> far off ;).
>
> Dan
> 2003 Cobra convertible
> With some stuff and things
That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle? And
what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
dwtalso@nuail.com wrote:
> We'll see at the NYIAS but as of December, according to my sources, the
> powerplant choice was the 5.4L, 3V, VVT with a Whipple (Lysholm)
> huffer. I'm not betting my last dollar, it's Ford after all, but I
> think the probability is reasonably high that my information isn't too
> far off ;).
I hope you're right but I can't see Ford installing an engine in the
Cobra that rivals the Ford GT's and undercut their future supercar
lineup. I also think that engine would raise the cost of the Cobra to
the mid to high $40k range. Too high IMO.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:09:19 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
>dwtalso@nuail.com wrote in news:1110666566.070195.23970
>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>> We'll see at the NYIAS but as of December, according to my sources,
>the
>> powerplant choice was the 5.4L, 3V, VVT with a Whipple (Lysholm)
>> huffer. I'm not betting my last dollar, it's Ford after all, but I
>> think the probability is reasonably high that my information isn't
>too
>> far off ;).
>>
>> Dan
>> 2003 Cobra convertible
>> With some stuff and things
>
>That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle? And
>what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
>
I think they need to be real careful about the pricing. With a base
Corvette starting at $43,710 I would think that is the magic number
that they simply cannot surpass. After that number people will begin
to think twice about which of the two vehicles to purchase. Yeah
there will always be fools with more money then sense, and young kids,
but there is a sensitive price point that has to be considered.
Even a base Corvette gives you the new LS2 6.0-liter small-block V8
that produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque which is the
standard engine with either a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed automatic
transmission. The prestige factor and other aspects of the car will
make buy a Cobra, which is still just a Mustang after all, a very
difficult decision if the price differential is not there to support
the decision. I would say that if they bust the 40k barrier sales
will not support production. Especially if it is just for 50 extra
ponies which can be obtained from the Vette quite easily with a few
aftermarket mods.
--
"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
news:abe731lr782v2d3nvj1an1ejp6oemu2rkf@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:09:19 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>
wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
>>dwtalso@nuail.com wrote in news:1110666566.070195.23970
>>@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> We'll see at the NYIAS but as of December, according to my
sources,
>>the
>>> powerplant choice was the 5.4L, 3V, VVT with a Whipple (Lysholm)
>>> huffer. I'm not betting my last dollar, it's Ford after all, but I
>>> think the probability is reasonably high that my information isn't
>>too
>>> far off ;).
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> 2003 Cobra convertible
>>> With some stuff and things
>>
>>That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle? And
>>what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
>>
> I think they need to be real careful about the pricing. With a base
> Corvette starting at $43,710 I would think that is the magic number
> that they simply cannot surpass. After that number people will
begin
> to think twice about which of the two vehicles to purchase. Yeah
> there will always be fools with more money then sense, and young
kids,
> but there is a sensitive price point that has to be considered.
>
> Even a base Corvette gives you the new LS2 6.0-liter small-block V8
> that produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque which is the
> standard engine with either a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed automatic
> transmission. The prestige factor and other aspects of the car will
> make buy a Cobra, which is still just a Mustang after all, a very
> difficult decision if the price differential is not there to support
> the decision. I would say that if they bust the 40k barrier sales
> will not support production. Especially if it is just for 50 extra
> ponies which can be obtained from the Vette quite easily with a few
> aftermarket mods.
Indeed. This is what I was saying in another post. There's a small
window for the Cobra to be successful. If it costs too much, people
will buy cars like the Corvette for less money. If it's too low on
performance, people will opt for a GT and maybe re-chip it.
Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:30:53 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
>>>That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle? And
>>>what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
>>>
>> I think they need to be real careful about the pricing. With a base
>> Corvette starting at $43,710 I would think that is the magic number
>> that they simply cannot surpass. After that number people will
>begin
>> to think twice about which of the two vehicles to purchase. Yeah
>> there will always be fools with more money then sense, and young
>kids,
>> but there is a sensitive price point that has to be considered.
>>
>> Even a base Corvette gives you the new LS2 6.0-liter small-block V8
>> that produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque which is the
>> standard engine with either a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed automatic
>> transmission. The prestige factor and other aspects of the car will
>> make buy a Cobra, which is still just a Mustang after all, a very
>> difficult decision if the price differential is not there to support
>> the decision. I would say that if they bust the 40k barrier sales
>> will not support production. Especially if it is just for 50 extra
>> ponies which can be obtained from the Vette quite easily with a few
>> aftermarket mods.
>
>Indeed. This is what I was saying in another post. There's a small
>window for the Cobra to be successful. If it costs too much, people
>will buy cars like the Corvette for less money. If it's too low on
>performance, people will opt for a GT and maybe re-chip it.
>
Perhaps these are the issues that the folks at SVT are trying to come
to grips with? Given the prices of vehicles these days, 40k+ pickups
and such, exactly how GM is able to pull of the base Vette, which is a
pretty damn nice car for ~ $44k continues to amaze me. YEah you can
load it up with a shitload of goodies and push it over 60k, but what
you get with a base pretty much meets all my basic needs.
The new GT is cool, but why can't I choose to roll up my own windows
or need 100+ combinations of my interior lights? If the really want
to do something try and go the way the Z06 was originally supposed to
be. Remember the concept of the Billy Bob Vette? All go and no show?
How about a `Stang like that?
--
"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
dwtalso@nuail.com wrote in news:1110666566.070195.23970
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> We'll see at the NYIAS but as of December, according to my sources, the
> powerplant choice was the 5.4L, 3V, VVT with a Whipple (Lysholm)
> huffer. I'm not betting my last dollar, it's Ford after all, but I
> think the probability is reasonably high that my information isn't too
> far off ;).
That's what I'm thinking. Except the three valves. Why not four? They
should be able to squeeze around 500 horse out of it.
ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
news:s8l931lalhrn6792pfthvmq4ogu1muaumg@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:30:53 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>
wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle?
And
>>>>what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
>>>>
>>> I think they need to be real careful about the pricing. With a
base
>>> Corvette starting at $43,710 I would think that is the magic
number
>>> that they simply cannot surpass. After that number people will
>>begin
>>> to think twice about which of the two vehicles to purchase. Yeah
>>> there will always be fools with more money then sense, and young
>>kids,
>>> but there is a sensitive price point that has to be considered.
>>>
>>> Even a base Corvette gives you the new LS2 6.0-liter small-block
V8
>>> that produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque which is the
>>> standard engine with either a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed
automatic
>>> transmission. The prestige factor and other aspects of the car
will
>>> make buy a Cobra, which is still just a Mustang after all, a very
>>> difficult decision if the price differential is not there to
support
>>> the decision. I would say that if they bust the 40k barrier sales
>>> will not support production. Especially if it is just for 50
extra
>>> ponies which can be obtained from the Vette quite easily with a
few
>>> aftermarket mods.
>>
>>Indeed. This is what I was saying in another post. There's a small
>>window for the Cobra to be successful. If it costs too much, people
>>will buy cars like the Corvette for less money. If it's too low on
>>performance, people will opt for a GT and maybe re-chip it.
>>
> Perhaps these are the issues that the folks at SVT are trying to
come
> to grips with? Given the prices of vehicles these days, 40k+
pickups
> and such, exactly how GM is able to pull of the base Vette, which is
a
> pretty damn nice car for ~ $44k continues to amaze me. YEah you can
> load it up with a shitload of goodies and push it over 60k, but what
> you get with a base pretty much meets all my basic needs.
>
> The new GT is cool, but why can't I choose to roll up my own windows
> or need 100+ combinations of my interior lights? If the really want
> to do something try and go the way the Z06 was originally supposed
to
> be. Remember the concept of the Billy Bob Vette? All go and no
show?
> How about a `Stang like that?
IMO the market for cars like that is tiny, and the profit margin is
even smaller if it exists at all. Sure, there are enthusiasts that
would snap that kind of a car right up, but there's no way in hell
Ford (or any other maker) would make a profit on it.
Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:35:25 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
>ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woof@Zappa.net> wrote in
>news:s8l931lalhrn6792pfthvmq4ogu1muaumg@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:30:53 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com>
>wrote
>> something wonderfully witty:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>That's a killer setup. How about the rear? Still a live axle?
>And
>>>>>what about the tranny? And what'll it cost - around 45?
>>>>>
>>>> I think they need to be real careful about the pricing. With a
>base
>>>> Corvette starting at $43,710 I would think that is the magic
>number
>>>> that they simply cannot surpass. After that number people will
>>>begin
>>>> to think twice about which of the two vehicles to purchase. Yeah
>>>> there will always be fools with more money then sense, and young
>>>kids,
>>>> but there is a sensitive price point that has to be considered.
>>>>
>>>> Even a base Corvette gives you the new LS2 6.0-liter small-block
>V8
>>>> that produces 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque which is the
>>>> standard engine with either a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed
>automatic
>>>> transmission. The prestige factor and other aspects of the car
>will
>>>> make buy a Cobra, which is still just a Mustang after all, a very
>>>> difficult decision if the price differential is not there to
>support
>>>> the decision. I would say that if they bust the 40k barrier sales
>>>> will not support production. Especially if it is just for 50
>extra
>>>> ponies which can be obtained from the Vette quite easily with a
>few
>>>> aftermarket mods.
>>>
>>>Indeed. This is what I was saying in another post. There's a small
>>>window for the Cobra to be successful. If it costs too much, people
>>>will buy cars like the Corvette for less money. If it's too low on
>>>performance, people will opt for a GT and maybe re-chip it.
>>>
>> Perhaps these are the issues that the folks at SVT are trying to
>come
>> to grips with? Given the prices of vehicles these days, 40k+
>pickups
>> and such, exactly how GM is able to pull of the base Vette, which is
>a
>> pretty damn nice car for ~ $44k continues to amaze me. YEah you can
>> load it up with a shitload of goodies and push it over 60k, but what
>> you get with a base pretty much meets all my basic needs.
>>
>> The new GT is cool, but why can't I choose to roll up my own windows
>> or need 100+ combinations of my interior lights? If the really want
>> to do something try and go the way the Z06 was originally supposed
>to
>> be. Remember the concept of the Billy Bob Vette? All go and no
>show?
>> How about a `Stang like that?
>
>IMO the market for cars like that is tiny, and the profit margin is
>even smaller if it exists at all. Sure, there are enthusiasts that
>would snap that kind of a car right up, but there's no way in hell
>Ford (or any other maker) would make a profit on it.
>
You know what freaked the living hell out of Ford? The fact that
people bought Explorers. That SOB is full of profit margin. One
doesn't have to make a "huge" profit on every vehicle sold, one just
needs to have a Marque that keeps all of it's customer base happy and
provides them with all of the vehicles that they desire. This is what
keeps them loyal and coming back over & over again.
--
"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather
than the well lived life really has distorted our sense
of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown
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