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Old 12-14-2005, 21:01   #1 (permalink)
michaelanderson4@sympatico.ca
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Two incidents of auto insanity

Courtesy of Ontario-Canadas DIMWIT Liberal government.
1. They threaten to withold car or other vehicle licenses from teens
who fail to graduate
from high school. So, one very important avenue to employment
(trucking, or anything that
requires a vehicle license) is denied to some of the people who could
use it most.
2. They put "car pool" lanes in some of the busiest spots on three of
Ontario's highways.
This travesty of urban planning has NEVER produced satisfactory results
where it has been tried. If you drive as a single passenger in the
lane, you face a $110 fine and THREE demerit points! Nice, having your
insurance skyrocket because you didn't have someone in the car
chatting at and distracting you!!
Most of this is par for the course for Liberals who will go to any
length to "punish" car drivers
because we are sinners and polluters. Virtually every dime generated
by auto use is put
into "public transport" or some other anti-car effort and none of it
goes back to the road system, etc. The fact the auto industry is a
pillar of the Ontario economy is lost on these clowns.

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Old 12-14-2005, 21:01   #2 (permalink)
Shawn McClelland
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

1. What is wrong with being smart enough to drive?

michaelanderson4@sympatico.ca wrote:

>Courtesy of Ontario-Canadas DIMWIT Liberal government.
>1. They threaten to withold car or other vehicle licenses from teens
>who fail to graduate
>from high school. So, one very important avenue to employment
>(trucking, or anything that
>requires a vehicle license) is denied to some of the people who could
>use it most.
>2. They put "car pool" lanes in some of the busiest spots on three of
>Ontario's highways.
>This travesty of urban planning has NEVER produced satisfactory results
>where it has been tried. If you drive as a single passenger in the
>lane, you face a $110 fine and THREE demerit points! Nice, having your
>insurance skyrocket because you didn't have someone in the car
>chatting at and distracting you!!
>Most of this is par for the course for Liberals who will go to any
>length to "punish" car drivers
>because we are sinners and polluters. Virtually every dime generated
>by auto use is put
>into "public transport" or some other anti-car effort and none of it
>goes back to the road system, etc. The fact the auto industry is a
>pillar of the Ontario economy is lost on these clowns.
>
>
>

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Old 12-15-2005, 00:02   #3 (permalink)
Spike
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53:41 -0500, Shawn McClelland
<smcclell@nospamrogers.com> wrote:

>1. What is wrong with being smart enough to drive?

One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.

First, it's only being used as an incentive to finish school, which
is a good thing, but takes away the motive to really learn. Instead
the motivation is just so they can get a license. It does not mean the
kid drives any better or worse.

Second, many pre- graduates have jobs which require getting to/from;
and even some high school courses may be taught off campus, such a
work programs.

I've seen plenty of people who never finished high school who are more
together than most of the egghead graduates who think they now know it
all, but can't wipe... well, you get the picture. After I retired, I
went back to college with some of those young kids who think that
their diploma is going to land them in luxury. There was a time when
that was true, because few went on to college. Today, as the numbers
of college grads climbs, the competition gets heavier. And, while the
best suited for the position may be the one who worked their way up
the ladder, all to often it's the one who has the diploma who gets the
job. Not because they are smarter, just because they graduated from
college.

Higher education, in a lot of ways, is phony. Especially, when young
adults graduate, but have no idea how to handle a budget, balance a
checkbook, use credit, or boil water without burning it.


>
>michaelanderson4@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>>Courtesy of Ontario-Canadas DIMWIT Liberal government.
>>1. They threaten to withold car or other vehicle licenses from teens
>>who fail to graduate
>>from high school. So, one very important avenue to employment
>>(trucking, or anything that
>>requires a vehicle license) is denied to some of the people who could
>>use it most.
>>2. They put "car pool" lanes in some of the busiest spots on three of
>>Ontario's highways.
>>This travesty of urban planning has NEVER produced satisfactory results
>>where it has been tried. If you drive as a single passenger in the
>>lane, you face a $110 fine and THREE demerit points! Nice, having your
>>insurance skyrocket because you didn't have someone in the car
>>chatting at and distracting you!!
>>Most of this is par for the course for Liberals who will go to any
>>length to "punish" car drivers
>>because we are sinners and polluters. Virtually every dime generated
>>by auto use is put
>>into "public transport" or some other anti-car effort and none of it
>>goes back to the road system, etc. The fact the auto industry is a
>>pillar of the Ontario economy is lost on these clowns.
>>
>>
>>

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w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

Ohhhhhhhhh kay!
Before I read the other responses I am gonna post my opinion on this:

<michaelanderson4@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1134622012.755629.51840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: Courtesy of Ontario-Canadas DIMWIT Liberal government.
: 1. They threaten to withold car or other vehicle licenses from teens
: who fail to graduate
: from high school. So, one very important avenue to employment
: (trucking, or anything that
: requires a vehicle license) is denied to some of the people who could
: use it most.

Good! If the little shits cannot be responsible to graduate from high
school, they have no business driving for a while. Hell, they may not even
be able to read the signs!

: 2. They put "car pool" lanes in some of the busiest spots on three of
: Ontario's highways.
: This travesty of urban planning has NEVER produced satisfactory results
: where it has been tried. If you drive as a single passenger in the
: lane, you face a $110 fine and THREE demerit points! Nice, having your
: insurance skyrocket because you didn't have someone in the car
: chatting at and distracting you!!

Uh huh.. because you broke the LAW ... ?? Hmmm.... ???


: Most of this is par for the course for Liberals who will go to any
: length to "punish" car drivers
: because we are sinners and polluters. Virtually every dime generated
: by auto use is put
: into "public transport" or some other anti-car effort and none of it
: goes back to the road system, etc. The fact the auto industry is a
: pillar of the Ontario economy is lost on these clowns.

The whole idea is to get people to ride together, which is supposed to help
relieve traffic.
Not that people DO like to ride together, but in theory it's good. You are
rewarded for ride sharing by not having to sit in traffic jambs and by
sharing the cost of the ride with your passenger(s)
It might actually work with all of those high school drop outs looking for a
ride to work now..


Kate

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Old 12-15-2005, 06:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:18:01 -0800, Spike <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53:41 -0500, Shawn McClelland
><smcclell@nospamrogers.com> wrote:
>
>>1. What is wrong with being smart enough to drive?

>One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.
>
>First, it's only being used as an incentive to finish school, which
>is a good thing, but takes away the motive to really learn. Instead
>the motivation is just so they can get a license. It does not mean the
>kid drives any better or worse.
>
>Second, many pre- graduates have jobs which require getting to/from;
>and even some high school courses may be taught off campus, such a
>work programs.
>
>I've seen plenty of people who never finished high school who are more
>together than most of the egghead graduates who think they now know it
>all, but can't wipe... well, you get the picture. After I retired, I
>went back to college with some of those young kids who think that
>their diploma is going to land them in luxury. There was a time when
>that was true, because few went on to college. Today, as the numbers
>of college grads climbs, the competition gets heavier. And, while the
>best suited for the position may be the one who worked their way up
>the ladder, all to often it's the one who has the diploma who gets the
>job. Not because they are smarter, just because they graduated from
>college.
>
>Higher education, in a lot of ways, is phony. Especially, when young
>adults graduate, but have no idea how to handle a budget, balance a
>checkbook, use credit, or boil water without burning it.
>

While all of the above maybe true anyone today who denies themselves
an education is almost guaranteed to make less money over their
lifetime then their better educated brethren.

The conferring of a Bachelors Degree (or even higher) does not mean
the holder actually knows how to do anything specific to any given
job, but more often then not has proven that they are trainable and
have certain research skills. Their GPA is usually reflective of at
what level in either. Depending on their degree they have also been
exposed to a more varied level of areas such as art, literature,
science, logic and philosophy. All in all this exposure can make them
a better informed and more well rounded individual.

If all else fails at least they learn how to party their asses off.




>
>>
>>michaelanderson4@sympatico.ca wrote:
>>
>>>Courtesy of Ontario-Canadas DIMWIT Liberal government.
>>>1. They threaten to withold car or other vehicle licenses from teens
>>>who fail to graduate
>>>from high school. So, one very important avenue to employment
>>>(trucking, or anything that
>>>requires a vehicle license) is denied to some of the people who could
>>>use it most.
>>>2. They put "car pool" lanes in some of the busiest spots on three of
>>>Ontario's highways.
>>>This travesty of urban planning has NEVER produced satisfactory results
>>>where it has been tried. If you drive as a single passenger in the
>>>lane, you face a $110 fine and THREE demerit points! Nice, having your
>>>insurance skyrocket because you didn't have someone in the car
>>>chatting at and distracting you!!
>>>Most of this is par for the course for Liberals who will go to any
>>>length to "punish" car drivers
>>>because we are sinners and polluters. Virtually every dime generated
>>>by auto use is put
>>>into "public transport" or some other anti-car effort and none of it
>>>goes back to the road system, etc. The fact the auto industry is a
>>>pillar of the Ontario economy is lost on these clowns.
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Old 12-15-2005, 12:01   #6 (permalink)
Spike
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:11:27 -0500, ZombyWoof <Zomby-Woofdogs@Cox.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:18:01 -0800, Spike <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53:41 -0500, Shawn McClelland
>><smcclell@nospamrogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>>1. What is wrong with being smart enough to drive?

>>One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.
>>
>>First, it's only being used as an incentive to finish school, which
>>is a good thing, but takes away the motive to really learn. Instead
>>the motivation is just so they can get a license. It does not mean the
>>kid drives any better or worse.
>>
>>Second, many pre- graduates have jobs which require getting to/from;
>>and even some high school courses may be taught off campus, such a
>>work programs.
>>
>>I've seen plenty of people who never finished high school who are more
>>together than most of the egghead graduates who think they now know it
>>all, but can't wipe... well, you get the picture. After I retired, I
>>went back to college with some of those young kids who think that
>>their diploma is going to land them in luxury. There was a time when
>>that was true, because few went on to college. Today, as the numbers
>>of college grads climbs, the competition gets heavier. And, while the
>>best suited for the position may be the one who worked their way up
>>the ladder, all to often it's the one who has the diploma who gets the
>>job. Not because they are smarter, just because they graduated from
>>college.
>>
>>Higher education, in a lot of ways, is phony. Especially, when young
>>adults graduate, but have no idea how to handle a budget, balance a
>>checkbook, use credit, or boil water without burning it.
>>

>While all of the above maybe true anyone today who denies themselves
>an education is almost guaranteed to make less money over their
>lifetime then their better educated brethren.

You'll note that I got the education, and hold three degrees. I
didn't do so for the monetary increase over others. I did so because
it applied to my fields. I'm one of those who does not think money is
the goal. It's great to have, but helping others is my greatest
reward.
>
>The conferring of a Bachelors Degree (or even higher) does not mean
>the holder actually knows how to do anything specific to any given
>job, but more often then not has proven that they are trainable and
>have certain research skills. Their GPA is usually reflective of at
>what level in either. Depending on their degree they have also been
>exposed to a more varied level of areas such as art, literature,
>science, logic and philosophy. All in all this exposure can make them
>a better informed and more well rounded individual.


Unfortunately, while it should not mean that, to many it does. Watch
the mentality of a great many graduates who suddenly have this holier
than thou attitude because they are educated. Your best friend one
day, who now lords it over you. And the corporate scouts feed that
egocentric view. Quite a few of those graduates will soon hit a wall
and realize they have chosen the wrong path like people who fight
their way through law or medical school only to find they can't handle
the pressure or some other factor.

>
>If all else fails at least they learn how to party their asses off.


I've seen "good 'ol boys" who knew that without even a high school
education. The guys who make golf balls for wealthy, yet unhappy and
unfulfilled "collich guys".

With all that education we end up with a hell of a lot of chiefs
sitting around waiting for a meal, and no braves to go kill the
buffalo for dinner. And then people complain about the influx of
illegal workers who do the work the educated people won't do. As well
as a lot of VERY educated janitors.
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Old 12-17-2005, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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>>>
>>>I've seen plenty of people who never finished high school who are more
>>>together than most of the egghead graduates who think they now know it
>>>all, but can't wipe... well, you get the picture. After I retired, I
>>>went back to college with some of those young kids who think that
>>>their diploma is going to land them in luxury. There was a time when
>>>that was true, because few went on to college. Today, as the numbers
>>>of college grads climbs, the competition gets heavier. And, while the
>>>best suited for the position may be the one who worked their way up
>>>the ladder, all to often it's the one who has the diploma who gets the
>>>job. Not because they are smarter, just because they graduated from
>>>college.


Comment on that particular part:

I have two Assoc degrees, or equivalents thereof. (EET & CSIT)

I started from there and educated my own self, on the job.

I progressed from a radio tech to a computer tech to a logic designer, to
a consumer electronics designer to a telecom engineer to a computer
system engineer to Systems Admin to user interface design/integration
to....

And I have interviewed mentored and managed entirely too many graduates
who come into the field believing they are ready to hit the ground
running.
WORSE, their profs TOLD them they were ready to go! The most striking
example, a fairly well brainwashed guy who told us, not just me, that his
Prof said they were ready for Engineering Sales and to not settle for
some plebian engineering project.

sidenote:
Going to lunch with the guy, was eye-opening as well... shifted his four-
banger at 1300 RPM... when my boss and I suggested he might do well to
rev a little higher, considering the engine, he said that was how his dad
said to shift a stick.

The point of all this is, the HS grad is not ready to be a shift manager
at MacDonald's and the college grad is rarely ready to design let alone
manage an engineering project... though SOME co-op types certainly are...
my nephew being one of them, he's been coding for 4 years AND going to
school full-time.

I've been bitten in the arse, however, by my lack of diploma... I was in
the top 5% non-managerial staff salary of my corporate division and
considered equivalent of a PhD, according to my HR reviews.

Made enough in fact to pay two kids' college bills out of my checkbook at
the same time.

The downside, of course, is that IS NOT portable! And when I was
"Riffed" partially due to my salary, it really hit me hard.

Summary:
The Diploma shows you have the patience and discipline to handle the
'crap' of 4 years of mostly inane and inocuous classwork. During which
time, you'll find many of your instructors to be utterly full of shit!

GREAT training for what you'll see in corporate life. If you can handle
the politics of 'school', you're more likely to play the corporate game
successfully... .I didnt have the patience, and it showed.


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Old 12-21-2005, 22:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Two incidents of auto insanity

Carpooling is the last croak of a dying civilization.

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