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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #1 (permalink)
Rich
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Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

One simple addition to the Mustang line;
A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
Thunderbird about three years ago.
Why won't they do it?
How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
-Rich
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

Rich wrote:
> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
> Thunderbird about three years ago.
> Why won't they do it?
> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
> -Rich


Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
collect money while there is no direct competition...
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

In article <ktvql1tfnhoaaiqa9pnd83cpblel1cg963@4ax.com>, Rich wrote:
> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
> Thunderbird about three years ago.
> Why won't they do it?


Because that Tbird wasn't designed for that sort of thing.

> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?


Stupid.


I would love to be on a team that took the GT and turned it into a
affordable, mass production sports car in vette price range. I believe it
can be done and the compromises wouldn't be anything that the reduction
in price couldn't justify easily.


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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

cprice@here.com wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>> Why won't they do it?
>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>> -Rich

>
> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
> gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
> no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
> collect money while there is no direct competition...


While GM is standing around with its head up its ass Ford is busy
creating the next generation of Mustang fanatics with the '05+ cars. In
a few years the younger crowd will say "What's a Camaro?" if GM doesn't
act soon.
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

Rich wrote:
> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
> Thunderbird about three years ago.
> Why won't they do it?
> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
> -Rich


Cuz they don't have to? People voted with their pocketbooks.

If you want a supercar, but a GT. If you want a fast mustang, buy a
supercharger.

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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>> While GM is standing around with its head up its ass Ford is busy

> creating the next generation of Mustang fanatics with the '05+ cars. In
> a few years the younger crowd will say "What's a Camaro?" if GM doesn't
> act soon.



They're already saying that. 8-)
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Why doesn't Ford one-up the Vette?

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:48:36 GMT, "cprice@here.com" <cprice@here.com>
wrote:

>Rich wrote:
>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>> Why won't they do it?
>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>> -Rich

>
> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
>gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
>no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
>collect money while there is no direct competition...
>

GM has already announced that the new F-car will make it's appearance
in 2007. Artist renderings & guesses at overall look have it go
sixties retro like the current Mustang.
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:02   #8 (permalink)
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:40:24 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<cds@erols.com> wrote:

>cprice@here.com wrote:
>> Rich wrote:
>>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>> Why won't they do it?
>>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>> -Rich

>>
>> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
>> gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
>> no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
>> collect money while there is no direct competition...

>
>While GM is standing around with its head up its ass Ford is busy
>creating the next generation of Mustang fanatics with the '05+ cars. In
>a few years the younger crowd will say "What's a Camaro?" if GM doesn't
>act soon.
>

I'm sure you have seen this
http://popularhotrodding.com/feature...amaro_01_z.jpg
floating around on the web. Supposedly some insiders have said that
it is real close to what they will bring out in 2007 as an F-car in an
RS version with a V6 and an SS version with the 5.3l V8. If sales are
strong Pontiac may get a killer LS6 version as a Trans Am. Or so the
stories go.
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:01   #9 (permalink)
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ZombyWoof wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:40:24 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> cprice@here.com wrote:
>>> Rich wrote:
>>>> One simple addition to the Mustang line;
>>>> A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
>>>> I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
>>>> Thunderbird about three years ago.
>>>> Why won't they do it?
>>>> How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?
>>>> -Rich
>>> Why go head to head with the Vette? Now that the f-bodies are long
>>> gone, the Stang is the last true two door north american musclecar. And
>>> no, I dont count the butt-ugly charger. Carve out your market niche and
>>> collect money while there is no direct competition...

>> While GM is standing around with its head up its ass Ford is busy
>> creating the next generation of Mustang fanatics with the '05+ cars. In
>> a few years the younger crowd will say "What's a Camaro?" if GM doesn't
>> act soon.
>>

> I'm sure you have seen this
> http://popularhotrodding.com/feature...amaro_01_z.jpg
> floating around on the web. Supposedly some insiders have said that
> it is real close to what they will bring out in 2007 as an F-car in an
> RS version with a V6 and an SS version with the 5.3l V8. If sales are
> strong Pontiac may get a killer LS6 version as a Trans Am. Or so the
> stories go.


That's a nice looking car but I think the odds of it seeing the light of
day are slim. GM has some huge problems to take care of and a new
Camaro won't solve any of them. Just like the Mustang hasn't solved
Ford's problems with the other cars in their lineup. I hope they do
come out with a Camaro but the odds of GM making it a complete package
(performance, style, utility while being affordable) are low at best.
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Old 10-25-2005, 11:01   #10 (permalink)
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Brent P wrote:
> In article <ktvql1tfnhoaaiqa9pnd83cpblel1cg963@4ax.com>, Rich wrote:
> > One simple addition to the Mustang line;
> > A small-block 427. They already have the engine,
> > I saw it (if you can image it) in a prototype racing
> > Thunderbird about three years ago.
> > Why won't they do it?

>
> Because that Tbird wasn't designed for that sort of thing.
>
> > How would it look if a Mustang waxed the GT?

>
> Stupid.
>
>
> I would love to be on a team that took the GT and turned it into a
> affordable, mass production sports car in vette price range. I believe it
> can be done and the compromises wouldn't be anything that the reduction
> in price couldn't justify easily.


Speaking of the GT, I see that on Ebay they're going for $160,000
opening bid, no reserve, and apparently no takers. What was the MSRP
again? $125,000? After a year at $250,000+, they seem to be creeping
down to that level in the real world. Even at $160,000 they're now a
bargain compared to the Ferrari and Lamborghini competition. Check
this comparo:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9743

180 Out

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