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Old 12-02-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
keller428@hotmail.com
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1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???


I've got a good question. There's a guy (on another non FOMOCO based
board) claiming to have owned a 1970 Mercury Monterey CHP car that had
a factory built 428PI motor that he claims that were special ordered by
the CHP from Ford to "CJ specifications". He says they were mentioned
in the "Ford Police Car" book put out by Motorbooks. These were not the
run of the mill police car model. They were purpose built Interceptor
types with 428s built to CJ specs. Apparently only available to law
enforcement. Some other agencies may have got a few but these were
built specificly to particular CHP standards because Mercury had won
the bid that year. He says these were the last cars with 428's. He
figures there were probably less than a 1000 built.

I called foul because I was under the impression that the only FE's
used in full size cars after 1967-68 model year was the 390. The other
big block would have been a step up to the 429.

I can't seem to find any engine options for the 1970 full size Mercs
anywhere other than tune-up sheets that shows 390-2V "Atlas" motor just
below the 429-4V.

Does anybody here know what FOMOCO police engines were available in
the 1970 Mercurys? Were they still popping 428PI motors into these?
Would they have detuned (or not) a CJ motor a little and dropped them
in or did they change over to the 429PI at that time?

Anybody got some good information???

Thanks!

-Mike.

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Old 12-02-2005, 19:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???

The code for the 428 police engine for Ford and Mercury in 69 and 70
was P, as it had been earlier. Since there was no P engine in the
Mustangs or Cougars or the intermediates, then the only option would be
the big cars. As for the "CJ specs", I suppose anything is possible. We
repainted one of those cars that came through the auction in '72 or
'73, but I cannot remember the engine. Maybe more searching will turn
up VIN code listings pertaining to your question.

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Old 12-02-2005, 20:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???

keller428@hotmail.com wrote:

> I've got a good question. There's a guy (on another non FOMOCO based
> board) claiming to have owned a 1970 Mercury Monterey CHP car that had
> a factory built 428PI motor that he claims that were special ordered by
> the CHP from Ford to "CJ specifications". He says they were mentioned
> in the "Ford Police Car" book put out by Motorbooks. These were not the
> run of the mill police car model. They were purpose built Interceptor
> types with 428s built to CJ specs. Apparently only available to law
> enforcement. Some other agencies may have got a few but these were
> built specificly to particular CHP standards because Mercury had won
> the bid that year. He says these were the last cars with 428's. He
> figures there were probably less than a 1000 built.
>
> I called foul because I was under the impression that the only FE's
> used in full size cars after 1967-68 model year was the 390. The other
> big block would have been a step up to the 429.
>
> I can't seem to find any engine options for the 1970 full size Mercs
> anywhere other than tune-up sheets that shows 390-2V "Atlas" motor just
> below the 429-4V.
>
> Does anybody here know what FOMOCO police engines were available in
> the 1970 Mercurys? Were they still popping 428PI motors into these?
> Would they have detuned (or not) a CJ motor a little and dropped them
> in or did they change over to the 429PI at that time?
>
> Anybody got some good information???
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Mike.
>


Mike,

I had a 71 Galaxy stationwagon (don't laugh, it made an excellent
parts chaser back in the early 80's) with a 429 engine and C6
transmission............Not sure what the changeover was, so the 428CJ
may have made it into more than a few full sized Fords in 1970........

Bill S.

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Old 12-02-2005, 22:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???

keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> I've got a good question. There's a guy (on another non FOMOCO based
> board) claiming to have owned a 1970 Mercury Monterey CHP car that had
> a factory built 428PI motor that he claims that were special ordered
> by the CHP from Ford to "CJ specifications". He says they were
> mentioned in the "Ford Police Car" book put out by Motorbooks. These
> were not the run of the mill police car model. They were purpose
> built Interceptor types with 428s built to CJ specs. Apparently only
> available to law enforcement. Some other agencies may have got a few
> but these were built specificly to particular CHP standards because
> Mercury had won the bid that year. He says these were the last cars
> with 428's. He figures there were probably less than a 1000 built.
>
> I called foul because I was under the impression that the only FE's
> used in full size cars after 1967-68 model year was the 390. The other
> big block would have been a step up to the 429.
>
> I can't seem to find any engine options for the 1970 full size Mercs
> anywhere other than tune-up sheets that shows 390-2V "Atlas" motor
> just below the 429-4V.
>
> Does anybody here know what FOMOCO police engines were available in
> the 1970 Mercurys? Were they still popping 428PI motors into these?
> Would they have detuned (or not) a CJ motor a little and dropped them
> in or did they change over to the 429PI at that time?
>
> Anybody got some good information???
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Mike.



Gessford Machine has some pages from old Ford parts books posted on their
website. If you look up the abbreviation "P/C on this page it will show you
it stands for "Police Car"
http://www.gessford.com/images/fordc...eviationsB.gif

Then check out http://www.gessford.com/images/428-02parts.gif . It shows the
part number for '66-'70 428 police car engine blocks (C7AZ 6009-E).

http://www.gessford.com/images/428-26parts.gif shows '69-'70 428 police car
dipstick part numbers.

This leads me to believe there were 428 police engines for the 1970 model
year, most likely they were available in both Fords and Mercurys. I have
found various references stating that the 428 police engines had aluminum
intakes where the other 428s did not, including the CJ, and SCJ.
--
Ken
ThunderSnake #51


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Old 12-02-2005, 22:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???

See if this will work. http://tinyurl.com/arcr9
The way I see it, there are two questions here. First, to build
something to "CJ" specs, you would need to have the CJ heads. This
results in exhaust manifolds that have a larger exit collector than the
regular manifold, and it also exits at a different angle altogether. If
this angle actually did not interfere with anything in the full frame
chassis, then the question is would Ford have tooled a special run of
headpipes just for these cars?
Second, CJ intake manifolds, as I try to remember back a ways, actually
replaced the aluminum Police intakes in the late 60's. So, someone
seeing that intake on a police engine might be inclined to think it was
a CJ engine.
Also, scrounger is full of crap, mojo 66 has made a couple of mistakes,
as has flat ernie. Intersting is that wrencher ha mentioned this same
car in passing on the Boss 302 board, and I wonder why you have a
Pontiac nickname.

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Old 12-02-2005, 23:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 1970 Monterey CHP car with 428PI motor???

http://tinyurl.com/9ylrr pics 71 to 77

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Old 12-03-2005, 00:01   #7 (permalink)
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I followed up on a post there and mentioned the exhaust manifold
issues. I doubt they were CJ motors. I knew the others were missing
stuff here and there too but didn't feel like going line to line on
every post.

I take it your a HAMB'r. You just a lurker there or a regular?

One of my best friends gave me the nickname years ago and it
stuck.....so I used it for a handle there too.

So whats your story newbee?

-Mike.

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Old 12-03-2005, 00:01   #8 (permalink)
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keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> I followed up on a post there and mentioned the exhaust manifold
> issues. I doubt they were CJ motors. I knew the others were missing
> stuff here and there too but didn't feel like going line to line on
> every post.
>
> I take it your a HAMB'r. You just a lurker there or a regular?
>
> One of my best friends gave me the nickname years ago and it
> stuck.....so I used it for a handle there too.
>
> So whats your story newbee?
>
> -Mike.

My grandson just told me what a lurker was. I wasn't sure what to say.
He ran some search (this is his computer) and found the HAMB and that
Boss site and the pictures. Pretty neat, isn't he?
Not much to tell. Had a lot of Fords. Ran the drag pack Poontang Shelby
out of R and S Collision in Reseda from 69 to 75. Bought it new and
never registered it on the street. It was two days old when we knocked
it down and put a custom paint job on it for the show circuit. It had
Doug Thorley header and slicks, and we put different wheels on it every
6 months or so. Sold it in 82 and haven't seen it since. I still have a
bunch of 427 stuff from the early 60's, but I think my grandson is
going to have to learn about those engines.
I'm just hanging out at my son's house for a bit. Going a week from
Tuesday for lung surgery. 42 years of painting cars finally caught up
to me. We didn't have respirators and all that shit back then. My
partner died in '92 of lung cancer, so I guess I can't complain. I'm
hoping Kyle gets the bug by reading about this stuff on his computer so
he can do something with the old engines. He'll be 16 next year.
I'm amazed at the revival of the old FE engines. Too bad it happened so
late. The new guys seem to have a good handle on making them run.

What do you drive?

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Old 12-03-2005, 18:01   #9 (permalink)
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'69 Mach I R-code, 4-speed. Black with a white gut. Mechanically
sound....solid body, needs full cosmetic resto. Good enough to cruise
and race in. I've had it almost 18 years.

'69 F100 short box. 302/2v 3 on the tree. NC truck. Solid resto
project. With some motor work it'll be a real nice parts chaser and
work truck with aspirations of resto-moding it.....unless I sell it
first.

'48 Ford Tudor sedan. SUPER solid car. Sold the flatty and drive
train. I'm just mopping up the 272 Y-block, T-10 4-speed, 8" rear
install. The '57 Y-block has the good heads, high ratio rockers and an
Edelbrock 553 three deuce intake with Holley/Ford carbs. It'll be
atleast drivable this spring.

'66 Rambler American drag car. NHRA Comp Eliminator/C vintage car with
serious local history. 21" engine set back, center steer, full chassis
and cage. All race car from a 1 week old car. Always class champion or
top contender at Niagara, Lancaster and Spencer from late 60's thru mid
70's. Currently 351W/C6 powered. Track ready this spring.

'02 Focus SVT - Daily driver and open tracker (road course). I use it
mostly for daily (summers only) use and for open track events.

-Mike.

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Old 12-03-2005, 22:01   #10 (permalink)
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keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> '69 Mach I R-code, 4-speed. Black with a white gut. Mechanically
> sound....solid body, needs full cosmetic resto. Good enough to cruise
> and race in. I've had it almost 18 years.

Ah, my kind of car. So you know first hand about the Cobra Jet's kick

>
> '69 F100 short box. 302/2v 3 on the tree. NC truck. Solid resto
> project. With some motor work it'll be a real nice parts chaser and
> work truck with aspirations of resto-moding it.....unless I sell it
> first.

Needs a 390. We had a 70 short bed with a Merc 410 in it. No traction
at all.

>
> '48 Ford Tudor sedan. SUPER solid car. Sold the flatty and drive
> train. I'm just mopping up the 272 Y-block, T-10 4-speed, 8" rear
> install. The '57 Y-block has the good heads, high ratio rockers and an
> Edelbrock 553 three deuce intake with Holley/Ford carbs. It'll be
> atleast drivable this spring.

Now that I'd like to see. Any chance of getting it done this month?

>
> '66 Rambler American drag car. NHRA Comp Eliminator/C vintage car with
> serious local history. 21" engine set back, center steer, full chassis
> and cage. All race car from a 1 week old car. Always class champion or
> top contender at Niagara, Lancaster and Spencer from late 60's thru mid
> 70's. Currently 351W/C6 powered. Track ready this spring.

One of my customers had a car like that. He put a 401 out of a smashed
Matador into it with a cross ram intake. We painted it Mopar
Butterscotch. Neat car.
>
> '02 Focus SVT - Daily driver and open tracker (road course). I use it
> mostly for daily (summers only) use and for open track events.

I test drove a Boss 302 this afternoon. My grandson was so jacked over
the cars he found on that website last night. There was a '70 for sale
about 40 miles from here in Grabber orange. Nice resto, but I think the
painter shot a coat of Pure White under the color, because it sure
looks a lot brighter than the originals. I might buy it for him, as
long as he doesn't take it to school. Christmas is coming.
You have an interesting variety of cars.

>
> -Mike.


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