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Old 07-28-2005, 18:01   #1 (permalink)
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20% ethanol??

I heard today in my gleeful drive that legislation is in the works that
will, among other things, phase in 20% ethanol gasoline (they said twice the
amount actually, so on second thought, that could be an aggregate figure).

I've heard some say no problem with most cars up to 25%, but what about old
carbureted beasts?

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Old 07-28-2005, 23:01   #2 (permalink)
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"Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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>I heard today in my gleeful drive that legislation is in the works that
>will, among other things, phase in 20% ethanol gasoline (they said twice
>the amount actually, so on second thought, that could be an aggregate
>figure).
>
> I've heard some say no problem with most cars up to 25%, but what about
> old carbureted beasts?
>
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How about the crap they are selling now in CA? E-85, it's 85% Ethanol! So
now we have a station selling it here. To get us fools to try it, they are
selling it for $1.85 a gallon. When I was in CA, I tried it in my Cavalier.
No difference that I could perceive. But when you're dealing with a monster
engine like that:)

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Old 07-29-2005, 00:01   #3 (permalink)
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> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
> news:wZeGe.2655$PC7.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>I heard today in my gleeful drive that legislation is in the works that
>>will, among other things, phase in 20% ethanol gasoline (they said twice
>>the amount actually, so on second thought, that could be an aggregate
>>figure).
>>
>> I've heard some say no problem with most cars up to 25%, but what about
>> old carbureted beasts?
>>
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>> Wound Up
>> ThunderSnake #65

>
> How about the crap they are selling now in CA? E-85, it's 85% Ethanol! So
> now we have a station selling it here. To get us fools to try it, they are
> selling it for $1.85 a gallon.


No cheet. So after 20+ years of yakking, we actually have E-85 pumps, I'll
be damned. And only $1.85, what a bargain for 15% petrol.

When I was in CA, I tried it in my Cavalier.
> No difference that I could perceive. But when you're dealing with a
> monster engine like that:)


That is interesting. It ran ok? Cool... I would like to try it in my own
beater.

I'm wondering about carbureted DD setups. What does it do with the lower
octane, and what about me gaskets, the mixture, the timing, all that shit.
Will I need an alcoholic carburetor? I know I -could- make my Mustang run
on ethanol if necessary, shit, it's been the Brazil way for years. But
these gradual changes in the mix... to muscle cars, tuned and built
traditionally... now what? =)

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Old 07-29-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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Ethanol INCREASES the octane rating of gasoline, so you can run those
good old fashioned big-ass compression ratios. Ethanol has a much
lower amount of heat energy per gallon, so you have to run a lot richer
than gasoline. It's also corrosive, and can rot out little neoprene
bits and fuel lines. That was the big rap on gasohol when it first
appeared in the late carburetor era. I don't know if Edelbrock,
Holley, etc., have changed the formulas of their little bits and
gaskets to handle ethanol, but I would guess that they have.

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Old 07-29-2005, 14:01   #5 (permalink)
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<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ethanol INCREASES the octane rating of gasoline, so you can run those
> good old fashioned big-ass compression ratios. Ethanol has a much
> lower amount of heat energy per gallon, so you have to run a lot richer
> than gasoline. It's also corrosive, and can rot out little neoprene
> bits and fuel lines. That was the big rap on gasohol when it first
> appeared in the late carburetor era. I don't know if Edelbrock,
> Holley, etc., have changed the formulas of their little bits and
> gaskets to handle ethanol, but I would guess that they have.
>
> 180 Out



My OT race car runs 100% Alcohol. Uses about twice as much fuel as when
running gasoline. But, the engine runs so cool. I hit the traps about 160,
and it's hard as hell to warm up. The other problem is trying to start it
when the engine is cold. Have to prime it with gasoline to get it to fire
up. Alcohol is not corrosive, but it absorbs water. Then it has no trouble
eating Aluminum. Like my $13.00 Earl's fittings and $100 billet fuel
filters.

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