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Old 04-14-2005, 20:01   #1 (permalink)
Whole Lotta Tom
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351C block code question

There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it concerns
the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes and such, I just
rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have nothing to say
about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the "H" in the stamped
code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the manufacturing
plant.

Any thoughts?

The thread is here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955

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Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is
attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities,
and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of
them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and
will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of
grotesque self-deception.- Mark Twain

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering

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Old 04-15-2005, 15:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question


Whole Lotta Tom wrote:
> There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it

concerns
> the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes and such,

I just
> rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have nothing

to say
> about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the "H" in the

stamped
> code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the

manufacturing
> plant.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> The thread is here:
>
>

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955
>
> --
> Tom
> TS3



---

Its a partial VIN. Ford did it on some cars/engine combos and didn't
on others. The two is the last part of the body type code (as in 02)
and the H is the engine code. The last six numbers are the sequential
unit number for the car itself just like the full VIN. My Boss 302 (G)
and my 428SCJ (R) motors have these partial VINs stamped on a pad at
the back of the block.

-Mike.
Thundersnake #5.

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Old 04-15-2005, 20:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question

keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> Whole Lotta Tom wrote:
>> There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it
>> concerns the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes
>> and such,

> I just
>> rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have
>> nothing to say about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the
>> "H" in the

> stamped
>> code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the
>> manufacturing plant.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> The thread is here:
>>
>>

> http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955
>>
>> --
>> Tom
>> TS3

>
>
> ---
>
> Its a partial VIN. Ford did it on some cars/engine combos and didn't
> on others. The two is the last part of the body type code (as in 02)
> and the H is the engine code. The last six numbers are the sequential
> unit number for the car itself just like the full VIN. My Boss 302 (G)
> and my 428SCJ (R) motors have these partial VINs stamped on a pad at
> the back of the block.
>
> -Mike.
> Thundersnake #5.



Ah, there is the problem. See the other post by the guy with the Boss 351
block. He has an F in the code. He writes:

"I had a Boss 351 car. The VIN of the car was 1F02R123456 (not really the
sequential build number). On the INNER FENDER (NOT the motor) was stamped
1F123456, which was obviously the year, assembly plant, and sequential build
number."

Since F was not used for any 351C engine type, his story has les. So, what
is the real deal? Is it that Ford was not consistant?

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Visit the Cleveland Engine Forum
http://www.351cleveland.net


Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is
attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing
falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that
the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys
after this process of grotesque self-deception.- Mark Twain

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -
Hermann Goering

"We don't go out and hire journalists and propagandize and lie and put
people on payroll so that they'll say what you want."--Donald Rumsfeld,
12/24/2004


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Old 04-16-2005, 10:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question


"Whole Lotta Tom" <tomcrocker@poboxnospam.com> wrote in message
news:50_7e.2131$J12.1466@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Whole Lotta Tom wrote:
> >> There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it
> >> concerns the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes
> >> and such,

> > I just
> >> rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have
> >> nothing to say about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the
> >> "H" in the

> > stamped
> >> code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the
> >> manufacturing plant.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> The thread is here:
> >>
> >>

> >

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom
> >> TS3

> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Its a partial VIN. Ford did it on some cars/engine combos and didn't
> > on others. The two is the last part of the body type code (as in 02)
> > and the H is the engine code. The last six numbers are the sequential
> > unit number for the car itself just like the full VIN. My Boss 302 (G)
> > and my 428SCJ (R) motors have these partial VINs stamped on a pad at
> > the back of the block.
> >
> > -Mike.
> > Thundersnake #5.

>
>
> Ah, there is the problem. See the other post by the guy with the Boss 351
> block. He has an F in the code. He writes:
>
> "I had a Boss 351 car. The VIN of the car was 1F02R123456 (not really the
> sequential build number). On the INNER FENDER (NOT the motor) was stamped
> 1F123456, which was obviously the year, assembly plant, and sequential

build
> number."
>
> Since F was not used for any 351C engine type, his story has les. So,

what
> is the real deal? Is it that Ford was not consistant?
>


Just to add a little more fuel to the fire, I built my 400 with a 1976 D7TE
block, casting date 6D21 (Apr 21 1976). I know it was originally built as a
351M since I took the original pistons & crank out of it. Stamped into the
pad on the back of the block is 6J156560. So if the 6 is the last # of the
body type code it could be from a 66 (LTD Brougham) or a 76 (Country Squire
Wagon). However there was no J engine code used in 1976 according to my
FoMoCo shop manual. The 351-2V engine code is H as has been noted ad
nauseum. The only J code I could find was for the assembly plant (Los
Angeles).

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Old 04-16-2005, 13:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question

In article <50_7e.2131$J12.1466@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Whole
Lotta Tom <tomcrocker@poboxnospam.com> wrote:

> keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Whole Lotta Tom wrote:
> >> There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it
> >> concerns the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes
> >> and such,

> > I just
> >> rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have
> >> nothing to say about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the
> >> "H" in the

> > stamped
> >> code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the
> >> manufacturing plant.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> The thread is here:
> >>
> >>

> > http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom
> >> TS3

> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Its a partial VIN. Ford did it on some cars/engine combos and didn't
> > on others. The two is the last part of the body type code (as in 02)
> > and the H is the engine code. The last six numbers are the sequential
> > unit number for the car itself just like the full VIN. My Boss 302 (G)
> > and my 428SCJ (R) motors have these partial VINs stamped on a pad at
> > the back of the block.
> >
> > -Mike.
> > Thundersnake #5.

>
>
> Ah, there is the problem. See the other post by the guy with the Boss 351
> block. He has an F in the code. He writes:
>
> "I had a Boss 351 car. The VIN of the car was 1F02R123456 (not really the
> sequential build number). On the INNER FENDER (NOT the motor) was stamped
> 1F123456, which was obviously the year, assembly plant, and sequential build
> number."
>
> Since F was not used for any 351C engine type, his story has les. So, what
> is the real deal? Is it that Ford was not consistant?


Would it be unreasonable that each plant had its own method? I mean,
let's say that Ford sends out a memo mandating some VIN stamping on the
block to somewhat deter vehicle theft strips. It might have been up to
the guy with the dies as to how that played out, as long as they were
complying with the rule. Heck, it might have varied from shift to
shift.

Differences in small parts and underside color and whatnot from
plant to plant are documented. Why not the VIN, too? The fact that you
have different results in your group and this one pretty well points to
inconsistent policy. The sequential number is going to be the critical
part of the stamp, anyway.

CobraJet

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Old 04-16-2005, 19:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question

CobraJet wrote:
> In article <50_7e.2131$J12.1466@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, Whole
> Lotta Tom <tomcrocker@poboxnospam.com> wrote:
>
>> keller428@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Whole Lotta Tom wrote:
>>>> There is a thread on my Cleveland forum about a 351C block and it
>>>> concerns the code stamped into it. I never paid attention to codes
>>>> and such,
>>> I just
>>>> rebuilt what was good and threw away what was bad. So I have
>>>> nothing to say about this. Basically, the debate is to whether the
>>>> "H" in the
>>> stamped
>>>> code, 2H182214, refers to the engine code (351C-2V) or the
>>>> manufacturing plant.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> The thread is here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1113252955
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom
>>>> TS3
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Its a partial VIN. Ford did it on some cars/engine combos and
>>> didn't
>>> on others. The two is the last part of the body type code (as in 02)
>>> and the H is the engine code. The last six numbers are the
>>> sequential unit number for the car itself just like the full VIN.
>>> My Boss 302 (G) and my 428SCJ (R) motors have these partial VINs
>>> stamped on a pad at
>>> the back of the block.
>>>
>>> -Mike.
>>> Thundersnake #5.

>>
>>
>> Ah, there is the problem. See the other post by the guy with the
>> Boss 351 block. He has an F in the code. He writes:
>>
>> "I had a Boss 351 car. The VIN of the car was 1F02R123456 (not
>> really the sequential build number). On the INNER FENDER (NOT the
>> motor) was stamped 1F123456, which was obviously the year, assembly
>> plant, and sequential build number."
>>
>> Since F was not used for any 351C engine type, his story has les.
>> So, what is the real deal? Is it that Ford was not consistant?

>
> Would it be unreasonable that each plant had its own method? I
> mean,
> let's say that Ford sends out a memo mandating some VIN stamping on
> the
> block to somewhat deter vehicle theft strips. It might have been up to
> the guy with the dies as to how that played out, as long as they were
> complying with the rule. Heck, it might have varied from shift to
> shift.
>
> Differences in small parts and underside color and whatnot from
> plant to plant are documented. Why not the VIN, too? The fact that you
> have different results in your group and this one pretty well points
> to inconsistent policy. The sequential number is going to be the
> critical
> part of the stamp, anyway.
>
> CobraJet


Not only is this possible, it seems likely. But I was hoping for a definate
confirmation.

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Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is
attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing
falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that
the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys
after this process of grotesque self-deception.- Mark Twain

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -
Hermann Goering

"We don't go out and hire journalists and propagandize and lie and put
people on payroll so that they'll say what you want."--Donald Rumsfeld,
12/24/2004


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Old 04-16-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: 351C block code question

Bill Beyer wrote:

>>

>
> Just to add a little more fuel to the fire, I built my 400 with a
> 1976 D7TE block, casting date 6D21 (Apr 21 1976). I know it was
> originally built as a 351M since I took the original pistons & crank
> out of it. Stamped into the pad on the back of the block is 6J156560.
> So if the 6 is the last # of the body type code it could be from a 66
> (LTD Brougham) or a 76 (Country Squire Wagon). However there was no J
> engine code used in 1976 according to my FoMoCo shop manual. The
> 351-2V engine code is H as has been noted ad nauseum. The only J code
> I could find was for the assembly plant (Los Angeles).



Yes, it sounds like a plant code.

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Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is
attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing
falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that
the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys
after this process of grotesque self-deception.- Mark Twain

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to do the bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -
Hermann Goering

"We don't go out and hire journalists and propagandize and lie and put
people on payroll so that they'll say what you want."--Donald Rumsfeld,
12/24/2004


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