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"John" <mooresjc@chartermi.removethisandonedot.net> wrote in message
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> "Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> John wrote:
>>> "Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> >
>>> > John wrote:
>>> >> $20K
>>> >
>>> > Back in the 70' there was a comapny named Speidel that used to make a
>>> > watch band called the Twist-o-Flex. This what we used to call the pre
>>> > 71 Mustangs. At 400 horsepower, you will begin to crack and separate
>>> > several areas in the chassis. This is where you begin.
>>>
>>> Sage advice. I seem to recall similar advice from a friend a couple
>>> years
>>> ago. Thanks. Something like sub-frame connectors, a G-load brace, and
>>> a
>>> strut tower brace should help.
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure what I'll do yet. I want to keep looking into what
>>> parts
>>> went into what I got first. Hey, didn't Ford start stamping the VIN
>>> number
>>> on the back of the block on the drivers side just below where the heads
>>> bolt
>>> on in 1968?
>>
>> I don't recall. You can look for that but I still think the date code
>> near the oil filter adapter is much easier. I have no idea what a
>> G-load brace is for the old cars. Maybe that's what they call an export
>> brace these days. Is this a stick? What gears?
>>>
>
> The date code at the oil filter is not readable. It was either a poor job
> at the factory from day one, or someone didn't want me to know what it is.
> I'll try to do a pencil rubbing across it to see if that brings anything
> out I can decipher.
>
> The car was produced on April 11, 1969.
>
> Yep, it's a stick. It has a 4 speed, wide ratio toploader transmission.
> The rearend is a 3.25 Traction-Lok (Detroit Locker ). See my signature.
>
Let me add, that's what it's supposed to have anyway!
--
John - ThunderSnake #59
'69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
Wide Ratio Toploader
3.25 Traction-Lok (Detroit Locker)
Acapulco Blue
"Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why do you think it has a Detroit Locker?
>
Ah shit, that was a brain fart! It was ordered with a 3.25 Traction-Lok,
which I believe was made by Dana, not Detroit Locker. Do you know who made
it for Ford?
Anyway, in a turn with very little to no torque to the wheels you can
hear/feel one of the axles rachet. A little more torque in a turn and one
of the tires squeal thru the turn. AND, when I drop the clutch and punch it
at 3,000 RPM, it leaves the prettiest twin black marks you ever saw!
--
John - ThunderSnake #59
'69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
Wide Ratio Toploader
3.25 Traction-Lok
Acapulco Blue
John wrote:
> "Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1133831744.670859.293590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Why do you think it has a Detroit Locker?
> >
>
> Ah shit, that was a brain fart! It was ordered with a 3.25 Traction-Lok,
> which I believe was made by Dana, not Detroit Locker. Do you know who made
> it for Ford?
No.
>
> Anyway, in a turn with very little to no torque to the wheels you can
> hear/feel one of the axles rachet. A little more torque in a turn and one
> of the tires squeal thru the turn. AND, when I drop the clutch and punch it
> at 3,000 RPM, it leaves the prettiest twin black marks you ever saw!
Well, the ratcheting thing could be a real Locker, possibly added
later. You should check out the diff. What's the axle code? Why do you
think the trans is a wide ratio?
>
> --
> John - ThunderSnake #59
> '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
> Wide Ratio Toploader
> 3.25 Traction-Lok
> Acapulco Blue
"Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
>> "Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1133831744.670859.293590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Why do you think it has a Detroit Locker?
>> >
>>
>> Ah shit, that was a brain fart! It was ordered with a 3.25 Traction-Lok,
>> which I believe was made by Dana, not Detroit Locker. Do you know who
>> made
>> it for Ford?
> No.
>>
>> Anyway, in a turn with very little to no torque to the wheels you can
>> hear/feel one of the axles rachet. A little more torque in a turn and
>> one
>> of the tires squeal thru the turn. AND, when I drop the clutch and punch
>> it
>> at 3,000 RPM, it leaves the prettiest twin black marks you ever saw!
>
> Well, the ratcheting thing could be a real Locker, possibly added
> later. You should check out the diff. What's the axle code? Why do you
> think the trans is a wide ratio?
From the codes on the door tag and fender stamp, which match.
9F02S185203
9 1969
F Dearborn
02 Sportsroof
S 390-4V
85203rd Ford vehicle scheduled for production
63C Mustang Mach 1
65 Acapulco Blue with flat black hood
3AA Black Clarion Knit Hi back bucket seats
18D April 18, 1969 schedule build date
55 St. Louis
R 3.25 Traction-Lok
5 4 speed wide ratio Toploader
Power front disc brakes
Power steering
AM radio
Everything works but the clock.
--
John - ThunderSnake #59
'69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
Wide Ratio Toploader
3.25 Traction-Lok
Acapulco Blue
John wrote:
>
> From the codes on the door tag and fender stamp, which match.
>
> 9F02S185203
>
> 9 1969
> F Dearborn
> 02 Sportsroof
> S 390-4V
> 85203rd Ford vehicle scheduled for production
It begins at 100001, Hey, you just moved up!
>
> 63C Mustang Mach 1
> 65 Acapulco Blue with flat black hood
> 3AA Black Clarion Knit Hi back bucket seats
> 18D April 18, 1969 schedule build date
> 55 St. Louis
> R 3.25 Traction-Lok
> 5 4 speed wide ratio Toploader
Good. Behind a 390, this will probably be a small input shaft. See
David Kee's site to ID the trans for sure.
>
> Power front disc brakes
> Power steering
> AM radio
>
> Everything works but the clock.
Sell it and buy one with a working clock.
So now, all you have to do is figure out if this is going to be a car
that turns corners as well as hooks up in a straight line. Do you have
a strip within range?
>
> --
> John - ThunderSnake #59
> '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
> Wide Ratio Toploader
> 3.25 Traction-Lok
> Acapulco Blue
"John" <mooresjc@chartermi.removethisandonedot.net> wrote in message
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> "Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1133831744.670859.293590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Why do you think it has a Detroit Locker?
>>
>
> Ah shit, that was a brain fart! It was ordered with a 3.25 Traction-Lok,
> which I believe was made by Dana, not Detroit Locker. Do you know who
> made it for Ford?
Fords "Limited slip" clutch rear ends of that vintage are called Traction
Loc, Traction Loc units first appeared about 1969, prior to that from about
1964 to 1968 they used Equa locs. Don't know of a vender who manufactured
them for Ford, never heard of any reference to one either.
Your description of how your rear-end is working sounds a lot more like a
Detroit locker than a Traction Loc clutch "Limited slip". If indeed you do
have a locker with 3.25 gears I can pretty much guarantee that the locker is
not original from Ford and was added some time later. For '71 Drag Pack
option cars you got either 3.91 Traction-Lok or a 4.11 Detroit-Locker
differential, the only 429 (S)CJ Mustang gear ratio that got a
Detroit-Locker from Ford in '71.
>
> Anyway, in a turn with very little to no torque to the wheels you can
> hear/feel one of the axles rachet. A little more torque in a turn and one
> of the tires squeal thru the turn. AND, when I drop the clutch and punch
> it at 3,000 RPM, it leaves the prettiest twin black marks you ever saw!
>
> --
> John - ThunderSnake #59
> '69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
> Wide Ratio Toploader
> 3.25 Traction-Lok
> Acapulco Blue
>
>
>
"Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
>>
>> From the codes on the door tag and fender stamp, which match.
>>
>> 9F02S185203
>>
>> 9 1969
>> F Dearborn
>> 02 Sportsroof
>> S 390-4V
>> 85203rd Ford vehicle scheduled for production
> It begins at 100001, Hey, you just moved up!
>>
>> 63C Mustang Mach 1
>> 65 Acapulco Blue with flat black hood
>> 3AA Black Clarion Knit Hi back bucket seats
>> 18D April 18, 1969 schedule build date
>> 55 St. Louis
>> R 3.25 Traction-Lok
>> 5 4 speed wide ratio Toploader
> Good. Behind a 390, this will probably be a small input shaft. See
> David Kee's site to ID the trans for sure.
>
>>
>> Power front disc brakes
>> Power steering
>> AM radio
>>
>> Everything works but the clock.
> Sell it and buy one with a working clock.
>
> So now, all you have to do is figure out if this is going to be a car
> that turns corners as well as hooks up in a straight line. Do you have
> a strip within range?
It turns corners fine and there are absolutely NO curvey roads within 50
miles of Midland, Michigan, so a straight line is fine.
John wrote:
> > So now, all you have to do is figure out if this is going to be a car
> > that turns corners as well as hooks up in a straight line. Do you have
> > a strip within range?
>
> It turns corners fine and there are absolutely NO curvey roads within 50
> miles of Midland, Michigan, so a straight line is fine.
A gear change will give you the most bang for the buck. 3.70's or
3.90's. A Shelby trac bar will work with fresh 4-leaf springs and
stiffer bushings. Look at gusseting the spring mounts to the axle
housing and reinforcing the sheetmetal above where the front spring
mount attaches to the subframe. The trac bar will try to separate this
section. Look for thicker rear shackes. Aftermarket 1350 u-joints and
upgraded axle studs.
"Maximillian Rennquist" <WDSPoontang@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
>> > So now, all you have to do is figure out if this is going to be a car
>> > that turns corners as well as hooks up in a straight line. Do you have
>> > a strip within range?
>>
>> It turns corners fine and there are absolutely NO curvey roads within 50
>> miles of Midland, Michigan, so a straight line is fine.
>
> A gear change will give you the most bang for the buck. 3.70's or
> 3.90's. A Shelby trac bar will work with fresh 4-leaf springs and
> stiffer bushings. Look at gusseting the spring mounts to the axle
> housing and reinforcing the sheetmetal above where the front spring
> mount attaches to the subframe. The trac bar will try to separate this
> section. Look for thicker rear shackes. Aftermarket 1350 u-joints and
> upgraded axle studs.
>
>>
>> None locally.
>>
>> http://www.staginglight.com/links/trackfinder.html
>
> Evidently, Bandimere is closest to where I am now. But I'll bet its
> closed in this weather.
>
>>
>> Closest is 70 miles away.
>>
>> There's a lot of straight lonely country roads. ;-)
>
> Good for testing performance of biblical proportions.
>>
>> Take a look at the Mach 1. It's over in auto pictures.
>
> Where?
alt.binaries.pictures.autos
--
John - ThunderSnake #59
'69 Mach 1 w/ 390 4V
Wide Ratio Toploader
3.25 Traction-Lok
Acapulco Blue
Linear Mode
