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Old 10-02-2005, 09:01   #1 (permalink)
Cory Dunkle
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Head upgrade for a 460... Thoughts?

I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74 motor
which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and they
would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since I have
some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on. What are
good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head for a
460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a little
extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.

What's out there? I think the Edelbrock RPM heads are a safe choice. They
seem to be good from what I've heard. There's also the Jon Kaase aluminum
SCJ heads which I hear are good. Not sure if they will work with my stock
pistons though, anyone know? I hear good things about the A heads, but I
don't want to deal with those header/exhaust issues. It's hard enough as it
is to find headers for a 460 into a '68 Galaxie.Well, every 385 series head
I've heard good things about, so people seem to be happy with their choices,
but what's the difference in performance and such? Of course there's also
the option of saving money and buying a pair of D0VE heads or something
that's been ported. Let's hear some input... I'd like to know what you guys
would recommend.


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Old 10-03-2005, 09:02   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Head upgrade for a 460... Thoughts?


"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1128264181.5fbe972bba74cb6bddb4fe595da3f171@teranews...
> I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74
> motor
> which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
> freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and they
> would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since I
> have
> some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on. What
> are
> good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head for a
> 460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a little
> extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.
>
> What's out there? I think the Edelbrock RPM heads are a safe choice. They
> seem to be good from what I've heard. There's also the Jon Kaase aluminum
> SCJ heads which I hear are good. Not sure if they will work with my stock
> pistons though, anyone know? I hear good things about the A heads, but I
> don't want to deal with those header/exhaust issues. It's hard enough as
> it
> is to find headers for a 460 into a '68 Galaxie.Well, every 385 series
> head
> I've heard good things about, so people seem to be happy with their
> choices,
> but what's the difference in performance and such? Of course there's also
> the option of saving money and buying a pair of D0VE heads or something
> that's been ported. Let's hear some input... I'd like to know what you
> guys
> would recommend.
>
>


Blue Thunder also makes decent heads for your engine. The Jon Kaase heads
have the valves relocated, the eyelash is in a different location, but the
cam and cam timing will change the piston to valve issue. Pistons are less
expensive than heads, PI heads from the early 70's and D0VE heads with PI
valves work well. The pistons will determine the compression ratio.

What are you going to use the car for? And, what year is the short block?

Al # 35


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Old 10-03-2005, 09:02   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Head upgrade for a 460... Thoughts?

"Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> "Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1128264181.5fbe972bba74cb6bddb4fe595da3f171@teranews...
> > I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74
> > motor
> > which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
> > freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and

they
> > would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since I
> > have
> > some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on. What
> > are
> > good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head for

a
> > 460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a

little
> > extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.
> >
> > What's out there? I think the Edelbrock RPM heads are a safe choice.

They
> > seem to be good from what I've heard. There's also the Jon Kaase

aluminum
> > SCJ heads which I hear are good. Not sure if they will work with my

stock
> > pistons though, anyone know? I hear good things about the A heads, but I
> > don't want to deal with those header/exhaust issues. It's hard enough as
> > it
> > is to find headers for a 460 into a '68 Galaxie.Well, every 385 series
> > head
> > I've heard good things about, so people seem to be happy with their
> > choices,
> > but what's the difference in performance and such? Of course there's

also
> > the option of saving money and buying a pair of D0VE heads or something
> > that's been ported. Let's hear some input... I'd like to know what you
> > guys
> > would recommend.
> >
> >

>
> Blue Thunder also makes decent heads for your engine. The Jon Kaase heads
> have the valves relocated, the eyelash is in a different location, but the
> cam and cam timing will change the piston to valve issue. Pistons are less
> expensive than heads, PI heads from the early 70's and D0VE heads with PI
> valves work well. The pistons will determine the compression ratio.
>
> What are you going to use the car for? And, what year is the short block?


The car is a '68 Galaxie and will be pretty much a daily driver in the
summer months, with the occasional evening at the strip. It will eventually
get a T56 as I plan on driving it a lot in the summer and I'd like something
resembling decent mileage. At the moment I have a C6 that'll be going in the
Galaxie behind the 460. I'm not opposed to buying a higher stall converter
if need be as the T56 probably won't be for another 2 years or so unless I
find one for a steal.

The short block is a '74 I believe. D1VE block, C9AE rods, and I'm not sure
about the pistons. I don't want to get heads that will give me issues with
piston to valve clearance as I'd rather not have to get new pistons or cut
new valve reliefs. I don't want to go too crazy on the cam since the car
will be used about every other day when the weather is nice, so hopefully
P/V clearance will not be a problem.

Cory


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Old 10-04-2005, 00:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Head upgrade for a 460... Thoughts?


"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:O0b0f.17$Nu5.90@news.uswest.net...
>>
>> "Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:1128264181.5fbe972bba74cb6bddb4fe595da3f171@teranews...
>> > I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74
>> > motor
>> > which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
>> > freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and

> they
>> > would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since I
>> > have
>> > some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on.
>> > What
>> > are
>> > good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head for

> a
>> > 460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a

> little
>> > extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.
>> >
>> > What's out there? I think the Edelbrock RPM heads are a safe choice.

> They
>> > seem to be good from what I've heard. There's also the Jon Kaase

> aluminum
>> > SCJ heads which I hear are good. Not sure if they will work with my

> stock
>> > pistons though, anyone know? I hear good things about the A heads, but
>> > I
>> > don't want to deal with those header/exhaust issues. It's hard enough
>> > as
>> > it
>> > is to find headers for a 460 into a '68 Galaxie.Well, every 385 series
>> > head
>> > I've heard good things about, so people seem to be happy with their
>> > choices,
>> > but what's the difference in performance and such? Of course there's

> also
>> > the option of saving money and buying a pair of D0VE heads or something
>> > that's been ported. Let's hear some input... I'd like to know what you
>> > guys
>> > would recommend.
>> >
>> >

>>
>> Blue Thunder also makes decent heads for your engine. The Jon Kaase heads
>> have the valves relocated, the eyelash is in a different location, but
>> the
>> cam and cam timing will change the piston to valve issue. Pistons are
>> less
>> expensive than heads, PI heads from the early 70's and D0VE heads with PI
>> valves work well. The pistons will determine the compression ratio.
>>
>> What are you going to use the car for? And, what year is the short block?

>
> The car is a '68 Galaxie and will be pretty much a daily driver in the
> summer months, with the occasional evening at the strip. It will
> eventually
> get a T56 as I plan on driving it a lot in the summer and I'd like
> something
> resembling decent mileage. At the moment I have a C6 that'll be going in
> the
> Galaxie behind the 460. I'm not opposed to buying a higher stall converter
> if need be as the T56 probably won't be for another 2 years or so unless I
> find one for a steal.
>
> The short block is a '74 I believe. D1VE block, C9AE rods, and I'm not
> sure
> about the pistons. I don't want to get heads that will give me issues with
> piston to valve clearance as I'd rather not have to get new pistons or cut
> new valve reliefs. I don't want to go too crazy on the cam since the car
> will be used about every other day when the weather is nice, so hopefully
> P/V clearance will not be a problem.
>
> Cory
>


About how deep is the dish in the piston? D1VE is a 71 block, if it has 71
pistons you can use early heads and have about 10.5 to 1 compression. Sounds
like a decent set of stock 68 to 70 heads would be fine, or you can have PI
valves put in them.

Al


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"Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> "Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > "Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:O0b0f.17$Nu5.90@news.uswest.net...
> >>
> >> "Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1128264181.5fbe972bba74cb6bddb4fe595da3f171@teranews...
> >> > I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74
> >> > motor
> >> > which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
> >> > freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and

> > they
> >> > would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since

I
> >> > have
> >> > some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on.
> >> > What
> >> > are
> >> > good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head

for
> > a
> >> > 460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a

> > little
> >> > extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.
> >> >
> >> > What's out there? I think the Edelbrock RPM heads are a safe choice.

> > They
> >> > seem to be good from what I've heard. There's also the Jon Kaase

> > aluminum
> >> > SCJ heads which I hear are good. Not sure if they will work with my

> > stock
> >> > pistons though, anyone know? I hear good things about the A heads,

but
> >> > I
> >> > don't want to deal with those header/exhaust issues. It's hard enough
> >> > as
> >> > it
> >> > is to find headers for a 460 into a '68 Galaxie.Well, every 385

series
> >> > head
> >> > I've heard good things about, so people seem to be happy with their
> >> > choices,
> >> > but what's the difference in performance and such? Of course there's

> > also
> >> > the option of saving money and buying a pair of D0VE heads or

something
> >> > that's been ported. Let's hear some input... I'd like to know what

you
> >> > guys
> >> > would recommend.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Blue Thunder also makes decent heads for your engine. The Jon Kaase

heads
> >> have the valves relocated, the eyelash is in a different location, but
> >> the
> >> cam and cam timing will change the piston to valve issue. Pistons are
> >> less
> >> expensive than heads, PI heads from the early 70's and D0VE heads with

PI
> >> valves work well. The pistons will determine the compression ratio.
> >>
> >> What are you going to use the car for? And, what year is the short

block?
> >
> > The car is a '68 Galaxie and will be pretty much a daily driver in the
> > summer months, with the occasional evening at the strip. It will
> > eventually
> > get a T56 as I plan on driving it a lot in the summer and I'd like
> > something
> > resembling decent mileage. At the moment I have a C6 that'll be going in
> > the
> > Galaxie behind the 460. I'm not opposed to buying a higher stall

converter
> > if need be as the T56 probably won't be for another 2 years or so unless

I
> > find one for a steal.
> >
> > The short block is a '74 I believe. D1VE block, C9AE rods, and I'm not
> > sure
> > about the pistons. I don't want to get heads that will give me issues

with
> > piston to valve clearance as I'd rather not have to get new pistons or

cut
> > new valve reliefs. I don't want to go too crazy on the cam since the car
> > will be used about every other day when the weather is nice, so

hopefully
> > P/V clearance will not be a problem.
> >
> > Cory
> >

>
> About how deep is the dish in the piston? D1VE is a 71 block, if it has 71
> pistons you can use early heads and have about 10.5 to 1 compression.

Sounds
> like a decent set of stock 68 to 70 heads would be fine, or you can have

PI
> valves put in them.
>
> Al


I was considering some ported D0VE heads, and someone local has as-cast C8
heads which I understand are pretty much identical to D0VE castings. I could
get ported D0VEs ready to run for under $1000. I think I'm gonna go the
extra bit and get the Edelbrock RPM heads and pair that with the RPM cam and
a Weiand Stealth intake. Edelbrock claims the RPM package will produce ~500
HP, which should be plenty for my purposes. It also can't hurt to get a
hefty chunk of weight off the front end. I figure I'll be happy with the RPM
heads and shouldnt' be wanting for more from the '68 after that's all in
there. After the 460 is in the only thing I want to do to the car is a
manual overdrive trans, everything else is just minor stuff.

Is there any reason I shouldn't go with the Edelbrock heads and cam, being
as how I have the funds to do so? I'm looking at ordering this stuff in the
next week or two. Hopefully by then I'll be up to doing some real work on
the 460 and the Galaxie.

Cory



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"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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_SNIP_

> I was considering some ported D0VE heads, and someone local has as-cast C8
> heads which I understand are pretty much identical to D0VE castings. I
> could
> get ported D0VEs ready to run for under $1000. I think I'm gonna go the
> extra bit and get the Edelbrock RPM heads and pair that with the RPM cam
> and
> a Weiand Stealth intake. Edelbrock claims the RPM package will produce
> ~500
> HP, which should be plenty for my purposes. It also can't hurt to get a
> hefty chunk of weight off the front end. I figure I'll be happy with the
> RPM
> heads and shouldnt' be wanting for more from the '68 after that's all in
> there. After the 460 is in the only thing I want to do to the car is a
> manual overdrive trans, everything else is just minor stuff.
>
> Is there any reason I shouldn't go with the Edelbrock heads and cam, being
> as how I have the funds to do so? I'm looking at ordering this stuff in
> the
> next week or two. Hopefully by then I'll be up to doing some real work on
> the 460 and the Galaxie.
>
> Cory


Depends on the rear end ratio. The cam is going to cost you low end torque.
Your transmission is going to die when that 460 grunts on it, unless you get
something stout. Weiand Stealth intake is a good choice. What carb were you
going to use?

Al # 35


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> _SNIP_
>
> > I was considering some ported D0VE heads, and someone local has as-cast

C8
> > heads which I understand are pretty much identical to D0VE castings. I
> > could
> > get ported D0VEs ready to run for under $1000. I think I'm gonna go the
> > extra bit and get the Edelbrock RPM heads and pair that with the RPM cam
> > and
> > a Weiand Stealth intake. Edelbrock claims the RPM package will produce
> > ~500
> > HP, which should be plenty for my purposes. It also can't hurt to get a
> > hefty chunk of weight off the front end. I figure I'll be happy with the
> > RPM
> > heads and shouldnt' be wanting for more from the '68 after that's all in
> > there. After the 460 is in the only thing I want to do to the car is a
> > manual overdrive trans, everything else is just minor stuff.
> >
> > Is there any reason I shouldn't go with the Edelbrock heads and cam,

being
> > as how I have the funds to do so? I'm looking at ordering this stuff in
> > the
> > next week or two. Hopefully by then I'll be up to doing some real work

on
> > the 460 and the Galaxie.
> >
> > Cory

>
> Depends on the rear end ratio. The cam is going to cost you low end

torque.
> Your transmission is going to die when that 460 grunts on it, unless you

get
> something stout. Weiand Stealth intake is a good choice. What carb were

you
> going to use?
>
> Al # 35


Well for now I have a Lincoln C6. I was going to get a torque converter
appropriate for the cam. The manual trans thing will not come to be for
another year or two. I had assumed the C6 would be strong enough since
everyone always talks about how tough they are and how hard it is to kill
them. I guess if the C6 can't take the power of this 460 and breaks I'll
have to upgrade to the T56 sooner. You know what they say, plastics make it
possible. ;)

Currently the rear is a 2.80:1 gear which resides in a WER case. When I get
the FE frame mounts from this '68 fastback at my local junkyard I'm gonna
snag the 9 inch out of that car. I was figuring 3.50:1 gears would get the
job done and not be too extreme for highway cruising. If need be down the
road when I get the T56 I'll swap to 4.11 or 4.56 gears, to take full
advantage of the .50:1 6th gear overdrive. As for the rear carb... I was
thinking a Holley 750 vacuum secondary would get the job done, but I wonder
if something a little larger may be wise?

Cory


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"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Currently the rear is a 2.80:1 gear which resides in a WER case. When I
> get
> the FE frame mounts from this '68 fastback at my local junkyard I'm gonna
> snag the 9 inch out of that car. I was figuring 3.50:1 gears would get the
> job done and not be too extreme for highway cruising. If need be down the
> road when I get the T56 I'll swap to 4.11 or 4.56 gears, to take full
> advantage of the .50:1 6th gear overdrive. As for the rear carb... I was
> thinking a Holley 750 vacuum secondary would get the job done, but I
> wonder
> if something a little larger may be wise?
>
> Cory
>
>


For the street that 750 would be fine, especially with an automatic. We run
a 1050 dominator on one of the Ford powered cars here, went down to a 850
and it ran faster. Changed to a 600 and it slowed down about .2 of a second.
It's a mild engine and we shift it around 5,500 RPM.

Al # 35


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"Cory Dunkle" <cdnews(no).(spam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm thinking I'd like to get some decent heads for my 460. It's a '74

motor
> which I believe is from a Lincoln. It's bone stock now and has been
> freshened up. Currently it has D3VE-A2A heads. I could port them and they
> would be as good as D0VE heads only with lower compression, but since I

have
> some money I'd rather just buy something I can pretty much bolt on. What

are
> good heads? I'd rather not spend a fortune but any aftermarket head for a
> 460 is gonna be expensive from what I've seen so maybe it's worth a little
> extra to go 'all-out'. I don't know, you tell me.
>


Well I've pretty much made up my mind. I'm gonna get a pair of ported D0VE-C
castings from Scott Johnstom of RHP. The should flow roughly 350/210 and
support well upwards of 500 HP. They will save me over $400 vs. the
Edelbrock RPM heads and support the same HP or better. I expect with my
combination and cam choice I will be making ~500 HP. Scott has dyno'd up to
700 HP with his ported iron heads. I'm impressed with the pictures of his
work and he seems to have a good reputation. I think I'll be happy with the
power level these heads are capable of and I can't really complain about the
price.

Cory


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