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Old 03-19-2005, 15:01   #1 (permalink)
STUK
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Intermittent wiper update

Well, I managed to mock up the wiper assy today before damp inclement
weather drove me indoors. The system as a whole works however there are some
challenges to face. I figured the parking angle would be an issue so I
removed both arms after installing the motor. I installed the internal wiper
arms onto the bellcrank and installed one arm.in the park position. I fired
up the beast with a spare battery and to my chagrin it went backwards first
scraping on the cowl then forward to and parked at about a 45 degree angle.
hmmmm? I reinstalled the arm at the "proper" 45 degree park position to save
my cowl then set about analyzing the problem. Basically the motor position
needs to be changed so that it puts the bellcrank in the "stock" 67 position
when parked. This is really a function of the position of the '88's drive
shaft orientation as compared to the '67's. It appears to be 45 degrees
different. I have two possible solutions. One is to physically move the
motor mounting 45 degrees or see if the shaft can be moved internally. The
latter is most likely not possible as the gear/shaft combo is probably "fool
proof" and is keyed to orient the slip rings to allow the intermittent and
park functions to work.
I'll keep you updated when it is functioning....Back to the drawing board
;^) StruK

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Old 03-19-2005, 18:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

My whole intermittent wiper system for my 65 FB came from a late 60s
model F-150 (higher end model and salvage yards throughout California
have tons of them). Essentially the same parts that are in the Mustang
Total cost... $25.

Wiper switch & motor. Swapped out the motors. Swap out the switch. The
switch is the same except the F-150 switch has a longer shaft. Have to
shorten that, then add a flat spot for the set screw (good ol'
Dremel). Box already attached to switch, used same wired, and
grounded to dash frame. Turn switch right for reg wipers, and left for
intermittent timing. End product looks just like the original switch.

Not familiar with the dash set up you have compared to mine, so you
may not be able to use the same stuff. I can copy and send the
instructions I was given if you are interested.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:38:02 -0500, "STUK" <BLOODYBRIGAND@TREBEK.COM>
wrote:

>Well, I managed to mock up the wiper assy today before damp inclement
>weather drove me indoors. The system as a whole works however there are some
>challenges to face. I figured the parking angle would be an issue so I
>removed both arms after installing the motor. I installed the internal wiper
>arms onto the bellcrank and installed one arm.in the park position. I fired
>up the beast with a spare battery and to my chagrin it went backwards first
>scraping on the cowl then forward to and parked at about a 45 degree angle.
>hmmmm? I reinstalled the arm at the "proper" 45 degree park position to save
>my cowl then set about analyzing the problem. Basically the motor position
>needs to be changed so that it puts the bellcrank in the "stock" 67 position
>when parked. This is really a function of the position of the '88's drive
>shaft orientation as compared to the '67's. It appears to be 45 degrees
>different. I have two possible solutions. One is to physically move the
>motor mounting 45 degrees or see if the shaft can be moved internally. The
>latter is most likely not possible as the gear/shaft combo is probably "fool
>proof" and is keyed to orient the slip rings to allow the intermittent and
>park functions to work.
> I'll keep you updated when it is functioning....Back to the drawing board
>;^) StruK
>
>ThunderSnake #11
>
>


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Old 03-19-2005, 21:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

Thanks Spike I appreciate the offer. The '65 is most likely similar under
the dash to my '67.
I'm just basically goofing around with shit I already have stashed away from
cars I've scrapped. As I mentioned in the post the difference lies in the
orientation of the shaft keying. I should have been more cognizant of it but
I just slapped the motor in the easiest way it would fit, Damn the
torpedoes! The wiper set up in the '88 is under the hood so I was pretty
happy the rotation was even the same. It's a good thing taht at least you
have the documents and instructions of the what parts you used just for
posterity.
As I've mentioned the biggest annoyance on the '67/'68( as noted by Wound Up
too) is the wiper switch on them is up in the gauge cluster and is not a
rotary one like the Falcon based early ones. This doesn't make it a simple
swap to keep the aestetics original. Not a concern for me but others that
want to keep it stock looking are on there own as far as switch is
concerned. StuK

ThunderSnake #11

"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:gujp31lbqa8c71smcm3qpcg1se6hjsdt03@4ax.com...
> My whole intermittent wiper system for my 65 FB came from a late 60s
> model F-150 (higher end model and salvage yards throughout California
> have tons of them). Essentially the same parts that are in the Mustang
> Total cost... $25.
>
> Wiper switch & motor. Swapped out the motors. Swap out the switch. The
> switch is the same except the F-150 switch has a longer shaft. Have to
> shorten that, then add a flat spot for the set screw (good ol'
> Dremel). Box already attached to switch, used same wired, and
> grounded to dash frame. Turn switch right for reg wipers, and left for
> intermittent timing. End product looks just like the original switch.
>
> Not familiar with the dash set up you have compared to mine, so you
> may not be able to use the same stuff. I can copy and send the
> instructions I was given if you are interested.
>
>
>>

>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16



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Old 03-19-2005, 22:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

No problemo... just thought I'd offer if it might be of help.

Yeah, I lucked out in that the switch for the 65 and the F-150s are
the same except for shaft length. I hated the thought of installing
one of those ugly jc Whitney aftermarket boxes under the dash.
Intermittent is so important and yet finding a simple aftermarket
system isn't. Seems like you can get any upgrade right off the shelf
except that.

And one of my fave places is Rte 1 on the California coast where you
can drive in and out of patches of fog. With the old wipers I'd be
wearing out the switch every time I turned around.

Next step is to replace the washer bag with something which holds a
bit more so I won't have to refill it so often. Thought about running
a hose from my house, but figured I'd be in trouble about the time I
passed the mail box... Just wasn't sure if I'd rip the spigot off the
side of the house or rip the whole front end off the car.

Just bought the parts to convert to LED turn sigs and emergency
flashers, along with sequential taillights. I considered a third
taillight but nixed it. The LEDs and Xenon headlamps will be brighter
than the old bulbs.

Have not figured out where I'll go next... 65 Ford truck, or Factory 5
Cobra. Who needs retirement money anyway.....

Only 4 pages of things to go.... LOL

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:50:11 -0500, "STUK" <BLOODYBRIGAND@TREBEK.COM>
wrote:

>Thanks Spike I appreciate the offer. The '65 is most likely similar under
>the dash to my '67.
>I'm just basically goofing around with shit I already have stashed away from
>cars I've scrapped. As I mentioned in the post the difference lies in the
>orientation of the shaft keying. I should have been more cognizant of it but
>I just slapped the motor in the easiest way it would fit, Damn the
>torpedoes! The wiper set up in the '88 is under the hood so I was pretty
>happy the rotation was even the same. It's a good thing taht at least you
>have the documents and instructions of the what parts you used just for
>posterity.
>As I've mentioned the biggest annoyance on the '67/'68( as noted by Wound Up
>too) is the wiper switch on them is up in the gauge cluster and is not a
>rotary one like the Falcon based early ones. This doesn't make it a simple
>swap to keep the aestetics original. Not a concern for me but others that
>want to keep it stock looking are on there own as far as switch is
>concerned. StuK
>
>ThunderSnake #11
>
>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:gujp31lbqa8c71smcm3qpcg1se6hjsdt03@4ax.com...
>> My whole intermittent wiper system for my 65 FB came from a late 60s
>> model F-150 (higher end model and salvage yards throughout California
>> have tons of them). Essentially the same parts that are in the Mustang
>> Total cost... $25.
>>
>> Wiper switch & motor. Swapped out the motors. Swap out the switch. The
>> switch is the same except the F-150 switch has a longer shaft. Have to
>> shorten that, then add a flat spot for the set screw (good ol'
>> Dremel). Box already attached to switch, used same wired, and
>> grounded to dash frame. Turn switch right for reg wipers, and left for
>> intermittent timing. End product looks just like the original switch.
>>
>> Not familiar with the dash set up you have compared to mine, so you
>> may not be able to use the same stuff. I can copy and send the
>> instructions I was given if you are interested.
>>
>>
>>>

>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
>> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
>> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

>


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Old 03-20-2005, 17:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update


"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:o31q3150e0at2p9i9sjm9tr1n7o5nk9ns2@4ax.com...
> No problemo... just thought I'd offer if it might be of help.
>
> Yeah, I lucked out in that the switch for the 65 and the F-150s are
> the same except for shaft length. I hated the thought of installing
> one of those ugly jc Whitney aftermarket boxes under the dash.
> Intermittent is so important and yet finding a simple aftermarket
> system isn't. Seems like you can get any upgrade right off the shelf
> except that.


I've been around wires all my life so reading a schematic and cobbling up a
system is no big deal.
>
> And one of my fave places is Rte 1 on the California coast where you
> can drive in and out of patches of fog. With the old wipers I'd be
> wearing out the switch every time I turned around.


Hard to believe looking back that cars didn't have them along time ago. A
friend has a 1964 Mercury Meteor with a one speed wiper and NO washer!!!
>
> Next step is to replace the washer bag with something which holds a
> bit more so I won't have to refill it so often. Thought about running
> a hose from my house, but figured I'd be in trouble about the time I
> passed the mail box... Just wasn't sure if I'd rip the spigot off the
> side of the house or rip the whole front end off the car.


I've been contemplating what to do on mine too. Obviously an aftermarket
inline pump on the larger plastic reservoir would be a way to go. The other
thought I had was to use the '88 resevoir that goes under the fender. I have
no issues Greenleeing a big hole in my inner fender but again it might scare
away those who want to keep their mods "reversible"

>
> Just bought the parts to convert to LED turn sigs and emergency
> flashers, along with sequential taillights. I considered a third
> taillight but nixed it. The LEDs and Xenon headlamps will be brighter
> than the old bulbs.


Been looking at rigging up something on mine too. I figure I may just add
two more bulbs per side ( the '67's having a much larger taillight can than
the '65) use 2067's for added brightness.
>
> Have not figured out where I'll go next... 65 Ford truck, or Factory 5
> Cobra. Who needs retirement money anyway.....
>
> Only 4 pages of things to go.... LOL


Makes you wanna die just for the rest.....;^) StuK

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Old 03-20-2005, 18:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

STUK wrote:
> "Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
> news:o31q3150e0at2p9i9sjm9tr1n7o5nk9ns2@4ax.com...
>
>>No problemo... just thought I'd offer if it might be of help.
>>
>>Yeah, I lucked out in that the switch for the 65 and the F-150s are
>>the same except for shaft length. I hated the thought of installing
>>one of those ugly jc Whitney aftermarket boxes under the dash.
>>Intermittent is so important and yet finding a simple aftermarket
>>system isn't. Seems like you can get any upgrade right off the shelf
>>except that.

>
>
> I've been around wires all my life so reading a schematic and cobbling up a
> system is no big deal.
>
>>And one of my fave places is Rte 1 on the California coast where you
>>can drive in and out of patches of fog. With the old wipers I'd be
>>wearing out the switch every time I turned around.

>
>
> Hard to believe looking back that cars didn't have them along time ago. A
> friend has a 1964 Mercury Meteor with a one speed wiper and NO washer!!!


Never heard of that one. I know tractors have manual wipers, but I
swore old Jeeps or something did, too...

Which 60s Ford was it that had vacuum-actuated wipers, which slowed down
when the vac dropped, so that your visibility got worse when you
accelerated? Was it an early 60s Falcon?

>>Next step is to replace the washer bag with something which holds a
>>bit more so I won't have to refill it so often. Thought about running
>>a hose from my house, but figured I'd be in trouble about the time I
>>passed the mail box... Just wasn't sure if I'd rip the spigot off the
>>side of the house or rip the whole front end off the car.

>
>
> I've been contemplating what to do on mine too. Obviously an aftermarket
> inline pump on the larger plastic reservoir would be a way to go.


That's what I did, and ran the pump to a small push-button switch on the
lower dash panel, so I could retain the foot pedal for fog and drizzle.
Kinda clunky but it works OK. Still would like the variable
intermittent thing.

The other
> thought I had was to use the '88 resevoir that goes under the fender. I have
> no issues Greenleeing a big hole in my inner fender but again it might scare
> away those who want to keep their mods "reversible"
>
>
>>Just bought the parts to convert to LED turn sigs and emergency
>>flashers, along with sequential taillights. I considered a third
>>taillight but nixed it. The LEDs and Xenon headlamps will be brighter
>>than the old bulbs.

>
>
> Been looking at rigging up something on mine too. I figure I may just add
> two more bulbs per side ( the '67's having a much larger taillight can than
> the '65) use 2067's for added brightness.
>
>>Have not figured out where I'll go next... 65 Ford truck, or Factory 5
>>Cobra. Who needs retirement money anyway.....
>>
>>Only 4 pages of things to go.... LOL

>
>
> Makes you wanna die just for the rest.....;^) StuK
>
> ThunderSnake #11
>


I hope you get the angle thing solved with the motor... I'll stay tuned.

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Old 03-20-2005, 19:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:18:26 GMT, Wound Up <none@your.disposal> wrote:


>> Hard to believe looking back that cars didn't have them along time ago. A
>> friend has a 1964 Mercury Meteor with a one speed wiper and NO washer!!!

>
>Never heard of that one. I know tractors have manual wipers, but I
>swore old Jeeps or something did, too...


The jeeps and other vehicles, too) we had in nam had wipers no washer.
They were vacuum operated no less.
>
>Which 60s Ford was it that had vacuum-actuated wipers, which slowed down
>when the vac dropped, so that your visibility got worse when you
>accelerated? Was it an early 60s Falcon?
>
>>>Next step is to replace the washer bag with something which holds a
>>>bit more so I won't have to refill it so often. Thought about running
>>>a hose from my house, but figured I'd be in trouble about the time I
>>>passed the mail box... Just wasn't sure if I'd rip the spigot off the
>>>side of the house or rip the whole front end off the car.

>>
>>
>> I've been contemplating what to do on mine too. Obviously an aftermarket
>> inline pump on the larger plastic reservoir would be a way to go.

>
>That's what I did, and ran the pump to a small push-button switch on the
>lower dash panel, so I could retain the foot pedal for fog and drizzle.
> Kinda clunky but it works OK. Still would like the variable
>intermittent thing.
>
>The other
>> thought I had was to use the '88 resevoir that goes under the fender. I have
>> no issues Greenleeing a big hole in my inner fender but again it might scare
>> away those who want to keep their mods "reversible"
>>
>>
>>>Just bought the parts to convert to LED turn sigs and emergency
>>>flashers, along with sequential taillights. I considered a third
>>>taillight but nixed it. The LEDs and Xenon headlamps will be brighter
>>>than the old bulbs.

>>
>>
>> Been looking at rigging up something on mine too. I figure I may just add
>> two more bulbs per side ( the '67's having a much larger taillight can than
>> the '65) use 2067's for added brightness.
>>
>>>Have not figured out where I'll go next... 65 Ford truck, or Factory 5
>>>Cobra. Who needs retirement money anyway.....
>>>
>>>Only 4 pages of things to go.... LOL

>>
>>
>> Makes you wanna die just for the rest.....;^) StuK
>>
>> ThunderSnake #11
>>

>
>I hope you get the angle thing solved with the motor... I'll stay tuned.


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Old 03-20-2005, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:33:01 -0500, "STUK" <BLOODYBRIGAND@TREBEK.COM>
wrote:

>
>"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
>news:o31q3150e0at2p9i9sjm9tr1n7o5nk9ns2@4ax.com...
>> No problemo... just thought I'd offer if it might be of help.
>>
>> Yeah, I lucked out in that the switch for the 65 and the F-150s are
>> the same except for shaft length. I hated the thought of installing
>> one of those ugly jc Whitney aftermarket boxes under the dash.
>> Intermittent is so important and yet finding a simple aftermarket
>> system isn't. Seems like you can get any upgrade right off the shelf
>> except that.

>
>I've been around wires all my life so reading a schematic and cobbling up a
>system is no big deal.
>>
>> And one of my fave places is Rte 1 on the California coast where you
>> can drive in and out of patches of fog. With the old wipers I'd be
>> wearing out the switch every time I turned around.

>
>Hard to believe looking back that cars didn't have them along time ago. A
>friend has a 1964 Mercury Meteor with a one speed wiper and NO washer!!!
>>
>> Next step is to replace the washer bag with something which holds a
>> bit more so I won't have to refill it so often. Thought about running
>> a hose from my house, but figured I'd be in trouble about the time I
>> passed the mail box... Just wasn't sure if I'd rip the spigot off the
>> side of the house or rip the whole front end off the car.

>
> I've been contemplating what to do on mine too. Obviously an aftermarket
>inline pump on the larger plastic reservoir would be a way to go. The other
>thought I had was to use the '88 resevoir that goes under the fender. I have
>no issues Greenleeing a big hole in my inner fender but again it might scare
>away those who want to keep their mods "reversible"


Think I'm gonna try a larger reservoir. Gotta beat the baggie.
>
>>
>> Just bought the parts to convert to LED turn sigs and emergency
>> flashers, along with sequential taillights. I considered a third
>> taillight but nixed it. The LEDs and Xenon headlamps will be brighter
>> than the old bulbs.

>
>Been looking at rigging up something on mine too. I figure I may just add
>two more bulbs per side ( the '67's having a much larger taillight can than
>the '65) use 2067's for added brightness.


check out www.mustangproject.com they have the 64.5, Shelbys, etc
covered with their LED kits.
>>
>> Have not figured out where I'll go next... 65 Ford truck, or Factory 5
>> Cobra. Who needs retirement money anyway.....
>>
>> Only 4 pages of things to go.... LOL

>
>Makes you wanna die just for the rest.....;^) StuK


Die of starvation after spending all my loot on the car. But, no
spouse anymore, so I only have to take care of the dog. Unfortunately,
IRS, and the rest still won't recognize her as a legal dependent.
>
>ThunderSnake #11
>
>
>


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Old 03-22-2005, 22:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

What kind of car are you installing wiper delay on? Sounds like you're doing
it the hard way. :)

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"STUK" <BLOODYBRIGAND@TREBEK.COM> wrote in message
news:X4Odne98ncNENKHfRVn-1Q@golden.net...
> Well, I managed to mock up the wiper assy today before damp inclement
> weather drove me indoors. The system as a whole works however there are
> some challenges to face. I figured the parking angle would be an issue so
> I removed both arms after installing the motor. I installed the internal
> wiper arms onto the bellcrank and installed one arm.in the park position.
> I fired up the beast with a spare battery and to my chagrin it went
> backwards first scraping on the cowl then forward to and parked at about a
> 45 degree angle. hmmmm? I reinstalled the arm at the "proper" 45 degree
> park position to save my cowl then set about analyzing the problem.
> Basically the motor position needs to be changed so that it puts the
> bellcrank in the "stock" 67 position when parked. This is really a
> function of the position of the '88's drive shaft orientation as compared
> to the '67's. It appears to be 45 degrees different. I have two possible
> solutions. One is to physically move the motor mounting 45 degrees or see
> if the shaft can be moved internally. The latter is most likely not
> possible as the gear/shaft combo is probably "fool proof" and is keyed to
> orient the slip rings to allow the intermittent and park functions to
> work.
> I'll keep you updated when it is functioning....Back to the drawing board
> ;^) StruK
>
> ThunderSnake #11
>
>
>



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Old 03-23-2005, 15:01   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Intermittent wiper update

'67 Mustang using parts from an '88 Mustang and an '86 Tempo.

If the easy way is to open my wallet you need to know I've got a lot of
Scots in my DNA. THE hardest thing is for me to open my wallet! Besides
there's nothing but moths in there anyway. ;^) StuK

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"Mark C." <mustango656@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> What kind of car are you installing wiper delay on? Sounds like you're
> doing it the hard way. :)
>
> --
> Mark
> --
> I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who once said, "I drank
> what?".
>
>
>
>
>
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