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Old 01-01-2006, 07:01   #1 (permalink)
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Well, without me realizing this until it was too late the local
officials predicted quite accurately that the industrial areas of
Sparks, Nevada would flood. Some of you who know of of me might know
that I'm the owner of a GT500KR and Nosey for one has seen it. I have
not written much lately (I'm lurking) as I now have someone else looking
for parts, etc for it. In fact it is 7 months and something very close
to 20 grand cash into a total professional restoration in you might have
guessed it, the industrial area of Sparks. It was in primer when seen
last about a week and a half ago. When my local news yesterday morning
showed me what was happening I quickly climbed in my 4x4 Ranger and
tried to get into the area. I abandoned my efforts when the water came
quite close to my floor boards about a half mile from the location I was
going after. My balls arent quite big enough to have taken and launched
the jet ski. Be about my luck to clog the pump with crap and lose the 3
seater. The business is maybe 200 yards from the riverbed so I probably
could have ran the streets (others had boats) slowly in it. Wouldnt have
mattered as I'm sure Bob wasnt there with the keys to his place.
Regardless I'm hoping the restorers knew what was happening and got the
thing out of there but I have little faith in that.
I hope to find out as soon at the sun comes up today but if the business
owner is there I expect to see the KR with water marks on it about 2-3
feet up from the shop floor. The freshly built 428 is also there on an
engine stand. Fortunately the C6 is in my garage.
One of the things that sucks is they found the original *no shit* sales
invoice from the sale of the car to my parents in 1969 among other
items. Those items were last seen in a box on the businesse's floor not
long ago along with a photo album with photos of paint and other unique
markings, etc that were shot on several rolls of film as the thing was
disassembled.
What sucks for the business owner is my car is one of many on his floor
and he has been talking of relocating the shop *a lot* lately but hasnt
done it. I'm sure hindsight is biting him hard.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:01   #2 (permalink)
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Carl,

I just did a flood recovered 67 GT500 for a SAAC member in New
Orleans....He is the second owner and the car spent weeks (WEEKS)
underwater.......All new wiring, all new upholstery, saved the paint and
the mechanicals (awaiting the 4spd back from Dave Kees as we
speak).......Don't let it get you down, for as long as you still have
the car, it can be restored.......

TS#15

Carl wrote:
> Well, without me realizing this until it was too late the local
> officials predicted quite accurately that the industrial areas of
> Sparks, Nevada would flood. Some of you who know of of me might know
> that I'm the owner of a GT500KR and Nosey for one has seen it. I have
> not written much lately (I'm lurking) as I now have someone else looking
> for parts, etc for it. In fact it is 7 months and something very close
> to 20 grand cash into a total professional restoration in you might have
> guessed it, the industrial area of Sparks. It was in primer when seen
> last about a week and a half ago. When my local news yesterday morning
> showed me what was happening I quickly climbed in my 4x4 Ranger and
> tried to get into the area. I abandoned my efforts when the water came
> quite close to my floor boards about a half mile from the location I was
> going after. My balls arent quite big enough to have taken and launched
> the jet ski. Be about my luck to clog the pump with crap and lose the 3
> seater. The business is maybe 200 yards from the riverbed so I probably
> could have ran the streets (others had boats) slowly in it. Wouldnt have
> mattered as I'm sure Bob wasnt there with the keys to his place.
> Regardless I'm hoping the restorers knew what was happening and got the
> thing out of there but I have little faith in that.
> I hope to find out as soon at the sun comes up today but if the business
> owner is there I expect to see the KR with water marks on it about 2-3
> feet up from the shop floor. The freshly built 428 is also there on an
> engine stand. Fortunately the C6 is in my garage.
> One of the things that sucks is they found the original *no shit* sales
> invoice from the sale of the car to my parents in 1969 among other
> items. Those items were last seen in a box on the businesse's floor not
> long ago along with a photo album with photos of paint and other unique
> markings, etc that were shot on several rolls of film as the thing was
> disassembled.
> What sucks for the business owner is my car is one of many on his floor
> and he has been talking of relocating the shop *a lot* lately but hasnt
> done it. I'm sure hindsight is biting him hard.

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Old 01-01-2006, 11:01   #3 (permalink)
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In article <1yRtf.5683$nj1.4957@fe06.lga>, Carl <carl@nospam.net> wrote:

> Well, without me realizing this until it was too late the local
> officials predicted quite accurately that the industrial areas of
> Sparks, Nevada would flood. Some of you who know of of me might know
> that I'm the owner of a GT500KR and Nosey for one has seen it. I have
> not written much lately (I'm lurking) as I now have someone else looking
> for parts, etc for it. In fact it is 7 months and something very close
> to 20 grand cash into a total professional restoration in you might have
> guessed it, the industrial area of Sparks. It was in primer when seen
> last about a week and a half ago. When my local news yesterday morning
> showed me what was happening I quickly climbed in my 4x4 Ranger and
> tried to get into the area. I abandoned my efforts when the water came
> quite close to my floor boards about a half mile from the location I was
> going after. My balls arent quite big enough to have taken and launched
> the jet ski. Be about my luck to clog the pump with crap and lose the 3
> seater. The business is maybe 200 yards from the riverbed so I probably
> could have ran the streets (others had boats) slowly in it. Wouldnt have
> mattered as I'm sure Bob wasnt there with the keys to his place.
> Regardless I'm hoping the restorers knew what was happening and got the
> thing out of there but I have little faith in that.
> I hope to find out as soon at the sun comes up today but if the business
> owner is there I expect to see the KR with water marks on it about 2-3
> feet up from the shop floor. The freshly built 428 is also there on an
> engine stand. Fortunately the C6 is in my garage.
> One of the things that sucks is they found the original *no shit* sales
> invoice from the sale of the car to my parents in 1969 among other
> items. Those items were last seen in a box on the businesse's floor not
> long ago along with a photo album with photos of paint and other unique
> markings, etc that were shot on several rolls of film as the thing was
> disassembled.
> What sucks for the business owner is my car is one of many on his floor
> and he has been talking of relocating the shop *a lot* lately but hasnt
> done it. I'm sure hindsight is biting him hard.


Wow, that sucks. What caused the flood? When is it expected to
subside? Maybe the owner had time to put it on a lift? Didn't you have
an engine part for sale? Keep us informed.

CobraJet

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Old 01-01-2006, 15:01   #4 (permalink)
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Carl wrote:
> Well, without me realizing this until it was too late the local
> officials predicted quite accurately that the industrial areas of
> Sparks, Nevada would flood. Some of you who know of of me might know
> that I'm the owner of a GT500KR and Nosey for one has seen it. I have
> not written much lately (I'm lurking) as I now have someone else looking
> for parts, etc for it. In fact it is 7 months and something very close
> to 20 grand cash into a total professional restoration in you might have
> guessed it, the industrial area of Sparks. It was in primer when seen
> last about a week and a half ago. When my local news yesterday morning
> showed me what was happening I quickly climbed in my 4x4 Ranger and
> tried to get into the area. I abandoned my efforts when the water came
> quite close to my floor boards about a half mile from the location I was
> going after. My balls arent quite big enough to have taken and launched
> the jet ski. Be about my luck to clog the pump with crap and lose the 3
> seater. The business is maybe 200 yards from the riverbed so I probably
> could have ran the streets (others had boats) slowly in it. Wouldnt have
> mattered as I'm sure Bob wasnt there with the keys to his place.
> Regardless I'm hoping the restorers knew what was happening and got the
> thing out of there but I have little faith in that.
> I hope to find out as soon at the sun comes up today but if the business
> owner is there I expect to see the KR with water marks on it about 2-3
> feet up from the shop floor. The freshly built 428 is also there on an
> engine stand. Fortunately the C6 is in my garage.
> One of the things that sucks is they found the original *no shit* sales
> invoice from the sale of the car to my parents in 1969 among other
> items. Those items were last seen in a box on the businesse's floor not
> long ago along with a photo album with photos of paint and other unique
> markings, etc that were shot on several rolls of film as the thing was
> disassembled.
> What sucks for the business owner is my car is one of many on his floor
> and he has been talking of relocating the shop *a lot* lately but hasnt
> done it. I'm sure hindsight is biting him hard.


Ouch. I hope things are better than you hope. Sorry to hear that.
Good thing the 428 and the trans are high and dry. Best of luck with
it; please keep us apprised of what happens.

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Old 01-02-2006, 12:01   #5 (permalink)
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got in yesterday evening from about 5 hours of helping the business
owner muck his shop out. the wall showed 22" of water. i'm lucky.....the
kr is stripped and the unloaded suspension made it ride just high enough
that the water just came over the door openings and barely touched the
bottom of the trash bag covering the 428. he arranged for a high
pressure washer and they washed the body. i'm ok with it. the boxes of
paperwork, pictures, etc according to bob didnt get moved and are wet. i
just didnt feel like looking but i'll probably run down there tomorrow
and dry what i can.
there is a white mustang what looks to be about a '66 convertible very
near completion that will have to have the interior stripped. there are
other examples that i wont bore you with but the bottom line is i was
lucky. it sucks to have most likely lost the photo record,the original
sales invoice and all the restoration materials i loaned him but it
could have been worse. others are in far worse shape than i. a question
i'll have to ask in the next few days (in my opinion he has more
important stuff right now even though what i have is his prized project)
is the location and condition of my upholstery. those items are at some
external upholstery shop somewhere.
someone asked about why the flood......we had 2 days of pretty hard
rains from a pacific storm that dumped on us.
as i write this (monday morning) it's snowing pretty hard.
cp

Wound Up wrote:

>
> Ouch. I hope things are better than you hope. Sorry to hear that.

Good thing the 428 and the trans are high and dry. Best of luck with
it; please keep us apprised of what happens.
>

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Old 01-02-2006, 12:01   #6 (permalink)
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joe wrote:
> got in yesterday evening from about 5 hours of helping the business
> owner muck his shop out. the wall showed 22" of water. i'm lucky.....the
> kr is stripped and the unloaded suspension made it ride just high enough
> that the water just came over the door openings and barely touched the
> bottom of the trash bag covering the 428. he arranged for a high
> pressure washer and they washed the body. i'm ok with it. the boxes of
> paperwork, pictures, etc according to bob didnt get moved and are wet. i
> just didnt feel like looking but i'll probably run down there tomorrow
> and dry what i can.
> there is a white mustang what looks to be about a '66 convertible very
> near completion that will have to have the interior stripped. there are
> other examples that i wont bore you with but the bottom line is i was
> lucky. it sucks to have most likely lost the photo record,the original
> sales invoice and all the restoration materials i loaned him but it
> could have been worse. others are in far worse shape than i. a question
> i'll have to ask in the next few days (in my opinion he has more
> important stuff right now even though what i have is his prized project)
> is the location and condition of my upholstery. those items are at some
> external upholstery shop somewhere.
> someone asked about why the flood......we had 2 days of pretty hard
> rains from a pacific storm that dumped on us.
> as i write this (monday morning) it's snowing pretty hard.
> cp
>
> Wound Up wrote:
>
>>
>> Ouch. I hope things are better than you hope. Sorry to hear that.

>
> Good thing the 428 and the trans are high and dry. Best of luck with
> it; please keep us apprised of what happens.
>
>>

From experience, get the box of paperwork as soon as possible. Before
it dries out at all. Carefully peel the paperwork apart sheet by sheet
and lay it out flat on wax paper to air dry. Do not put it in the sun or
near a heating unit of any kind, just allow it to dry naturally. While
the paperwork will be crisp to the touch afterwards, it will be better
than if you let it dry in a clump and then tried to separate each page
from one another.


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Old 01-02-2006, 14:01   #7 (permalink)
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joe wrote:
> got in yesterday evening from about 5 hours of helping the business
> owner muck his shop out. the wall showed 22" of water. i'm lucky.....the
> kr is stripped and the unloaded suspension made it ride just high enough
> that the water just came over the door openings and barely touched the
> bottom of the trash bag covering the 428. he arranged for a high
> pressure washer and they washed the body. i'm ok with it. the boxes of
> paperwork, pictures, etc according to bob didnt get moved and are wet. i
> just didnt feel like looking but i'll probably run down there tomorrow
> and dry what i can.


Good deal on the KR and the engine. I'm sure you're quite relieved.
Too bad on the boxes and stuff. Once again I hope you find a better
situation than you expect.

> there is a white mustang what looks to be about a '66 convertible very
> near completion that will have to have the interior stripped. there are
> other examples that i wont bore you with but the bottom line is i was
> lucky. it sucks to have most likely lost the photo record,the original
> sales invoice and all the restoration materials i loaned him but it
> could have been worse. others are in far worse shape than i. a question
> i'll have to ask in the next few days (in my opinion he has more
> important stuff right now even though what i have is his prized project)
> is the location and condition of my upholstery. those items are at some
> external upholstery shop somewhere.


Yeah, I'd say you came out OK. I hate to hear about this stuff. Until
Bill S. mentioned it, I hadn't really thought of all the submerged,
irreplaceable classic cars (among many other things) in NO. The human
toll is sickening, but it is tragic on many, many levels.

> someone asked about why the flood......we had 2 days of pretty hard
> rains from a pacific storm that dumped on us.
> as i write this (monday morning) it's snowing pretty hard.
> cp


I didn't exactly know where you were, but I was aware of that storm.
Best of luck with the rest of it!

Why "joe"?

>
> Wound Up wrote:
>
>>
>> Ouch. I hope things are better than you hope. Sorry to hear that.

>
> Good thing the 428 and the trans are high and dry. Best of luck with
> it; please keep us apprised of what happens.
>
>>



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Old 01-03-2006, 02:01   #8 (permalink)
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"joe" is just the difference in setups between our desktop and laptop.
on the desktop i use my real name with the laptop setup slightly "joe"
anonymous as i used it for work travelling all over the west coast for
the past few months going from one wireless (motel) network to the next.
at home the desktop is fed via ether from a wireless router and the
laptop has a wireless adaptor so we can internet all over the house.
since i showed as joe that particular message came off of the laptop. i
hadnt thought to change the email settings but i will. i bailed that job
12/2.
like you, i hadnt stopped to consider the damage from katrina aside from
the impact to people and animals. there is so much more to that story.
i did see my power steering parts on the floor in the muck. those and
i'm thinking the rear end will have to be *re* disassembled. damn...it
seems like i have done that once already haha
i'm thinking the rear end vent hose wasnt in place and i expect water
weeped in. no biggie.
just as long as it makes this years hot august nights event in reno!
thanks for the suggestion on the paperwork.....i'll do that tomorrow.
carl

Wound Up wrote:
> joe wrote:
>
>> got in yesterday evening from about 5 hours of helping the business
>> owner muck his shop out. the wall showed 22" of water. i'm lucky.....the
>> kr is stripped and the unloaded suspension made it ride just high enough
>> that the water just came over the door openings and barely touched the
>> bottom of the trash bag covering the 428. he arranged for a high
>> pressure washer and they washed the body. i'm ok with it. the boxes of
>> paperwork, pictures, etc according to bob didnt get moved and are wet. i
>> just didnt feel like looking but i'll probably run down there tomorrow
>> and dry what i can.

>
>
> Good deal on the KR and the engine. I'm sure you're quite relieved. Too
> bad on the boxes and stuff. Once again I hope you find a better
> situation than you expect.
>
>> there is a white mustang what looks to be about a '66 convertible very
>> near completion that will have to have the interior stripped. there are
>> other examples that i wont bore you with but the bottom line is i was
>> lucky. it sucks to have most likely lost the photo record,the original
>> sales invoice and all the restoration materials i loaned him but it
>> could have been worse. others are in far worse shape than i. a question
>> i'll have to ask in the next few days (in my opinion he has more
>> important stuff right now even though what i have is his prized project)
>> is the location and condition of my upholstery. those items are at some
>> external upholstery shop somewhere.

>
>
> Yeah, I'd say you came out OK. I hate to hear about this stuff. Until
> Bill S. mentioned it, I hadn't really thought of all the submerged,
> irreplaceable classic cars (among many other things) in NO. The human
> toll is sickening, but it is tragic on many, many levels.
>
>> someone asked about why the flood......we had 2 days of pretty hard
>> rains from a pacific storm that dumped on us.
>> as i write this (monday morning) it's snowing pretty hard.
>> cp

>
>
> I didn't exactly know where you were, but I was aware of that storm.
> Best of luck with the rest of it!
>
> Why "joe"?
>
>>
>> Wound Up wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ouch. I hope things are better than you hope. Sorry to hear that.

>>
>>
>> Good thing the 428 and the trans are high and dry. Best of luck with
>> it; please keep us apprised of what happens.
>>
>>>

>
>

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Old 01-03-2006, 02:01   #9 (permalink)
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the part that is for sale is an edelbrock performer rpm manifold for
390-428.
it's still for sale. make offer if interested. it has under an hour's
run time on it.

cut-n-paste from the edelbrock catalog:
Designed for high-performance street 390-406-410-427-428 c.i.d. Ford FE
V8s with standard 390-428 c.i.d., 427 low/medium-rise or Edelbrock
Performer RPM FE heads. The dual-plane constant cross-sectional area
design builds low and mid-range acceleration while optimized runner
paths make exceptional top-end hp. Has provision for adding the PCV or
breather flange at rear. No exhaust crossover passage.
Performer RPM FE(non-EGR)..........P/N #7105

the guy doing the resto wants to run all the stock stuff. me?? i didnt
feel like buying a $300 set of smog tubes and at that point i was sick
and tired of refurbishing crap and the box of emission equipment looked
like something i could blow off so i said screw this and bought the
aluminum manifold. me and that 100 pound POS cast iron stock intake have
not had a good relationshiop historically anyway. in the end the smog
tubes will be bought and the box of emissions shit will be reworked. dammit

>
> Wow, that sucks. What caused the flood? When is it expected to
> subside? Maybe the owner had time to put it on a lift? Didn't you have
> an engine part for sale? Keep us informed.
>
> CobraJet
>

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Old 01-03-2006, 09:02   #10 (permalink)
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In article <rOruf.875$%G7.721@fe02.lga>, Carl <carl@nospam.net> wrote:

> the part that is for sale is an edelbrock performer rpm manifold for
> 390-428.
> it's still for sale. make offer if interested. it has under an hour's
> run time on it.


I'd be interested but I should direct John to this intake for his
upcoming build. The RPM is good out of the box, but the general
consensus is that some port massage wakes it up even more. Unless he
wants to go to something exotic, this is the ticket. Let's see what he
says.

>
> cut-n-paste from the edelbrock catalog:
> Designed for high-performance street 390-406-410-427-428 c.i.d. Ford FE
> V8s with standard 390-428 c.i.d., 427 low/medium-rise or Edelbrock
> Performer RPM FE heads. The dual-plane constant cross-sectional area
> design builds low and mid-range acceleration while optimized runner
> paths make exceptional top-end hp. Has provision for adding the PCV or
> breather flange at rear. No exhaust crossover passage.
> Performer RPM FE(non-EGR)..........P/N #7105
>
> the guy doing the resto wants to run all the stock stuff. me?? i didnt
> feel like buying a $300 set of smog tubes and at that point i was sick
> and tired of refurbishing crap and the box of emission equipment looked
> like something i could blow off so i said screw this and bought the
> aluminum manifold. me and that 100 pound POS cast iron stock intake have
> not had a good relationshiop historically anyway. in the end the smog
> tubes will be bought and the box of emissions shit will be reworked. dammit


The stock CJ intake (feels like 100 lbs, is really 76 on the scale)
is actually one of the best-flowing pieces around. The RPM has more
potential, but a *regular* Edelbrock Performer will actually lose power
up against the CJ.

CobraJet

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