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Old 01-06-2006, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
Bill Beyer
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I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
basic outline:

"Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
it?"

These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have big
block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the street
regularly.

These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.

The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for extreme
power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.

Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere in
the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out there
that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah and
do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.

Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not many
people have and lived long enough to tell.

Lord these fools do try my patience!

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Old 01-06-2006, 17:01   #2 (permalink)
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:18:56 -0800, "Bill Beyer"
<bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote:

>I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
>series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
>basic outline:
>
>"Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
>amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
>want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
>it?"
>
>These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have big
>block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the street
>regularly.
>
>These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
>what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
>the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>
>The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
>of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
>minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for extreme
>power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
>order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>
>Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere in
>the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out there
>that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
>bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah and
>do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>
>Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not many
>people have and lived long enough to tell.
>
>Lord these fools do try my patience!

You find this in all walks of life... for example....
A friend won a major dart tourney in Denver many years ago, and used
the money to put down on the purchase of a moderate house in a Denver
suburb. We're taking in the neighborhood of 2600 sq ft. Our boss
overheard part of our conversation and jumped in with a description of
his 100,000 sq ft house in Oklahoma City. The guy was a Master
Sergeant in the USAF. When Rick pressed him about the size of the
house, he said he misspoke... that it was only 75,000 sq ft. Rick
asked if he had any idea how big that would be. He downscaled it
again. We had him down to 10,000 sq ft when we just gave up. It was
the end of the day and the bar was now open... and that took
precedence.... : 0 ) LOL
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Old 01-06-2006, 18:01   #3 (permalink)
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In article <INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>, Bill Beyer
<bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote:

> I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> basic outline:
>
> "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> it?"
>
> These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have big
> block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the street
> regularly.
>
> These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>
> The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for extreme
> power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>
> Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere in
> the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out there
> that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah and
> do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>
> Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not many
> people have and lived long enough to tell.
>
> Lord these fools do try my patience!


I've been watching the N54 FE and 385 spots a bit more lately. My
impression is that those forums are starting to look exactly like RAMFM
a few years ago. Think about it. They started with a core group of
serious enthusiasts that kept things on-topic. Then things started
loosening up the off-topic stuff started up, and with it some flaming.
Then, as the popularity spreads, the dorks such as those you have
mentioned come out of the woodwork. This, in turn, has silenced some of
the old guard, and they tend to yak amongst themselves, leaving clubie
questions to the neophytes.

Yes, we are witnessing a repetition of history. You have a choice.
You can either disregard them totally and let the seasoned vets pick
and choose with whom they care to converse, or you can do what we used
to here. That would be pin the person down as to what *exactly* is his
budget ("minimum" means nothing) and intended purpose, and take it from
there.

There will always be the clubie faction. Within that faction there
will be ones that really want to learn, and the others who might as
well be driving one of those $2000 "355" Shivvies that runs 10's in
their '76 Camaros.

CobraJet
>
> --
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>
>


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Old 01-06-2006, 19:01   #4 (permalink)
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In article <060120061758506117%coiled@basking.hiss>, CobraJet
<coiled@basking.hiss> wrote:

> In article <INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>, Bill Beyer
> <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote:
>
> > I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> > series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> > basic outline:
> >
> > "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> > amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> > want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> > it?"
> >
> > These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have big
> > block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the street
> > regularly.
> >
> > These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> > what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> > the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
> >
> > The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> > of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> > minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for extreme
> > power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> > order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
> >
> > Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere in
> > the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out there
> > that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> > bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah and
> > do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
> >
> > Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not many
> > people have and lived long enough to tell.
> >
> > Lord these fools do try my patience!

>
> I've been watching the N54 FE and 385 spots a bit more lately. My
> impression is that those forums are starting to look exactly like RAMFM
> a few years ago. Think about it. They started with a core group of
> serious enthusiasts that kept things on-topic. Then things started
> loosening up the off-topic stuff started up, and with it some flaming.
> Then, as the popularity spreads, the dorks such as those you have
> mentioned come out of the woodwork. This, in turn, has silenced some of
> the old guard, and they tend to yak amongst themselves, leaving clubie
> questions to the neophytes.
>
> Yes, we are witnessing a repetition of history. You have a choice.
> You can either disregard them totally and let the seasoned vets pick
> and choose with whom they care to converse, or you can do what we used
> to here. That would be pin the person down as to what *exactly* is his
> budget ("minimum" means nothing) and intended purpose, and take it from
> there.
>
> There will always be the clubie faction. Within that faction there
> will be ones that really want to learn, and the others who might as
> well be driving one of those $2000 "355" Shivvies that runs 10's in
> their '76 Camaros.
>
> CobraJet


I forgot to add: I just recently observed a good old fashioned
single-post troll in one of the groups that suckered in a load of guys,
none of whom it appears has had much experience with said beast. I was
laughing at the thread. Yep, RAMFM lives on.

> >
> > --
> > TS#10
> >
> >


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Old 01-07-2006, 15:01   #5 (permalink)
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So Bill, here's a related question then, just to satisfy my curiosity and
ignorance, without browsing through some dedicated 385 series forums. What
kind of HP can be made with a stock head 460, for a drivable street car? My
hypothetical parameters would be single 4V carb, ported stock heads, larger
valves if needed, cam with under .600" lift and 240 duration, 9.5:1 CR or
lower, prepped stock rods with good bolts, prepped stock crank.

I realize that some of the factory heads are real dogs. For this fantasy
build, assume that I could get my hands on a set of D0VE heads, or whichever
are decent for a buildup. Are we talking 450 (ish) horsepower? Or does it
just make more sense to pop for the aftermarket heads like the CJs or
Edelbrocks? Will a 460 as described above survive a 125 or 150 shot of
nitrous, assuming forged pistons, and a proper tune for the nitrous?

Some day I'd like to do a 460 buildup, but I'm not sure what sort of vehicle
I'd like to have it in. LOL


cheers
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"Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
news:INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> basic outline:
>
> "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> it?"
>
> These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have

big
> block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the

street
> regularly.
>
> These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>
> The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for

extreme
> power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>
> Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere

in
> the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out

there
> that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah

and
> do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>
> Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not

many
> people have and lived long enough to tell.
>
> Lord these fools do try my patience!
>
> --
> TS#10
>
>



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Old 01-07-2006, 16:01   #6 (permalink)
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"fast Ed" <fast_ed@spamania.ca> wrote in message
news:T8Wvf.3705$H37.579924@news20.bellglobal.com...
> So Bill, here's a related question then, just to satisfy my curiosity and
> ignorance, without browsing through some dedicated 385 series forums.

What
> kind of HP can be made with a stock head 460, for a drivable street car?

My
> hypothetical parameters would be single 4V carb, ported stock heads,

larger
> valves if needed, cam with under .600" lift and 240 duration, 9.5:1 CR or
> lower, prepped stock rods with good bolts, prepped stock crank.
>
> I realize that some of the factory heads are real dogs. For this fantasy
> build, assume that I could get my hands on a set of D0VE heads, or

whichever
> are decent for a buildup. Are we talking 450 (ish) horsepower? Or does

it
> just make more sense to pop for the aftermarket heads like the CJs or
> Edelbrocks? Will a 460 as described above survive a 125 or 150 shot of
> nitrous, assuming forged pistons, and a proper tune for the nitrous?
>
> Some day I'd like to do a 460 buildup, but I'm not sure what sort of

vehicle
> I'd like to have it in. LOL
>
>
> cheers
> TS # 27
> --
> Ed Nicholson


Even with unmodified C9VE or D0VE heads you could build a very respectable,
streetable 460 and with a basic, hyd lifter cam like you described of .550
lift and around 300 deg adv duration you're looking at a peak HP of around
435. Torque on the beast would outrageous peaking out at over 480 but with a
flat curve that was well over 400 at 2K RPM.

Ported heads are worth another 20-30 HP so figure this to be a very
streetable combo with stump pulling torque and a redline of around 6000. Put
it on the bottle and it'd be one scary mofo on the street.

A combination that Scott the Mad Porter over at Reincarnation Automotive put
together looks something like this:

429 or 460 short block. Factory passenger car conn rods..
C/R from 9.0 to 1 to 9.75 to 1
non ported D0VE-C iron heads
edelbrock performer intake with holley 750 vac secondary carb
Factory dura spark distributor 14 initial and 24 centrifugal for a total of
38 degrees timing.
Comp dual energy cam 206 / 218 @ .050" lift. .497" / .502" lift on a 112
LSA. You can substitute the XE256 H in the comps extreme energy line. Just
be carefull of C/R
Factory exhaust manifolds with duals 2 1/4" and H pipe.
160 degree t-stat
Dual snorkel air cleaner.
Factory rail rockers converted to be adjustable.

Test done with a 3 x 14" K&N aircleaner

Combo will require 89 to 92 octane pump gas depending on C/R
Chassis dyno numbers are 454 pound feet @ 1,500 RPM and 260 RWHP at 4,500

Ported heads are worth 20 HP as are headers. This is a high torque stump
pulling combo. A 460 engine can use the next larger cam the XE262h I built
this and drove it. It rocks...

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Old 01-07-2006, 18:01   #7 (permalink)
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Bill Beyer wrote:
> I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> basic outline:
>
> "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> it?"
>
> These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have big
> block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the street
> regularly.
>
> These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>
> The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for extreme
> power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>
> Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere in
> the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out there
> that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah and
> do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>
> Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not many
> people have and lived long enough to tell.
>
> Lord these fools do try my patience!
>
> --
> TS#10
>
>


A friend had a "modified" tube-chassis dirt track car that pumped out
over 700 hp. That thing was simply violent in its every action. It
produced hailstorm roostertails when it stalled. I asked if I could
take a little run down the street in it, and he respectfully declined,
fearing I might swap ends with a leeetle too much input, and end up in
someone's living room at 100 mph. He always did have better judgment
than I ...

FeWedge knows about what 700 hp is like is on the street. Topping third
in his gorgeous alum S/C clone, he said it still got a little loose on
him.

An old friend in CT has a blown '69 428 Ponnyack FireChicken (I think
this is the year), and it is in the 600 range. The tires he finally got
to STAY on would spin at over 100 mph, which scared him just a wee bit
once. "WHOOO man, almost died."

These people are idiots. Most people couldn't handle the factory-tuned
390hp & tq blown '03 Cobra properly, much less something with that much
juice.

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Old 01-07-2006, 19:01   #8 (permalink)
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In article <T8Wvf.3705$H37.579924@news20.bellglobal.com>, fast Ed
<fast_ed@spamania.ca> wrote:

> So Bill, here's a related question then, just to satisfy my curiosity and
> ignorance, without browsing through some dedicated 385 series forums. What
> kind of HP can be made with a stock head 460, for a drivable street car? My
> hypothetical parameters would be single 4V carb, ported stock heads, larger
> valves if needed, cam with under .600" lift and 240 duration, 9.5:1 CR or
> lower, prepped stock rods with good bolts, prepped stock crank.
>
> I realize that some of the factory heads are real dogs. For this fantasy
> build, assume that I could get my hands on a set of D0VE heads, or whichever
> are decent for a buildup. Are we talking 450 (ish) horsepower? Or does it
> just make more sense to pop for the aftermarket heads like the CJs or
> Edelbrocks? Will a 460 as described above survive a 125 or 150 shot of
> nitrous, assuming forged pistons, and a proper tune for the nitrous?
>
> Some day I'd like to do a 460 buildup, but I'm not sure what sort of vehicle
> I'd like to have it in. LOL


Hey, Ed, just look at Ford's crate engines for your frame of
reference. The couple of dyno checks I remember show Ford's rating to
be just a little low.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/bigblock.asp

Although Bill is right about some of the wannabes, there remains a
formidable number of guys with dyno slips showing 700 horsepower on up
with essentially repeatable combinations. Noen of it dirt cheap, but
still the best power for the buck. And there are a lot of them that
turn the numbers at the strip. Just look at the times Big Al is
relating.

Mine is the 460SVO short block with 10.5 pistons and the .588/.614
cam. Heads are ported D0VE with CJ valves and Crane aluminum rockers.
Intake will be the Weiand Stealth, and I think I will be choosing the
BIGS 950 HP carb for this. Headers are Hooker Super Comps.

All in all, a combo that the 385 considers a daily driver small
block. Should be fun regardless.

CobraJet

>
>
> cheers
> TS # 27
> --
> Ed Nicholson
>
> Super Coupe Club of Ontario : www.sccoa.com/sccoo
> SCCoA message boards : www.sccoa.com/forums
> Great Lakes Cougar Club : www.greatlakescougarclub.com
> Greater Toronto Area Mustang Club : www.gtamc.com
>
>
> "Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
> news:INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> > series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> > basic outline:
> >
> > "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> > amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> > want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> > it?"
> >
> > These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have

> big
> > block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the

> street
> > regularly.
> >
> > These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> > what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> > the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
> >
> > The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> > of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> > minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for

> extreme
> > power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> > order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
> >
> > Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere

> in
> > the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out

> there
> > that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> > bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah

> and
> > do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
> >
> > Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not

> many
> > people have and lived long enough to tell.
> >
> > Lord these fools do try my patience!
> >
> > --
> > TS#10
> >
> >

>
>


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Old 01-07-2006, 22:01   #9 (permalink)
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"Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
news:INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
> series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
> basic outline:
>
> "Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
> amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
> want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
> it?"
>
> These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have
> big
> block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the
> street
> regularly.
>
> These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
> what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
> the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>
> The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
> of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
> minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for
> extreme
> power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
> order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>
> Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere
> in
> the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out
> there
> that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
> bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah
> and
> do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>
> Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not
> many
> people have and lived long enough to tell.
>
> Lord these fools do try my patience!


Maybe one will come along that is worth mentoring?

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Old 01-07-2006, 23:01   #10 (permalink)
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John wrote:
> "Bill Beyer" <bill_beyer@excite.cXoYmZ> wrote in message
> news:INSdnWCmyNyjZyPenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com...
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>>I moderate a couple of webside boards one of which is devoted to Ford 385
>>series engines. On a regular basis there are posts which follow the same
>>basic outline:
>>
>>"Hey I've got a clapped out 429/460 that I want to get <insert obscene
>>amount of horsepower> out of that will be mostly a weekend play toy but I
>>want to drive it on the street. It needs to run on pump gas. How do I do
>>it?"
>>
>>These posts are inevitably followed by several morons who claim to have
>>big
>>block vehicles with ridiculous amounts of RWHP that they drive on the
>>street
>>regularly.
>>
>>These boobs clearly have no clue what kind of power they actually have or
>>what it takes to build an engine that will live long enough to get out of
>>the driveway while pumping out insane horsepower.
>>
>>The most recent request was some poor deluded soul who wanted 600 RWHP out
>>of a stock block 460 with D3VE heads while keeping his build price to a
>>minimum and driving it on the street. While I applaud his desire for
>>extreme
>>power as well as his choice of powerplant I had to dial my BBA way back in
>>order to keep from flaming his sorry ass.
>>
>>Does this guy really think he can build an engine that will be somewhere
>>in
>>the 700 HP range on a miniscule budget? C'mon, how many people are out
>>there
>>that can squeeze that kind of horsepower out of those heads and build a
>>bottom end that will live long enough to even break in the cam? Oh yeah
>>and
>>do it on a budget that would make Ebeneezer Scrooge seem generous.
>>
>>Has he ever driven a vehicle with that kind of power on the street? Not
>>many
>>people have and lived long enough to tell.
>>
>>Lord these fools do try my patience!

>
>
> Maybe one will come along that is worth mentoring?
>


John, always the bright side, you look at! Like Yoda, I speak. A fine
gent, you are.

And for everyone else - at LEAST 50% of the credit due to the recent
continuation of interest in this NG goes to John. I get 1 - 2%. CJ
gets whatever is left.

John came up with most of the ideas; I just did the grunt work of
implementing them. John has designs on further commercial endorsements,
a step further than I'd looked.

My na´vetÚ said this NG had enough juice left in it to sustain itself.
More educated points of view had all said it needs more.

Let's run the basics of your plans by the group again, shall we?

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