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Old 08-02-2005, 22:01   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Electric fans for early Mustangs

Regarding electric fans in early Stangs, these guys have one solution:
http://www.streetortrack.com/griffinfordearly.asp

Quote:

"These Mustang Griffin Radiators are direct stock bolt in - no cutting
or modifying your radiator support! If you require different
inlet/outlet placement or a custom size/shape made, please contact us -
we'll help you with a cooling solution no matter how big your motor or
how hard you drive it!

"Got a 65-66 car? Want more room to mount an electric fan? Ask about
our FREE custom mounting flange modification that will give you 1/2" -
3/4" more room! "

Not cheap, $440 w/o trans cooler, $500 with, plus the fan.

These guys came out with an all-in-one rad + fan several years ago
http://www.hotrodair.com/pg21a.cfm , probably the setup Wound Up was
remembering. Brass rad, fan and shroud. Not a huge amount of money,
$380 at this retailer
http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCa...ectric_fan.htm or
$270 for the fan and shroud alone, "Replaces Stock Fan for use with
1964-66 cars with 3 core radiators"
http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCa...a001.htmThanks for the
suggestions. Kind of expensive, but I'll look into these... gotta look into
either a better cable or a slave cylinder for my *(#&$ clutch first...
Other manufacturers have recently come out with high dollar alum rad +
fan kts, $1000 in the mags. Be Cool is one.

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Old 08-03-2005, 09:01   #2 (permalink)
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"Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message news:kLUHe.2448>
http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCa...a001.htmThanks for the
> suggestions. Kind of expensive, but I'll look into these... gotta look
> into either a better cable or a slave cylinder for my *(#&$ clutch
> first...
> Other manufacturers have recently come out with high dollar alum rad +
> fan kts, $1000 in the mags. Be Cool is one.
>
> 180 Out


All you need is a swivel at the pedal. Something like a "U" to go around the
arm with a hole for the cable. I would use as many stock parts as I could.
Lots of Mustangs came with clutch cables, hit some yards and see how the
factory did it and what parts you can use. Factory stuff is high quality.

About the radiator problem. After many years of doing this, the best fan set
up for the street is a shroud with a good thermostatic clutch fan. Better
than any electric fan I've seen. If you look at the factory electric fan set
ups the radiator is almost always large and thin.

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Old 08-04-2005, 17:01   #3 (permalink)
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"Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message news:kLUHe.2448>
> http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCa...a001.htmThanks for the
>> suggestions. Kind of expensive, but I'll look into these... gotta look
>> into either a better cable or a slave cylinder for my *(#&$ clutch
>> first...
>> Other manufacturers have recently come out with high dollar alum rad +
>> fan kts, $1000 in the mags. Be Cool is one.
>>
>> 180 Out

>
> All you need is a swivel at the pedal. Something like a "U" to go around
> the arm with a hole for the cable. I would use as many stock parts as I
> could. Lots of Mustangs came with clutch cables, hit some yards and see
> how the factory did it and what parts you can use. Factory stuff is high
> quality.


Yeah, I think you're right. The end at the fork busted twice, but has been
fine since it was so equipped. I just don't wanna call this guy again
because he literally makes fun of you while you pay him again. So, my
present thought is get an aircraft cable from the vendor Ken suggested, and
set the pedal up like the fork. I wonder what they'd want to fabricate a
cable...

> About the radiator problem. After many years of doing this, the best fan
> set up for the street is a shroud with a good thermostatic clutch fan.
> Better than any electric fan I've seen. If you look at the factory
> electric fan set ups the radiator is almost always large and thin.


That's what I have now, and it's the biggest fan I could fit in the shroud,
with a good thermo clutch. It soaks up torque but it definitely works. The
problem is of course at idle or in traffic. I'm using the stock water temp
gauge so I don't know what "5/8 to 3/4" equates to, a bit too hot I think.
Tom's oil cooler suggestion is a goodn. Maybe that would make the final bit
difference I've been trying to get. Pusher fan... just for aesthetics on an
early Mustang, I don't think so. Thanks for the input all.

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Old 08-04-2005, 20:01   #4 (permalink)
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"Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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> That's what I have now, and it's the biggest fan I could fit in the
> shroud, with a good thermo clutch. It soaks up torque but it definitely
> works. The problem is of course at idle or in traffic. I'm using the
> stock water temp gauge so I don't know what "5/8 to 3/4" equates to, a bit
> too hot I think. Tom's oil cooler suggestion is a goodn. Maybe that would
> make the final bit difference I've been trying to get. Pusher fan... just
> for aesthetics on an early Mustang, I don't think so. Thanks for the
> input all.
>
> --
> Wound Up


At idle or in slow traffic the engine is making low amounts of heat. Just
think about it, it's doing no work. Any good clutch fan will pull air at
idle, hot or cold. They have to, or they would not cool the AC condenser.
Add this to your thinking process.

Are you sure the timing is not retarded at idle? The best temperature gauge
is the coolant. If it's too hot, it comes out. If you are boiling a 50/50
mixture of anti-freeze and distilled water, and have a good radiator cap,
it's too damned hot.

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Old 08-04-2005, 20:01   #5 (permalink)
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> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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>> That's what I have now, and it's the biggest fan I could fit in the
>> shroud, with a good thermo clutch. It soaks up torque but it definitely
>> works. The problem is of course at idle or in traffic. I'm using the
>> stock water temp gauge so I don't know what "5/8 to 3/4" equates to, a
>> bit too hot I think. Tom's oil cooler suggestion is a goodn. Maybe that
>> would make the final bit difference I've been trying to get. Pusher
>> fan... just for aesthetics on an early Mustang, I don't think so. Thanks
>> for the input all.
>>
>> --
>> Wound Up

>
> At idle or in slow traffic the engine is making low amounts of heat. Just
> think about it, it's doing no work. Any good clutch fan will pull air at
> idle, hot or cold. They have to, or they would not cool the AC condenser.
> Add this to your thinking process.


I have but there's also the fact all the air it's pulling at that point is
very hot. I don't doubt you, I'm just reporting what I've seen with it. I
gotta pull the car off idle, to about 1000-1200 to pull enough air to drop
the temp. Maybe the clutch IS shot, but it otherwise seems to work fine.
I've had shot ones in OT cars. I know, what I'm saying definitely suggests
otherwise. It's just a parts store clutch, and I forget how old. Eight
years maybe, but not too many damned miles on it though.

>
> Are you sure the timing is not retarded at idle?


Yeah, 12 deg., full advance by 3000.

The best temperature gauge
> is the coolant. If it's too hot, it comes out. If you are boiling a 50/50
> mixture of anti-freeze and distilled water, and have a good radiator cap,
> it's too damned hot.


It used to pee some out when I pulled in the garage, or after I shut it off.
Before I put in the three-row, it would freaking sing with the steam coming
out of it. So I added the overflow cylinder. IT has never overflowed.
Still too freaking hot. The clutch -must be- shot then, right?

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Old 08-04-2005, 23:01   #6 (permalink)
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"Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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> "Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
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>> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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>>> That's what I have now, and it's the biggest fan I could fit in the
>>> shroud, with a good thermo clutch. It soaks up torque but it definitely
>>> works. The problem is of course at idle or in traffic. I'm using the
>>> stock water temp gauge so I don't know what "5/8 to 3/4" equates to, a
>>> bit too hot I think. Tom's oil cooler suggestion is a goodn. Maybe that
>>> would make the final bit difference I've been trying to get. Pusher
>>> fan... just for aesthetics on an early Mustang, I don't think so.
>>> Thanks for the input all.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wound Up

>>
>> At idle or in slow traffic the engine is making low amounts of heat. Just
>> think about it, it's doing no work. Any good clutch fan will pull air at
>> idle, hot or cold. They have to, or they would not cool the AC condenser.
>> Add this to your thinking process.

>
> I have but there's also the fact all the air it's pulling at that point is
> very hot. I don't doubt you, I'm just reporting what I've seen with it.
> I gotta pull the car off idle, to about 1000-1200 to pull enough air to
> drop the temp. Maybe the clutch IS shot, but it otherwise seems to work
> fine. I've had shot ones in OT cars. I know, what I'm saying definitely
> suggests otherwise. It's just a parts store clutch, and I forget how old.
> Eight years maybe, but not too many damned miles on it though.
>
>>
>> Are you sure the timing is not retarded at idle?

>
> Yeah, 12 deg., full advance by 3000.
>
> The best temperature gauge
>> is the coolant. If it's too hot, it comes out. If you are boiling a 50/50
>> mixture of anti-freeze and distilled water, and have a good radiator cap,
>> it's too damned hot.

>
> It used to pee some out when I pulled in the garage, or after I shut it
> off. Before I put in the three-row, it would freaking sing with the steam
> coming out of it. So I added the overflow cylinder. IT has never
> overflowed. Still too freaking hot. The clutch -must be- shot then,
> right?
>
> --
> Wound Up
> ThunderSnake #65


Easy to check. Cover half the radiator and let it get hot. If the fan don't
roar at 2,000 RPM when it gets hot, the clutch is shot. BTW: Some clutches
have no thermostatic spring in front, they are no good. Others have a flat
spring, IMHO, avoid them. You want one with the coil spring in front. If you
have one of these, you can pull the spring out of the clip at the outer edge
and manually turn the clutch on or off by moving the spring. In the old days
I always turned the fan off at the drags:)

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Old 08-05-2005, 09:01   #7 (permalink)
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AHA! You ARE reading my posts.

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Old 08-05-2005, 11:01   #8 (permalink)
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> AHA! You ARE reading my posts.


Recently I was waffling between Netscape and OE, and there is no KF in
Netscape. I read a few of yours at that time, then decided to de-KF you as
you were being generally pleasant-like and just talking cars. I think
neither of us wants to go another 15 rounds so I thought let bygones be
bygones. I don't really care what anyone else thinks, if they even have
opinions about it.

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> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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>> "Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Wound Up" <none@your.disposal.ask.me> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> That's what I have now, and it's the biggest fan I could fit in the
>>>> shroud, with a good thermo clutch. It soaks up torque but it
>>>> definitely works. The problem is of course at idle or in traffic. I'm
>>>> using the stock water temp gauge so I don't know what "5/8 to 3/4"
>>>> equates to, a bit too hot I think. Tom's oil cooler suggestion is a
>>>> goodn. Maybe that would make the final bit difference I've been trying
>>>> to get. Pusher fan... just for aesthetics on an early Mustang, I don't
>>>> think so. Thanks for the input all.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wound Up
>>>
>>> At idle or in slow traffic the engine is making low amounts of heat.
>>> Just think about it, it's doing no work. Any good clutch fan will pull
>>> air at idle, hot or cold. They have to, or they would not cool the AC
>>> condenser. Add this to your thinking process.

>>
>> I have but there's also the fact all the air it's pulling at that point
>> is very hot. I don't doubt you, I'm just reporting what I've seen with
>> it. I gotta pull the car off idle, to about 1000-1200 to pull enough air
>> to drop the temp. Maybe the clutch IS shot, but it otherwise seems to
>> work fine. I've had shot ones in OT cars. I know, what I'm saying
>> definitely suggests otherwise. It's just a parts store clutch, and I
>> forget how old. Eight years maybe, but not too many damned miles on it
>> though.
>>
>>>
>>> Are you sure the timing is not retarded at idle?

>>
>> Yeah, 12 deg., full advance by 3000.
>>
>> The best temperature gauge
>>> is the coolant. If it's too hot, it comes out. If you are boiling a
>>> 50/50 mixture of anti-freeze and distilled water, and have a good
>>> radiator cap, it's too damned hot.

>>
>> It used to pee some out when I pulled in the garage, or after I shut it
>> off. Before I put in the three-row, it would freaking sing with the steam
>> coming out of it. So I added the overflow cylinder. IT has never
>> overflowed. Still too freaking hot. The clutch -must be- shot then,
>> right?
>>
>> --
>> Wound Up
>> ThunderSnake #65

>
> Easy to check. Cover half the radiator and let it get hot. If the fan
> don't roar at 2,000 RPM when it gets hot, the clutch is shot.


Thanks for the diagnostic tip. Easy enough!

BTW: Some clutches
> have no thermostatic spring in front, they are no good. Others have a flat
> spring, IMHO, avoid them. You want one with the coil spring in front. If
> you have one of these, you can pull the spring out of the clip at the
> outer edge and manually turn the clutch on or off by moving the spring. In
> the old days I always turned the fan off at the drags:)


Well I'll be a rotten slab of head cheese. I may have to do that when it
gets 30 and 40s out, or, when I finally stabilize my drivetrain and go to
the drags myself. Great advice. I have a flat spring. Gonna check it and
let you know. Fantastic.

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I have been using Mozilla Firefox and I recommend it. Speaking merely
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