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Old 01-13-2006, 11:02   #1 (permalink)
glenf
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460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better? What
about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads, spark
coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????


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Old 01-13-2006, 14:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

Talking about what would be "desirable in a motor home," I wouldn't even
consider a gas engine when I could have a diesel. The price premium up
front is several thousand dollars, but the durability, longevity, fuel
economy, and resale value should even things out over time.

CJB


"glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote in message
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>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
> exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?
> What
> about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,
> spark
> coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
> heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
> not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
>
>



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Old 01-13-2006, 14:01   #3 (permalink)
glenf
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

I would be inclined to agree with you, however we are downsizing from a
class "A" diesel pusher so that we can get into State Parks, BLM campgrounds
and other similar small parks and we will be buying a used rig. There just
aren't that many used Class "C" rigs with diesels running around. In
addition, with diesel fuel at a 15% premium in price and driving around
4,000/year, it takes a long time for th durability and longevity to kick in.
"CJB" <colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote in message
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> Talking about what would be "desirable in a motor home," I wouldn't even
> consider a gas engine when I could have a diesel. The price premium up
> front is several thousand dollars, but the durability, longevity, fuel
> economy, and resale value should even things out over time.
>
> CJB
>
>
> "glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote in message
> news:o0Sxf.7610$%W1.7088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
> > exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?
> > What
> > about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,
> > spark
> > coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
> > heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think,

would
> > not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
> >
> >

>
>



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Old 01-13-2006, 16:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

glenf wrote:
> I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
> exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better? What
> about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads, spark
> coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
> heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
> not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
>
>



V10 is a good engine if it is kept cool in a MH. It has higher
compression so in theory it should do a bit better on gas as all Ford
modern 460's have a low CR. LAso the V10 needs to wind up more to make
its power so it will need about one step deeper gearing than a like
powered MH with a 460 in it.

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Old 01-13-2006, 16:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

I disagree, a gas motor can be quite durable IF it is properly fed,
cooled and lubed. Also I question the resale value of a oil burner MH in
future because it is likely the diesel fuel will always be more than gas
and likely by more than a dollar at times. The only thing that saved
diesel prices this winter has been the warmer than normal winter
reducing oil demand for heating. If it had bee a cold winterm you would
still be paying well over $3/gal for the stuff.

CJB wrote:
> Talking about what would be "desirable in a motor home," I wouldn't even
> consider a gas engine when I could have a diesel. The price premium up
> front is several thousand dollars, but the durability, longevity, fuel
> economy, and resale value should even things out over time.
>
> CJB
>
>
> "glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote in message
> news:o0Sxf.7610$%W1.7088@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
>>exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?
>>What
>>about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,
>>spark
>>coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
>>heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
>>not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
>>
>>

>
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Old 01-13-2006, 23:04   #6 (permalink)
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"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> glenf wrote:
> > I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
> > exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?

What
> > about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,

spark
> > coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
> > heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think,

would
> > not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
> >
> >

>
>
> V10 is a good engine if it is kept cool in a MH. It has higher
> compression so in theory it should do a bit better on gas as all Ford
> modern 460's have a low CR. LAso the V10 needs to wind up more to make
> its power so it will need about one step deeper gearing than a like
> powered MH with a 460 in it.
>


V10 has a longer stroke than a 460. Why would it need to rev higher?

Al


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Old 01-14-2006, 06:02   #7 (permalink)
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Big Al wrote:
> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:XAWxf.7832$%W1.6570@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>glenf wrote:
>>
>>>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
>>>exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?

>
> What
>
>>>about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,

>
> spark
>
>>>coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
>>>heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think,

>
> would
>
>>>not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>V10 is a good engine if it is kept cool in a MH. It has higher
>>compression so in theory it should do a bit better on gas as all Ford
>>modern 460's have a low CR. LAso the V10 needs to wind up more to make
>>its power so it will need about one step deeper gearing than a like
>>powered MH with a 460 in it.
>>

>
>
> V10 has a longer stroke than a 460. Why would it need to rev higher?
>
> Al
>
>



Less displacement. HP is figured by taking "torque x RPM /5252". To get
higher HP rating with smaller engine that raise the RPM of its torque
curve to yeild a higher HP output from a small dispacement motor at a
higher RPM than a larger one. With turbo charged diesels you are in
effect increasing its effective displacement because you are paking more
air into cylinders (you could do same with a gas engine with correct
fuel) and making engine feel bigger than it is and hence more power
output because more air and fuel is burned with each cycle. It is the
heat energy from these cycles that drives the engine so with a small
engine, you have to have more of them per minute to obtain the same
output as a larger motor when all else is equal.

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Old 01-14-2006, 11:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:08:20 GMT, "glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote:

>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
>exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better? What
>about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads, spark
>coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
>heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
>not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????



I don't see any real problems. The V-10 is a decent motor, certainly
equivilant in durability to many of the older 460s. The only problem
I've seen mentioned frequently regarding the V-10 is the popping of
sparkplugs. This is a costly problem to fix and has occurred with
many. That being said though, the number is still very small when
compared to how many engines have actually been built. (This
potential problem was recently fixed when new cylinder heads were
added a year or two back.) As I recall, the early 99 and earlier
V-10s (which were mostly in vans and Class Cs) had other problems,
probably the wrist pin issue you mentioned. These problems surfaced
after several thousands of miles and you could potentially find one of
these in a motorhome that didn't get replaced under warranty.

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
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Old 01-14-2006, 14:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: 460 vs. V-10 in 26' motorhome?

Matt Mead wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:08:20 GMT, "glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
>>exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better? What
>>about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads, spark
>>coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
>>heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
>>not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????

>
>
>
> I don't see any real problems. The V-10 is a decent motor, certainly
> equivilant in durability to many of the older 460s. The only problem
> I've seen mentioned frequently regarding the V-10 is the popping of
> sparkplugs. This is a costly problem to fix and has occurred with
> many. That being said though, the number is still very small when
> compared to how many engines have actually been built. (This
> potential problem was recently fixed when new cylinder heads were
> added a year or two back.) As I recall, the early 99 and earlier
> V-10s (which were mostly in vans and Class Cs) had other problems,
> probably the wrist pin issue you mentioned. These problems surfaced
> after several thousands of miles and you could potentially find one of
> these in a motorhome that didn't get replaced under warranty.
>
> Matt
> 99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4



This popping of spark plugs was caused by improper plug torque causing
them to loosen up in some engines due to differing expantion rates in
the aluminum head and steel plugs. Ford changed the torque spec and the
plug design to "fix" the problem. If you have a older V10 just check the
plug torque every 5k miles or so (or oil change) and see if they have
loosend up any. If they have not after a few checks, do not bother
checking again until they are changed.

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Old 01-14-2006, 16:01   #10 (permalink)
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"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> Matt Mead wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:08:20 GMT, "glenf" <ccim@jps.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I had a 1988 460 with a C-6 that loved gas almost as much as it loved
>>>exhaust manifolds! Are the newer 460s with fuel injection any better?
>>>What
>>>about the V-10? I've heard of problems with wrist pins, warped heads,
>>>spark
>>>coils, etc. but they are supposed to get better fuel economy. I've also
>>>heard that the V-10 is a higher reving engine which, I would think, would
>>>not be desireable in a motorhome. Any thoughts?????????

>>
>>
>>
>> I don't see any real problems. The V-10 is a decent motor, certainly
>> equivilant in durability to many of the older 460s. The only problem
>> I've seen mentioned frequently regarding the V-10 is the popping of
>> sparkplugs. This is a costly problem to fix and has occurred with
>> many. That being said though, the number is still very small when
>> compared to how many engines have actually been built. (This
>> potential problem was recently fixed when new cylinder heads were
>> added a year or two back.) As I recall, the early 99 and earlier
>> V-10s (which were mostly in vans and Class Cs) had other problems,
>> probably the wrist pin issue you mentioned. These problems surfaced
>> after several thousands of miles and you could potentially find one of
>> these in a motorhome that didn't get replaced under warranty. Matt
>> 99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4

>
>
> This popping of spark plugs was caused by improper plug torque causing
> them to loosen up in some engines due to differing expantion rates in the
> aluminum head and steel plugs. Ford changed the torque spec and the plug
> design to "fix" the problem. If you have a older V10 just check the plug
> torque every 5k miles or so (or oil change) and see if they have loosend
> up any. If they have not after a few checks, do not bother checking again
> until they are changed.
>
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I have a 21' Motorhome 10,500 #'s It is a an '87. It has 200,000
Kilometres.(124,000 Miles) It uses NO oil between oil changes and gets 12
MPG(Imperial) on the Highway and 10 MPG overall.
Geoff.



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