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Old 01-26-2006, 10:01   #1 (permalink)
sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com
 
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finding actual dealer cost

Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
was?

SWS

 
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:01   #2 (permalink)
351CJ
 
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Re: finding actual dealer cost


<sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138292080.990575.9800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
> used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
> state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
> was?
>
> SWS




Not likely, but one thing for sure, is they don't resell them for free,
otherwise they just send them to the wholesaler... The only way to know for
sure would be to have a friend who works at that dealership tell you.
Generally dealerships will pay as little as they can for used cars and sell
them for as much as they can get for them.


 
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:01   #3 (permalink)
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> Not likely, but one thing for sure, is they don't resell them for free,
> otherwise they just send them to the wholesaler... The only way to know for
> sure would be to have a friend who works at that dealership tell you.
> Generally dealerships will pay as little as they can for used cars and sell
> them for as much as they can get for them.


They definitely don't sell them for free, you got that right - but
dealers typically pay far less for trade-ins than blue book and NADA,
too. Everytime I've bought or sold a car outright, the state required
the purchase price of the vehicle on the title to know how much to
tax....that purchase price should be available if one goes to the DMV
and does a title search for the car?

 
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Old 01-26-2006, 15:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: finding actual dealer cost

there are ways to find this-Consumer Reports, maybe other sources on the
internet.

if you talk really nice, the dealer might show you the invoice; i have had
them show me the invoice (actually had holdback dollars on it).

depends on how bad they want to sell the car at the time you want to buy it.
<sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
was?

SWS


 
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Old 01-26-2006, 18:01   #5 (permalink)
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"stevie" <sf@dum.org> wrote in message news:kdbCf.427$K%2.97@fe04.lga...
> there are ways to find this-Consumer Reports, maybe other sources on the
> internet.
>
> if you talk really nice, the dealer might show you the invoice; i have had
> them show me the invoice (actually had holdback dollars on it).


THERE IS NO INVOICE PRICE FOR A USED CAR! And no hold back dollars either.
Besides new car dealer invoice pricing is readily available for free from
multiple sources on the internet. You would do yourself a great service to
already have that dealer invoice pricing information in your possession
prior to talking to anyone at the dealership.
I always start at invoice pricing and work down. I ended up paying $3000
under dealer invoice price for my 2005 F-450.

>
> depends on how bad they want to sell the car at the time you want to buy
> it.
> <sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1138292080.990575.9800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
> used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
> state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
> was?
>
> SWS
>
>




 
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Old 01-26-2006, 19:01   #6 (permalink)
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sorry-i misread, thought he said new car.

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"stevie" <sf@dum.org> wrote in message news:kdbCf.427$K%2.97@fe04.lga...
> there are ways to find this-Consumer Reports, maybe other sources on the
> internet.
>
> if you talk really nice, the dealer might show you the invoice; i have had
> them show me the invoice (actually had holdback dollars on it).


THERE IS NO INVOICE PRICE FOR A USED CAR! And no hold back dollars either.
Besides new car dealer invoice pricing is readily available for free from
multiple sources on the internet. You would do yourself a great service to
already have that dealer invoice pricing information in your possession
prior to talking to anyone at the dealership.
I always start at invoice pricing and work down. I ended up paying $3000
under dealer invoice price for my 2005 F-450.

>
> depends on how bad they want to sell the car at the time you want to buy
> it.
> <sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1138292080.990575.9800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
> used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
> state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
> was?
>
> SWS
>
>





 
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Old 01-26-2006, 23:01   #7 (permalink)
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Figure about $3000 less than they're selling it to you for. That's what NADA
seems to indicate. Believe it or not, that's how they feed their families.
The only source of income they have is overcharging you. How would you like
that job? I'd starve.

<sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have a sure fire way to tell what the dealer paid for a
> used vehicle? If I were to do a title search on a car through the
> state DMV records office, would that indicate what their purchase price
> was?
>
> SWS
>



 
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: finding actual dealer cost

SWS <sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote:

Does anyone have a way to tell what the dealer paid
for a used vehicle? ....would a title search on a car
through the state DMV indicate the purchase price?
_____________________________________________

The price a dealer pays for a used car is not reported
to the DMV. The only way to know that price is to
have access to the dealer's accounting records.

Rodan.



 
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Old 01-27-2006, 15:01   #9 (permalink)
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Rodan wrote:
> SWS <sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a way to tell what the dealer paid
> for a used vehicle? ....would a title search on a car
> through the state DMV indicate the purchase price?
> _____________________________________________
>
> The price a dealer pays for a used car is not reported
> to the DMV. The only way to know that price is to
> have access to the dealer's accounting records.
>
> Rodan.


If the price a dealer pays to buy a car (like in a trade-in deal or
just outright purchase) isn't reported to the DMV, how does the state
know how much sales tax to charge the dealer for the sale?

 
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Old 01-27-2006, 16:01   #10 (permalink)
351CJ
 
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<sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Rodan wrote:
>> SWS <sceptimus_smith@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a way to tell what the dealer paid
>> for a used vehicle? ....would a title search on a car
>> through the state DMV indicate the purchase price?
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> The price a dealer pays for a used car is not reported
>> to the DMV. The only way to know that price is to
>> have access to the dealer's accounting records.
>>
>> Rodan.

>
> If the price a dealer pays to buy a car (like in a trade-in deal or
> just outright purchase) isn't reported to the DMV, how does the state
> know how much sales tax to charge the dealer for the sale?
>


Some states don't charge tax, like mine, so here it is an absolute non
issue.

Besides if your state does, that still in no way makes that information
"public information", or even proves any connection to the true dollar value
paid verses that value which was reported.

The only true way to know how much any given car dealer paid for any given
used car is to be privy to the details of that particular transaction.


 
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